Why would it garner him more votes? He has failed the country on that score as well. Osame? Still breathing fresh mountain air.
Oh right, he bombed the sh!t out of Iraq. To bad there's no no connection between Iraq and al Queda.
Why would it garner him more votes? He has failed the country on that score as well. Osame? Still breathing fresh mountain air.
Oh right, he bombed the sh!t out of Iraq. To bad there's no no connection between Iraq and al Queda.
The Swift Boar LIARS lies are nowhere near as important as the serious lies, failures and corruption of the Bush administration. However, the ads have had a measurable impact on the campaign, and since all their claims have been thoroughly discredited, it is in the best tradions of journalism, and the best interest of the country, that the full truth about them is published.
You think so? :roll:
Bush's elective war in Iraq has depleted our financial and military manpower reserves to the point where they jeopardize our ability to respond adequately to the real threats he has failed to deal with, including growing resurgance of the Tailban and drug growers in Afghanistan, nuclear threats from Iran and North Korea, and adequate funding for homeland security.
Why should a record like that win him any votes? :|
CaptnKirk
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Now it can be told
Veterans of George W. Bush's National Guard unit charged today that the president has misrepresented his military service during the Vietnam War. The veterans allege that during a period when the future president was supposed to be serving in the Texas Air National Guard, he was actually fighting in Vietnam.
"For more than 30 years we have remained silent," said the head of the group, which calls itself "Stiff Drink Veterans for Kerry, Whoops We Mean for Brewsky, Whoops We Mean for Truth." But, he added, "We want to be on Larry King just as much as those Swift Vote guys."
Two members of the group claim to be eyewitnesses. "It was a typical night at the Guard offices," one of them recalled at a press conference yesterday. "Okay, I'd had a few. But I personally saw George parachute down from a B-52, kill a dozen Cong with his bare hands, leap into one of those Swift boat thingies and stick his tongue out at John Kerry."
The White House yesterday strongly denied the Stiff Drink version of events. "As has been his policy throughout his entire life," a spokesman said, "the president never left the continental United States during the entire Vietnam era -- well, except for a few weekends in Tijuana. These Stiff Drink fellows are nothing more than a front for the Kerry campaign, which would like to convince the American people that George W. Bush is responsible for the Vietnam War."
The Stiff Drink story is not easy to confirm or refute. On one side, claiming that Bush has been lying, are two obscure drunks with close ties to the Democratic Party and longstanding grudges against the Bush family, which they claim cooperated with space aliens who kidnapped them to Crawford, Tex., or possibly Mars ("Who can tell?") and examined their genital areas. On the other side, confirming Bush's version of events, are 143 fellow reservists who have signed affidavits attesting that they saw the future president popping a Bud in the Guard offices at a time when the Stiff Drink group alleges he was on a secret mission to Hanoi, where he personally arm-wrestled Ho Chi Minh.
There is no documentary evidence supporting the view that Bush was in Vietnam. However, there is an extensive collection of speeding tickets from several Southern states, issued throughout the period in question to someone whose description resembles that of George W. Bush. This person, whose identity cannot be firmly established, called himself George W. Bush. He was driving a car registered to Bush and was carrying Bush's driver's license. In addition, there are photographs of Bush at the time in Texas papers, accompanying stories such as "Bush Son Seeks Own Way" (Houston Chronicle, March 28, 1969) and "Bush Son Still Seeking Own Way" (Dallas Morning News, Dec. 12, 1972).
Bush also kept a diary throughout this period. Supplied to reporters yesterday by the Bush-Cheney campaign, the diary contains multiple entries along the lines of, "Woke up. Terrible hangover. But at least I'm not in Vietnam. Thanks, Dad!"
Bush signed up for the Texas Air National Guard in 1968, to defend the state of Texas against the Viet Cong. In 1972 -- having decided, sources say, that Texas was now secure from communist infiltration -- he transferred his allegiance to a Guard unit in Alabama.
