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Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera in Qatar (US Ally)

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The media has now become an extension of modern day war...unconventional warfare is as much about winning the hearts and minds as it is about tactical or strategic military victories.

In giving Al Quaida a forum and media outlet for communicating its agenda, Al-Jazeera has intentionally and quite willingly placed itself in the position of being something other then a neutral and unbiased news outlet...arguably, this makes Al-Jazeera a viable target as a propaganda outlet for Al Quaida.

A similar argument can be made for propaganda extensions of the Bush Administration...when news media sources willingly become extensions of the war effort, they also become viable targets.
 
That's the kind of thinking the terrorist who abduct foriegn journalist take to. "They our the mouth pieces of our enemies, let's cut their heads off to show them our will..." :roll:

Irregardless of what they are saying, they are a media outlet. Whether or not they provide the news you *want* to hear, the are not combatants. Something about that thing called the first amendment protects our people, so we should give these people the benefits of the doubt. Unless we can conclusively prove they are involved in combat type operations, they should be held to the same standards that we hold our own people to.

You always have the option of not listening, to news you don't *want* to hear...
 
That's the kind of thinking the terrorist who abduct foriegn journalist take to. "They our the mouth pieces of our enemies, let's cut their heads off to show them our will...
Under this scenario, the terrorists or insurgents are arguably taking these journalists/contractors as POWs...beheading POWs crosses the line. Similarly, that Al-Jazeera broadcasts these beheadings only encourages the continuation of such propaganda tactics.

Something about that thing called the first amendment protects our people, so we should give these people the benefits of the doubt.
The 1st Amendment does not extent to the world community, and I choose not to give the benefit of the doubt to any organization that willingly associates itself with Al Quaida.

Unless we can conclusively prove they are involved in combat type operations, they should be held to the same standards that we hold our own people to.
But we are talking about unconventional warfare, where combat operations are just one of many ways to attack your enemy...propaganda is as much a part of this war as is combat operations...history has shown that civilian targets known to support a war effort are viable targets...the people that work in factories or infrastructure do not engage in combat operations, yet they are viable targets when they support a war effort...the same principle applies to journalists, or media outlets, once they become nothing more then propaganda machines.



 
Originally posted by: TGS
That's the kind of thinking the terrorist who abduct foriegn journalist take to. "They our the mouth pieces of our enemies, let's cut their heads off to show them our will..." :roll:

Irregardless of what they are saying, they are a media outlet. Whether or not they provide the news you *want* to hear, the are not combatants. Something about that thing called the first amendment protects our people, so we should give these people the benefits of the doubt. Unless we can conclusively prove they are involved in combat type operations, they should be held to the same standards that we hold our own people to.

You always have the option of not listening, to news you don't *want* to hear...

Considering that roughly 99% of ALL news, pres releases, announcements, etc., from Al Quaeda come through Al Jazeera, I'd say it's reasonable to believe that they've got connections to-you guessed it- Al Quaeda.

Another place we ought to bomb are those mountains in Afghanistan where they suspect AQ's hide out in the caves. I think a well placed Neutron bomb would do nicely.

Jason
 
Got links to back up your claims there? I somehow doubt it.


BTW, what about the tapes of bin Laden and Zarqawi and Zawahiri et all that make it to the American news networks? Aren't they associating themselves with Al Qaeda, too?!?! :Q
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
That's the kind of thinking the terrorist who abduct foriegn journalist take to. "They our the mouth pieces of our enemies, let's cut their heads off to show them our will...
Under this scenario, the terrorists or insurgents are arguably taking these journalists/contractors as POWs...beheading POWs crosses the line. Similarly, that Al-Jazeera broadcasts these beheadings only encourages the continuation of such propaganda tactics.

