Bush wants line item veto revived

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: GrGr
The Executive is already far too powerful.

Translation=if Clinton/Kerry was in office I'd be all for it.

Translation: I can't think for myself so automatically label someone "liberal" of a Kerry supporter if I percieve them to be critisizing Bush.

The executive IS far to powerfull. Many many federal powers need to be revoked and returned to the states.

or to the legislature whee they were meant to be.

 

[ElFenix]

he could just keep vetoing bills until he got one without gobs of pork hanging out from everything. maybe we need a kosher president

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
he could just keep vetoing bills until he got one without gobs of pork hanging out from everything. maybe we need a kosher president

Yep, that's how it's supposed to work. But unfortunately, Bush has not yet used the veto pen once since taking office. Not once.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: ElFenix
he could just keep vetoing bills until he got one without gobs of pork hanging out from everything. maybe we need a kosher president

Yep, that's how it's supposed to work. But unfortunately, Bush has not yet used the veto pen once since taking office. Not once.

If thats because he's afraid of political fallout for pork barrel bills...WTF is he pursuing this NOW...when he has no reason to fear it due to this being his last term? Oh thats right, because he can. If Bush thinks the spending on some of these bills is out of control, he needs to grow some balls, veto it and send it back with "do it right" written on it. He doesn't have to worry about re-election support now anyway.

Regardless, this doesn't seem like a good idea. Sure it offers immunity from situations where they tack on extra spending, but it tips even more power to an already overpowered branch of our government.

Bad idea.

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: conjur
He wants to strike down items that won't benefit his business buddies and leave in the parts that do.



Seriously, I hope he does get it and I hope he uses it to strike down pork-barrel spending and other wasteful spending items.

Indeed!!

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: GrGr
The Executive is already far too powerful.

Translation=if Clinton/Kerry was in office I'd be all for it.

Your translator does not work. I'm definitely no Clinton or Kerry supporter.

When you become President of the US you get the world's most powerful military (by a few orders of magnitude) in your hand and can (nowadays) go to war whereever and whenever you want to. You furthermore get control over the CIA and it's vast resources. The CIA is the worlds most powerful black ops outfit (by a few orders of magnitude). And that is just a sample of what one single indivudual gets to control when he becomes the Executive of the US. No wonder Kerry was crying when he lost. History has shown that no US President has been able to refrain from using these powers, to more or less catastrophic results for the US. The system of checks and balances is broken. The Executive has far more power than any single human individual should have.

If Bush gets what he wants in this case he can simply target the minority's (for example) attempts at legislation. It would give him one more tool to ram through his (the right wing's) economic agenda unopposed. That is why he wants this specific power added to his toolbox of powers.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: conjur
He wants to strike down items that won't benefit his business buddies and leave in the parts that do.



Seriously, I hope he does get it and I hope he uses it to strike down pork-barrel spending and other wasteful spending items.

hopefully he plans on using it to get rid off all the favors the house and senate tacks onto legislature that needs to be passed (ie the legislature that we had to pass because WTO said our tarrifs were against the rules... it ended being a huge spending bonanza)

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: Vic
Bad thing without question. I opposed it with Clinton and will oppose it now. It gives the Executive branch unconstitutional legislative powers, i.e. the power to write and re-write laws after they have left the Congress. This would be a serious imbalance to the checks-and-balances that are a crucial part of our government.