There has long been mystery and controversy about what exactly Bush did in Alabama and whether he fulfilled his reservist's obligation to show up and sharpen pencils for 45 minutes every other weekend. This is different from today's National Guard and Army Reserve policy, under which a recruiting officer leads young people to believe they are signing up for pencil-sharpening duty and then, as soon as they've signed, shouts "Aha! Gotcha!" and ships them off to a distant war.
"Look, Larry," the president told Barbara Walters in a recent interview, "just because I got away with it is no reason they should get away with it." Although Bush has never said what he was doing when he was supposed to be sharpening pencils for his country, he has not denied published hypothesizes that he spent the period drinking, sleeping and watching sports on TV. "It sounds easy," said one Bush friend from that era, "but keep in mind that in those days there might be only one game on the tube at any given time."
The Stiff Drink group, however, insists that Bush was actually flying sorties over Hanoi. And doing it without a plane. In the end, it is their word against his. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. And the full story of George Bush's secret war in Vietnam will never be known.
Veterans of George W. Bush's National Guard unit charged today that the president has misrepresented his military service during the Vietnam War. The veterans allege that during a period when the future president was supposed to be serving in the Texas Air National Guard, he was actually fighting in Vietnam.
"For more than 30 years we have remained silent," said the head of the group, which calls itself "Stiff Drink Veterans for Kerry, Whoops We Mean for Brewsky, Whoops We Mean for Truth." But, he added, "We want to be on Larry King just as much as those Swift Vote guys."
Two members of the group claim to be eyewitnesses. "It was a typical night at the Guard offices," one of them recalled at a press conference yesterday. "Okay, I'd had a few. But I personally saw George parachute down from a B-52, kill a dozen Cong with his bare hands, leap into one of those Swift boat thingies and stick his tongue out at John Kerry."
The White House yesterday strongly denied the Stiff Drink version of events. "As has been his policy throughout his entire life," a spokesman said, "the president never left the continental United States during the entire Vietnam era -- well, except for a few weekends in Tijuana. These Stiff Drink fellows are nothing more than a front for the Kerry campaign, which would like to convince the American people that George W. Bush is responsible for the Vietnam War."
The Stiff Drink story is not easy to confirm or refute. On one side, claiming that Bush has been lying, are two obscure drunks with close ties to the Democratic Party and longstanding grudges against the Bush family, which they claim cooperated with space aliens who kidnapped them to Crawford, Tex., or possibly Mars ("Who can tell?") and examined their genital areas. On the other side, confirming Bush's version of events, are 143 fellow reservists who have signed affidavits attesting that they saw the future president popping a Bud in the Guard offices at a time when the Stiff Drink group alleges he was on a secret mission to Hanoi, where he personally arm-wrestled Ho Chi Minh.
There is no documentary evidence supporting the view that Bush was in Vietnam. However, there is an extensive collection of speeding tickets from several Southern states, issued throughout the period in question to someone whose description resembles that of George W. Bush. This person, whose identity cannot be firmly established, called himself George W. Bush. He was driving a car registered to Bush and was carrying Bush's driver's license. In addition, there are photographs of Bush at the time in Texas papers, accompanying stories such as "Bush Son Seeks Own Way" (Houston Chronicle, March 28, 1969) and "Bush Son Still Seeking Own Way" (Dallas Morning News, Dec. 12, 1972).
Bush also kept a diary throughout this period. Supplied to reporters yesterday by the Bush-Cheney campaign, the diary contains multiple entries along the lines of, "Woke up. Terrible hangover. But at least I'm not in Vietnam. Thanks, Dad!"
Bush signed up for the Texas Air National Guard in 1968, to defend the state of Texas against the Viet Cong. In 1972 -- having decided, sources say, that Texas was now secure from communist infiltration -- he transferred his allegiance to a Guard unit in Alabama.
There has long been mystery and controversy about what exactly Bush did in Alabama and whether he fulfilled his reservist's obligation to show up and sharpen pencils for 45 minutes every other weekend. This is different from today's National Guard and Army Reserve policy, under which a recruiting officer leads young people to believe they are signing up for pencil-sharpening duty and then, as soon as they've signed, shouts "Aha! Gotcha!" and ships them off to a distant war.