We do the same thing, but we edit parts out to "protect" our citizens from the grim reality of what exactly is happening to these people... Honestly I really don't need to see someone executed to realize they have been killed, so I could care less if it's edited or not. I believe whole heartedly that people responsible for such actions should be brough to justice. From the new media, ME or western, it *is* news regardless of the footage shown.
Something about that thing called the first amendment protects our people, so we should give these people the benefits of the doubt.
The 1st Amendment does not extent to the world community, and I choose not to give the benefit of the doubt to any organization that willingly associates itself with Al Quaida.

Unless we hold other people to our own standards, why even bother? Geneva convention, UCMJ, etc...

Unless we can conclusively prove they are involved in combat type operations, they should be held to the same standards that we hold our own people to.
But we are talking about unconventional warfare, where combat operations are just one of many ways to attack your enemy...propaganda is as much a part of this war as is combat operations...history has shown that civilian targets known to support a war effort are viable targets...the people that work in factories or infrastructure do not engage in combat operations, yet they are viable targets when they support a war effort...the same principle applies to journalists, or media outlets, once they become nothing more then propaganda machines.

There is no law domestic or international that I'm aware, that news has to be unbiased. Think domestic, CNN and Fox news comes to mind. You honestly don't think *our* media has an axe to grind in the other parties direction? Media is controlled by people, who dictate what *deserves* coverage. Not what to *you* is important, but what *they* believe is important or news worthy. Unless the news presented is completely false, we should credit them as a media outlet and nothing more. Who cares what news the present, unless it's fictious material it's once again news you don't *want* to hear.

As for legitimate targets, I believe that facilities that are engaged in produce *war* materials would be more correct. I mean otherwise you could bomb anything and say, "Well they were making *pencils* to draft up war documents..." or "Those staplers were a key portion of the war document fixation procedures."

 
BTW, what about the tapes of bin Laden and Zarqawi and Zawahiri et all that make it to the American news networks? Aren't they associating themselves with Al Qaeda, too?!?!
Reporting on Bin Laden, Zarqawi and Al Quaida is the role of an unbiased news outlet performing its inherent function...receiving "exclusive" video tapes from these same sources, spouting rhetoric or showing the graphic murder of kidnapped journalists & contractors...that crosses the line a bit.

For the record, that news outlets like Fox have become propaganda outlets for the Bush Administration makes them viable targets as well.

The line may not necessarily be distinct between the two, but the distinction does exist.
 
You do know that from these "exclusive" sources, our government gets copies of these tapes for authentication..? Are you implying that have connections to the seemingly worst people on the world for information purposes is a bad thing? Do we have operatives that can procure the same type of information, or hold the same kind of connections?

I think that our government would jump at the chance for such direct informational resources.

Edit: As for say Fox, they merely pump up the Republicans agenda. So now does this mean any news outlet that promotes Republican agendas is a legitimate target for attack?

Edit 2: I really don't think you understand, they are providing news. Just news you don't want to see or hear about. They may have an agenda is the news coverage they give to particular subjects. In the end it's merely news. I don't think either Fox nor CNN is some wartime propagandist organization. I realize the people in charge of those media organization have a way they want to present their copy of the news. You do realize they are private companies, that have no regulation in what news coverage they provide?

How does it go? Don't believe everything on TV. Or do you subcribe to some sort of infallible news outlet that is correct one-hundred percent of the time?
 
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
I am not surprised that we want to bomb them. I personally think we should Bomb, CNN, FOX and all other news agencies that give the terrorist pretty damn good intelligence reports. I mean remember the attack on Fallujah? It was being announced 2 weeks before it happened with daily updates on our forces massing before the town.

If we did bomb Al-Jazeera that would be pretty stupid and cowardly at best.

And then the .mil admitted they released that info on purpose, for the *purpose*
You got to give them some credit, they ain't that stupid

The Los Angeles Times revealed this week (12/1/04) that the U.S. military lied to CNN in the course of executing psychological warfare operations , or PSYOPS, in advance of the recent attack on Fallujah. This incident raises serious questions about government disinformation and journalistic credibility, but recent discussions of the government's propaganda plans have excluded some valuable context.

