Bush wants Religous Groups to operate social programs

[AaronP]

Hey Dobojii, ya know that's just too damn bad. There's a ton of programs that my tax money is used for that I don't like. I don't want my money funding the arts, I don't want my tax money being sent off to Africa or Asia where it will just go down the drain.

I don't want my tax money used on researching the mating habits of the moose (a real govt program)

I don't want my federal tax money funding education, I don't want my tax money going for a lot of crap, however that's the way the system works.

 

[Doboji]

And I tell you what else... If this measure passes... I could refuse to pay taxes, and when I took the case to the Supreme Court... I would win.

-Max

 

[charrison]

doboji,

You could do that, but the IRS would take everything you have first. I think we can all agree that irs needs to go away.

 

[Doboji]

-AaronP

No thats not too damn bad.... none of those other things are covered in the constitution... because they all relate to the governing of society... funding religious based organizations goes beyond just governing society.

And c'mmon don't play dumb.... you know exactly what I'm talking about... there's a significant difference between the Department of Education... and the Mormon Church.

-Max

 

[Doboji]

charrison-

My dad works for the IRS... so before we get rid of them... lets wait a couple years so he can retire first

thanx

-Max

 

[MrPALCO]

<< separation of Church and State >>



While there is no such thing in the Constitution, Liberals ( and those that support godless concepts) have adopted this for their own purposes.

The godless have long used this &quot;clause&quot; to ram through government concepts that attempt to limit God.

Now, with Bush as an open servant of Jesus, the tide of Government will begin to be turned back to benefit people, and not bureaucracy.



ed...sp

 

[charrison]

dobiji,

There is lots in the federal budget that should not be there. Get used to it.
I would rather see tax breaks for those that gave to charities. However given the pork that exists, this is just another item.

 

[AaronP]

Doboji, please I emplore you to try not paying your taxes.

If you think that you could actually take that to the supreme court and win, you truely have a warped perception. People have not paid their taxes before because they disagreed wiht something the govt was doing, and ya know what, they all ended up in prison doing HARD time.

LOL. first off, it would NEVER even get to the supreme court, and ya know, even in the one in a billion chance that it would, Scalia, Thomas, Renquist, O'Conner, Kennedy, and maybe even Breyer would bitchslap you.

Hell, I think even the liberal judges wouldn't like the idea of a guy not paying his taxes and getting away with it.

 

[Doboji]

MrPalco....are you for real?! freaky.... there's a perfect example of why NOT to fund religious groups... SHEESH

charrison... I hear ya... and tax breaks for those giving to charities is a much more reasonable request... and I believe is already implemented to some degree is it not?

Maybe it's time for a federal budget close examination and fat trimming... but I'm tired of lip service politicians who claim to want to reduce the fat, and then start cutting anything that doesn't serve their particular special interest groups. Ja Know What I be meanin mah man?

-Max

 

[Doboji]

AaronP.... ok we're going way off topic here... the fact is... The constitution forbids this type of legislature... do you dispute this fact or not?...

Or do you suggest that it doesnt really matter what the constitution says?

-Max

 

[etech]

The constitution does not forbid this type of program.

The constitution forbids the government from sponsoring a state religion. It does not forbid letting a contract to a religious group to provide a service. A service I might add that many are already providing and have experience with.

 

[AaronP]

yes Doboji, I dispute that &quot;fact.&quot;

 

[Red Dawn]

<< A service I might add that many are already providing and have experience with. >>

without the Golden Ring of big bucks that would lead to their corruption. Have you ever considered that the reason they are so successful is because there in no Government involvement and money? They have to be on the up and up to get the donations given to them from the private sector. Without that type of scrutiny, they surely will become more corrupt than any government social agnecy and they no longer with be under the Microscope of the Private sector and we all know how poor of a job the Government does keeping track of the money they dole out. If this comes to fruition there is going to be a big boom in the Bible Belt for the Cadillac and Mercedes Benz Car Dealerships.

 

[etech]

Nice speculation Red, but that is all that it is.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Nice speculation Red, but that is all that it is. >>

It's more than that. It is a possible outcome if the Religious Zombies were to get that kind of money as it would give them the power most of them seek and as we all know power leads to corruption.

 

[Doboji]

<< The constitution forbids the government from sponsoring a state religion. It does not forbid letting a contract to a religious group to provide a service. A service I might add that many are already providing and have experience with. >>



The constitution says somewhere that it's ok to use tax payers money for religious group so long as it's on a contract basis?... It says the government can force me to spend money on religious groups so long as they're clever about it?... ummmm no I don't think so.



<< I dispute that &quot;fact.&quot; >>


Oh really?.... evidence... rival interpretations?... etc etc... or you just disagree because... (dumb-country accent) well I just disagree thats all...

Well stated Red... These organzations run off of good will from the people they serve. What happens when they are no longer bound to these people anymore? C-O-R-R-U-P-T-I-O-N!

-Max

 

[etech]

Doboji, I suppose you ask you barber if he is religious before he lets you cut your hair, how about your plumber? Do you ask your kids school teachers if they are religious before you let them teach your little darlings, that is assuming you are that old of course.

Doboji, show me where the Constitution bans using a religious group to provide a service.

 

[hans007]

bush is an idiot. religion should play no part . they mean good, but for people to have to get their social services from a religious organization that they may want no part of, a religion organization that may want to sell their religion to said person is just wrong. i'm sure bush lacks the intelligence required to understand that, and probably the intelligence to comprehend what i just wrote.

On another thought i read that he got a 470 verbal on the SATs. Being from a well off white family he belongs in a demographic that makes it even less likely for him to score that low. This just proves that for the white , middle class demographic , bush is on the far left side of the bell curve

 

[etech]

Hans, you heard incorrectly.

Bush SAT scores
SAT Verbal Score 566 (of 800)
SAT Math Score 640 (of 800)

Besides bad hearing, you not only fail the logic portion of this quiz but the grammar portion.

Let's see, George Bush is President of the United States and you are...?