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"BUSH WINS, DEMOCRACY LOSES "

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Tripleshot

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This is from an msnbc editorial by Eric Alterman,who is a columnist for The Nation and a regular contributor to MSNBC.


" The most infuriating aspect of the Supreme Court?s political intervention is the fact that even if it decides not to reverse the Florida court?s extremely tightly argued opinion, its tactical endorsement of a stay of the recount may decide the election anyway. With the Dec. 12 deadline looming for the appointment of electors to the Electoral College, a recount will become practically impossible no matter what the court rules. The state legislature, working with the tacit assent if not the actual instructions of the candidate?s own brother, Gov. Jeb Bush, will meet next week and chose its own slate of pro-Bush electors, claiming that the Dec. 12 deadline forces its hands. Bush wins, democracy loses.

It?s hard to exaggerate just how badly this decision damages the potential legitimacy of a Bush presidency. Using the power of the federal judiciary to overturn state law is bad enough for any conservative candidate who professes to value local control over the encroachment of Washington. But what would we say about another nation?s election process if it rested on the political machinations of justices appointed by the candidates father and his father?s running mate, coupled with a state legislature overseen by his brother? Now imagine that this same candidate lost the nationwide popular vote and appeared, at the time of the court ruling, to be on his way to losing the state vote as well. Calling such a country a ?Banana Republic? would be unfair to both bananas and republics. "

This sums up the feelings of many who do not see this process as being good for America.

I think now Florida should be excluded from the process. The state legislature is acting like asses,the courts are not functioning on all cylinders and the voters have all been screwed by both sides, making there ballots useless in this sickening electoral environment, as outlined by Eric Alterman's viewpoint.🙁
 
But what would we say about another nation?s election process if it rested on the political machinations of justices appointed by the candidates father and his father?s running mate, coupled with a state legislature overseen by his brother?

That's an understandable complaint, but it's irrelevant, because Bush won the original election fair and square.
 


<< It?s hard to exaggerate just how badly this decision damages the potential legitimacy of a Bush presidency. Using the power of the federal judiciary to overturn state law is bad enough for any conservative candidate who professes to value local control over the encroachment of Washington. >>



Using the power of lawsuits to make up fradulent votes is any better? Oh what? Democrats too stupid to tell a &quot;punch&quot; from a &quot;semi-punch&quot;? The, what, 6th recount now? You'd think they would have gotten it after the 2nd, possibly the 3rd recount. No matter who eventually wins their presidency is going to be tainted. And quite frankly, the Florida Supreme Court is no different from the US Supreme Court. The FSC overturned a previous' judges decision because they're all Democrats. What do you expect from a Republican controlled USSC? There's absolutely no difference between the two.
 
I'm not afraid to say that I currently disrespect anybody who thinks Bush has won by simply having enough votes of his counted by the deadline.

and the &quot;BUSH WINS, DEMOCRACY LOSES&quot; is a very nice quote btw.
 
>>>because Bush won the original election fair and square. <<<



If that where true in any sense of the word,we would not be having this conversation,would we?
 
What's up with MSNBC? Since this election thing started, every single pro-Gore opinion piece (not news article) I've seen has come from MSNBC.
 
If that where true in any sense of the word,we would not be having this conversation,would we?

Since when have you Democrats listened to facts or reason?
 
Like it is right now, both parties are coming up with some flaws in these elections.

I´d say skip it all have a new vote just between these two and use machines to count the votes once and then once hand counted. The winnter takes all 🙂

It doesnt matter whether bush or gore wins, a president who got his presidency under these condition will never be a good president because there will allways be doubts.
 
MSNBC is trying to be as much in the pocket of the Dems as CNN. They published Paul Begala's hateful piece that said that only the racist, homophobic, truck-bomber counties voted for Bush and have consistantly offered a forum for Left-wing fanatics to cry, whine, fill they diapers, etc.

The Left feel that they're entitled to power and that no one should oppose them in using whatever methods necessary to maintain the status quo. (I wonder how bad they'll feel about America when China nukes the West Coast off the map with the weapons we sold them.)

If GORE had won fair and square, we wouldn't be discussing this now. He didn't and must not be allowed to spin and sue his way into power. He's clearly unfit for the office and when Bush gets into office, we'll be thankful that we don't have a delusional psychotic like Roboliar? sitting with his finger on the Button.