In an October 14 on-air interview, Marine Lt. Lyle Gilbert told CNN Pentagon reporter Jamie McIntyre that a U.S. military assault on Fallujah had begun. In fact, the offensive would not actually begin for another three weeks. The goal of the psychological operation, according to the Times , was to deceive Iraqi insurgents into revealing what they would do in the event of an actual offensive.

This operation raises obvious questions about the government's use of media to broadcast disinformation at home and abroad-- not to mention questions about journalistic gullibility and reluctance to question official claims . But the CNN story has received little pick-up so far from other news outlets-- and when it is covered, it's treated like an isolated episode, even though recent history shows that U.S. government plans to deceive journalists and the public are widespread and systematic, not aberrational.

Shortly before the launch of the "war on terror," an unnamed Pentagon war planner seemed to warn journalists everywhere when he told Washington Post reporter Howard Kurtz: "This is the most information-intensive war you can imagine... We're going to lie about things." (9/24/01)
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So now does this mean any news outlet that promotes Republican agendas is a legitimate target for attack?
Again, the distinction is that any news media outlet that goes beyond reporting the news to becoming a willing participant as a propaganda machine becomes a viable military target.

Apparently, Al Quaida and the insurgents have already made that determination in capturing and executing foreign journalists.

Just news you don't want to see or hear about. They may have an agenda is the news coverage they give to particular subjects.
Showing beheading video tapes with a bunch of knucleheads in black masks spouting Islamic rhetoric is not news. You can report on the beheadings without actually showing the act...to do so goes well beyond the reasonable definition of objective journalism.

How does it go? Don't believe everything on TV. Or do you subcribe to some sort of infallible news outlet that is correct one-hundred percent of the time
Well, no news outlet is correct 100% of the time...and all news outlets have a bias...hell, even the American news media has transformed into a form of sensationalist entertainment.

I really don't think you understand, they are providing news.
No, I understand all too well.


 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
So now does this mean any news outlet that promotes Republican agendas is a legitimate target for attack?
Again, the distinction is that any news media outlet that goes beyond reporting the news to becoming a willing participant as a propaganda machine becomes a viable military target.

Apparently, Al Quaida and the insurgents have already made that determination in capturing and executing foreign journalists.

You do realize Al Quaida is commiting these crimes, not the news outlets who report the crimes? Al-Jazeera is reporting the aftermath using contacts to obtain the information. Does our own government not have our own contacts in illegal organizations, to benefit from insider information?




In your own words...

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

For the record, that news outlets like Fox have become propaganda outlets for the Bush Administration makes them viable targets as well.

The line may not necessarily be distinct between the two, but the distinction does exist.

Please explain how Fox news is now a legitimate wartime target, for providing news about Bush?

Edit:

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975


Just news you don't want to see or hear about. They may have an agenda is the news coverage they give to particular subjects.
Showing beheading video tapes with a bunch of knucleheads in black masks spouting Islamic rhetoric is not news. You can report on the beheadings without actually showing the act...to do so goes well beyond the reasonable definition of objective journalism.

Where does the footage American new outlets come from? These same resources that you are attacking. Without them, nobody outside the affected parties would know what is happening. It seems you would rather keep people in the dark, than let them no the reality or horrible situations.

 
You do realize Al Quaida is commiting these crimes, not the news outlets who report the crimes? Al-Jazeera is reporting the aftermath using contacts to obtain the information. Does our own government not have our own contacts in illegal organizations, to benefit from insider information?
Would Al Quaida videotape these beheadings if they did not have an outlet to broadcast the tapes to a wide reaching audience?

Please explain how Fox news is now a legitimate wartime target, for providing news about Bush?
It's quite simple...an unconventional warfare is one of attrition...as much psychological as it is combative...propaganda serves an intangible but nonetheless prominant role in combat.