"Look, Larry," the president told Barbara Walters in a recent interview, "just because I got away with it is no reason they should get away with it." Although Bush has never said what he was doing when he was supposed to be sharpening pencils for his country, he has not denied published hypothesizes that he spent the period drinking, sleeping and watching sports on TV. "It sounds easy," said one Bush friend from that era, "but keep in mind that in those days there might be only one game on the tube at any given time."
The Stiff Drink group, however, insists that Bush was actually flying sorties over Hanoi. And doing it without a plane. In the end, it is their word against his. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. And the full story of George Bush's secret war in Vietnam will never be known.
Except for the combat time, the battle wounds and the shrapnel.Originally posted by: charrison
he filed for early discharge and that was approved. Much like Kerry did
Reserve duty is not rquired following an enlisted tour of duty, especially after combat.
There is a difference. He was in active duty and easn't required to give one week end a month and 2 weeks a year. Bush was.
Funny (ironic) how now there sending the week'end warriors over to fight the wars now that the ChickenHawks don't need a place to "hide" their kids, don't you think?
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country." (Colin Powell?s autobiography, My American Journey, p. 148)
Serving your country in the states vs. serving you country on the battlefield doesn't make one better then the other. Each person has a duty got their country and they all do their best to help this country. The fire fighters, police officers, teachers, engineers, scientist, civil service, soldiers etc. They all do a part in protecting this country. Without each other, we can only last so long before we lose. This has been the downfall of many civilization and mankind.
It doesn't make one better then the other, but IMO it makes one more deserving then the other. He risked everything for his country. The other guy just did his time. Without a defense, the people you speak of would be too busy defending themselves to do their work.
Again, i really think we should put a draft system back in place. Your number gets drawn and your in for 4 years or 6 years or whatever. No exemptions, it doesn't matter who you are.
You don't send an engineer to the battlefield cause he would serve the country best by staying off and developing better technology for the soldiers. Same time, you don't send an uneducated person into a lab to be a surgeon. We must find the best fit for everyone to serve the country and not just pick everyone and send them to the field.
"I don't think you can win it," Bush said on NBC's "Today," when asked, "can we win" the war on terror. "But I think you can create conditions so that the those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world."
Does that mean he's going to run a sensitive war on terror?
I really do not care who served in vietnam and didnt serve. The US offerred amnesty to even the Draft Dodgers who went to Canada or other places. So how is this a valid point? Bush never brought up Vietnam, that is Kerry's doing!
CaptnKirk
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You think the Army doesn't need engineer's??? Think again!!! That is so typical a rationalization from the "smart" people. You think just like GWB. He was sure good at attending the ANG until it became clear the war was winding down and he didn't have to worry about gettin shot at. Then he hardly went at all.
Correct... as far as you go. However, if Bush ducked out of some of that duty, it diminishes the quality of that service, and lying to the American public about doing so raises strong doubts about his integrity and crediblity.
kage69
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Why have we let the conservative media downplay the POTUS whelching on his military obligation?
Why have I seen more media coverage over stupid Martha Stewart than I have about the Enron debacle, the most reprehensible and damaging instance of fraud in the history of business? Oh yeah, the latter might reveal that GWB and Ken Lay are goons cut from the same cloth, which would garner votes for Kerry.
It's amazing how far Nascar fans will go to keep their worldview intact. They rewrite history in order to make the Democrat the sniveling coward and the Republican the honorable sentinel of freedom when in fact their idol was a coke-sniffing, chimpanzee-imitating, privileged frat boy who got took the monied way out of serving in Vietnam.
Oviously it couldn't stop it altogether, but it sure as hell would slow it down a lot. Just the fact that we had a draft and some of the congressman's and rich people's children would also be sent into harm's way would have given our leaders a little more patience before starting this war.
That seems simple and logical to me??
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