Also, the day the Left is concerned about Bush's &quot;legitimacy&quot; is the day Satan skates. The whole goal of the Left is to make sure that Bush doesn't get anything done when he gets into office.
 
what I don't get is... is the fact that Democrats are weaker than Republicans.... All the Republicans sucessfully punched a hole through their Voting ballots... the democrats couldn't??? what's with that??? maybe we should have someone punch holes for them... maybe we won't though if Bush has anything to do with it... he may need that in his favor to get re-elected. 🙂
 
Democracy loses huh? Seems to me the only way a democracy* thourishes is by following the rule of law with a separation of powers. A political party without care for the rule of law subverting election results simply to create votes combined with a state supreme court that doesn't follow the law but writes it, all adds up to a threat to democracy.

Democracy's doing just fine. She needs a bit of tweaking so the next close election rules more smoothly.


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* representative republic, I know 🙂
 
Begin rant:


Bush won fair and square. Just because the US SC probably wont allow anymore recounting of dimpled, pimpled, swinging, pregnant, pierced chads and the mind reading of what voters really intended to is blocking democracy.

It's called a gray area where nobody can really figure out what rules should be followed because none where set before the election.


It's time to find a much much much better ballot that stupid people can not screw up and whiny little candidates cant sue and appeal for weeks on end.

End of rant:
 
<< a president who got his presidency under these condition will never be a good president because there will allways be doubts. >>

And that will be fueled by the side who lost, no doubt. Either way you're about to experience stubborn bonehead politics at its worst...also expect the media to clearly reveal their true biases...and also expect the Soliders of each Party to valiantly run themselves through with the Sabres of Partisan Rhetoric until their warm blood fills every lowland point from Death Valley to the Red River. 😛
 
what I don't get is... is the fact that Democrats are weaker than Republicans

They're dumber too, particularly minorities, according to non-other than the Gore campaign themselves. They'll really say or do anything to get their way, even argue that their own constituents are too dumb to vote right.
 
&quot;Using the power of the federal judiciary to overturn state law is bad enough...&quot;

Hmmm...interesting claim. I thought the state election law mentioned minor little details such as requiring results to be certified within a certain time period (which the Florida Supreme Court was kind enough to kick to the curb), no 'partial recounts' were allowable (also taken care of by the Supremes), the Florida Secretary of State was charged with certifying the results (ditto being handled and directed by the FSC), need i go on?

Nothing the FSC has ruled or ordered has been a &quot;law,&quot; because only the Legislative branch of government has the Constitutional right to pass laws. The true election laws in Florida have already been shredded beyond recognition, and ceased being anything more than on the fly decisions by judges or justices for quite some time.

If anything, any action which the U.S. Supreme Court would take to intervene would be a mercy killing for the laws which have been tortured for long enough.

&quot;This sums up the feelings of many who do not see this process as being good for America.&quot; I agree. But i would further say that it would be more proper to say, &quot;this process is not good for America, and the process never should have begun in the first place.&quot; The U.S. Supreme Court should put an immediate stop to the foolishness, and direct that the state election laws be enforced as they were written. Period. And follow through in saying that any further attempts to modify or deviate from what is written in the law (by lawsuits or any other means) will result in contempt of court charges, straight from the U.S. Supreme Court, for either or any party, lawyers included. If that means that Bush wins when he should have lost, that's the way the ball bounces. You abide by the laws, even when it's not to your advantage to do so. That's why laws are in place.
 
ok so illegally filling out THOUSANDS of absentee ballets(that were mostly republican) so they can be counted is fair then why don't we just let the dead vote...oh and how bout my dog lets let him vote too....
 
why don't we just let the dead vote...oh and how bout my dog lets let him vote too....

Those are old tricks the Democrats have been using for a while now.
 
MSNBC... yuk, yuk, yuk...
It's astonishing that a man with such apparent acumen for business is a complete idiot when it comes to politics. Bill just keeps giving money to the nosebags that seek to take him down. Absolutely astonishing.
 
well so EngineNr9 you seem to be a sterotypical racist....

raginbitch - ummm they are trying to count ballots that WEREn't counted before...try watching the news before randomly blurting out stuff

MSNBC and CNN are staying neutral they are not being partial to either canidate

ok this is corruption if ya ask me florida SC more dems so they vote for recount but US SC more reps so they vote to stop it....this is no coinscidence in my opinion

glenn1 - the legislative branch is suppose to interpret the law as they see it, so they aren't actually making up their own law
 
Check your constitution... we're a republic, not a democracy. The fact that you carry such vehement opinon about the apparent outcome of the judicial pingpong between the USSC and FSC is merely entertaining hyperbole.

My 6 year old acts the same way when he dosen't get his way.... 😉
 
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