It is difficult to establish hard rules, because this is perhaps the first time in history where news media outlets have become so intrinsically linked to combat operations on the ground...American news outlets are obviously going to portray a sympathetic picture of American forces...Muslim or Arab news outlets are going to be more sympathetic to Al Quaida and the Iraqi insurgents.

The question becomes: when does a news media outlet cross the line from reporting the news to supporting one side to such an extent that it can influence the outcome of the war? My argument is that Al-Jazeera has, on occasion, crossed that line, and in doing so, has made itself a viable military target...arguably, several American news agencies or networks have similarly crossed that line.

 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Showing beheading video tapes with a bunch of knucleheads in black masks spouting Islamic rhetoric is not news. You can report on the beheadings without actually showing the act...to do so goes well beyond the reasonable definition of objective journalism.

The rest of the world doesn't have to follow the rules of U.S. objective journalism
Here in Canada we show our war dead from Afghanistan coming home, we aren't ashamed to show coffins

In Iraq they get to watch more on T.V. then we do here

Assassinations...
We woke up yesterday morning to this news: Sunni tribal leader and his sons shot dead.

?Gunmen in Iraqi army uniforms shot dead an aging Sunni tribal leader and three of his sons in their beds on Wednesday, relatives said??

Except when you read it on the internet, it?s nothing like seeing scenes of it on television. They showed the corpses and the family members- an elderly woman wailing and clawing at her face and hair and screaming that soldiers from the Ministry of Interior had killed her sons. They shot them in front of their mother, wives and children? Even when they slaughter sheep, they take them away from the fold so that the other sheep aren?t terrorized by the scene.

From Riverbends blog
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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
You do realize Al Quaida is commiting these crimes, not the news outlets who report the crimes? Al-Jazeera is reporting the aftermath using contacts to obtain the information. Does our own government not have our own contacts in illegal organizations, to benefit from insider information?
Would Al Quaida videotape these beheadings if they did not have an outlet to broadcast the tapes to a wide reaching audience?

Please explain how Fox news is now a legitimate wartime target, for providing news about Bush?
It's quite simple...an unconventional warfare is one of attrition...as much psychological as it is combative...propaganda serves an intangible but nonetheless prominant role in combat.

It is difficult to establish hard rules, because this is perhaps the first time in history where news media outlets have become so intrinsically linked to combat operations on the ground...American news outlets are obviously going to portray a sympathetic picture of American forces...Muslim or Arab news outlets are going to be more sympathetic to Al Quaida and the Iraqi insurgents.

The question becomes: when does a news media outlet cross the line from reporting the news to supporting one side to such an extent that it can influence the outcome of the war? My argument is that Al-Jazeera has, on occasion, crossed that line, and in doing so, has made itself a viable military target...arguably, several American news agencies or networks have similarly crossed that line.


Again, what concrete evidence solidifies Fox or any other American news outlet to the status of wartime combatant? Of course they will obvious sympathize will American related news and present it in the best light. That's about as objective as you can hope for in the American news. News at it's core should be objective. Though the reality is, it has to get past certain people who look at the news in a subjective manner.
 
Do any of those who think bombing them would be ok actually read it? They do cover a lot more than just Terror related stuff.

Todays top story:

UN plea to keep Aids fight promises

other stuff...

UAE to hold first limited elections

Egyptians vote, but complain of curbs

Iraq money-for-story deals upset Bush

Israel may turn fence into border

Australia, Timor settle border dispute

In pursuit of Arab reform


How many of these topics do you see on your news?
 
The rest of the world doesn't have to follow the rules of U.S. objective journalism
Here in Canada we show our war dead from Afghanistan coming home, we aren't ashamed to show coffins
I have no problem showing American military dead, so long as it is done in a respectful manner, and not exploited for political purposes.

Again, what concrete evidence solidifies Fox or any other American news outlet to the status of wartime combatant?
Nothing that I am aware of...I was speculating, and attempting to make the discussion fair...that I would expect to hold American journalists to the same standard as I am holding against Al-Jazeera.
 
It's good to see Genx was run out of this thread. What a ridiculous position to take. Bush plans to bomb al Jazeera, and as a matter of fact HAS bombed al Jazeera, and Genx tries to pass it all off as a joke. Absolutely ridiculous.

BTW, if Bush has plans to bomb al Jazeera again he'd better check his map REAL carefully or the dumba$$ might drop a bomb a little too close to "home". :laugh: :laugh:

Al Jazeera plans to go international in 2006

DOHA, Qatar--Can Al Jazeera find a home on U.S. cable networks? It's going to try next spring.

The media company, which operates an Arabic-language news TV channel and Web sites, will open a 24-hour English-language news channel starting in spring 2006 with broadcasting centers in Kuala Lumpur, London and Washington, D.C.

 
This story is apparently big news in Europe, where they still have a free press, and it should be big news here too. But instead the White House Press Corps, who should be all over this, are more interested in Bush's jury duty notice.

:roll:

Ridiculous.

Add this to the long and ever growing list of Bush administration PR disasters. Right up there with Abu Ghraib and paying to plant "news" in the Iraqi "free press".

At least Jay Leno is on top of the story. The whole world's watching and the whole world's laughing.

The al-Jazeera Dodge

By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Friday, December 2, 2005; 1:54 PM

For some reason, the White House refuses to provide a straight answer to this question: Did President Bush raise the idea of bombing the headquarters of the al-Jazeera television network in an April 2004 conversation with British Prime Minister Tony Blair -- and if so, was he serious or was he joking?

Reporters who have asked press secretary Scott McClellan to respond to the claim first published in the British Daily Mirror almost two weeks ago have gotten two crude non-denial denials.

The first one was delivered last week, in an e-mail to the Associated Press: "We are not interested in dignifying something so outlandish and inconceivable with a response," McClellan wrote.

The next day, I predicted in my column that "nothing arouses White House reporters more these days than a non-denial denial." But I apparently overestimated the mainstream press corps' baloney detectors.

Since then, McClellan has been publicly asked about the al-Jazeera story precisely once. He was asked for a comment at Wednesday's mid-day press briefing (here's the full text ). And in response, he played dumb. "Q I know you've been asked before about the so-called al-Jazeera memo, but Europeans are making quite a big deal about it. Can you assure them that even if the President did say what he was alleged to have said he was doing that in jest?

"MR. McCLELLAN: Can I assure them what?

"Q That if the President really did make those comments, he was doing so in jest?

"MR. McCLELLAN: Make what comments?

"Q About allegedly bombing al Jazeera --

"MR. McCLELLAN: Any such notion that we would engage in that kind of activity is just absurd.

"Q Well, do you know if the comments were made?

"MR. McCLELLAN: I don't know what comments you're referring to. I haven't seen any comments quoted.

"Q Somebody said that they had a memo, or that they took notes during --

"MR. McCLELLAN: Let me just repeat for you, Connie. Any such notion that America would do something like that is absurd."

The reporter then pointed out that in 2001, American bombs exploded in al-Jazeera's Kabul bureau, which the Pentagon later said was not on purpose.

"Q They bomb them in Afghanistan then -- their office.

"MR. McCLELLAN: I'm sorry? Whose offices? The terrorist offices.

"Q We bombed their office in Afghanistan, and killed their -- some of their people in --

"MR. McCLELLAN: And the military talked about that. What are you suggesting? I hope you're not suggesting that they're targeting civilians, because that's just flat-out wrong."

Butwhy won't McClellan say the same about the report of the Bush-Blair meeting, too?

And where were the follow-up questions? Nobody in the briefing room pursued the issue any further, and nobody even said one word about al-Jazeera at yesterday's briefing .

By contrast, the corps was downright dogged yesterday when it came to rooting out the details of Bush's summons to jury duty in Crawford. Now there's a big story.
The Coverage (Such as it Is)

Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball write on Newsweek's Web site: "A British government crackdown on government leaks may have backfired by calling world attention to an ultrasensitive secret memo whose alleged contents have embarrassed President George W. Bush and strained relations between London and Washington. The document allegedly recounts a threat last year by Bush to bomb the head office of the Arabic TV news channel Al-Jazeera. . . .

"Bush administration officials initially dismissed the memo's allegations about Bush's threat against Al-Jazeera as 'outlandish.' U.S. officials later suggested that if Bush did talk with Blair about bombing Al-Jazeera, the president was only joking. . . .

"But a senior official at 10 Downing Street, Blair's official residence, who insisted on anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject, recently seemed to give credence to the Al-Jazeera threat. The official told Newsweek London Bureau chief Stryker McGuire: 'I don't think Tony Blair thought it was a joke.'"

The Daily Mirror story -- and the ensuing legal action, brought Wadah Khanfar, the director general of al-Jazeera, to London looking for answers.

Richard Beeston writes in the Spectator: "The scourge of the Pentagon and the rabble-rouser of the Arab masses had just been to Downing Street to deliver a letter to the Prime Minister demanding an explanation. Had the British leader talked Bush out of bombing al-Jazeera's headquarters in the Qatari capital Doha, as a leaked transcript of their conversation stated? If it was just a bad joke, as some Whitehall official had suggested, why had the Attorney General Lord Goldsmith threatened to prosecute any further revelations under the Official Secrets Act? Why were two government insiders under investigation for leaking the document?"

Khanfar himself writes in the Guardian: "I brought many questions with me to London; it would seem that I shall return to Doha - where al-Jazeera is based - with even more misgivings. Officials in Britain have come up with nothing, and their silence is likely to reinforce suspicion and mistrust. This will not be the end of the road; we are taking legal advice and won't rest until we know the full truth. . . .

"If it is true that Bush had indeed thought of bombing the al-Jazeera headquarters in Doha, this will undoubtedly constitute a watershed in the relationship between government authorities and the free media."

Jeremy Scahill writes in the Nation: "The meeting took place on April 16, at the peak of the first US siege of Falluja, and Al Jazeera was one of the few news outlets broadcasting from inside the city. Its exclusive footage was being broadcast by every network from CNN to the BBC.

"The Falluja offensive, one of the bloodiest assaults of the US occupation, was a turning point. In two weeks that April, thirty marines were killed as local guerrillas resisted US attempts to capture the city. Some 600 Iraqis died, many of them women and children. Al Jazeera broadcast from inside the besieged city, beaming images to the world. On live TV the network gave graphic documentary evidence disproving US denials that it was killing civilians. It was a public relations disaster, and the United States responded by attacking the messenger. . . .

"On April 15 Donald Rumsfeld echoed those remarks in distinctly undiplomatic terms, calling Al Jazeera's reporting 'vicious, inaccurate and inexcusable. . . . It's disgraceful what that station is doing.' It was the very next day, according to the Daily Mirror, that Bush told Blair of his plan. 'He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere,' a source told the Mirror. 'There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do--and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it.' "
The White House and the Media, Part II

The White House right now faces another media-related scandal, this one over multiple reports that the U.S. military arranged for positive stories about the war to be published in Iraqi newspapers under the guise of independent journalism.

McClellan dodged questions about that story yesterday by saying it's too early to comment.

It's interesting how quick the White House is to condemn its enemies based on whatever information is available. But when it comes to actions by the administration, the standard of proof is apparently quite high. Multiple media reports, or even an indictment, are apparently not sufficient to elicit anything even remotely like censure.

Mark Mazzetti and Borzou Daragahi broke the story in the Los Angeles Times on Wednesday.

Jonathan S. Landay had more for Knight Ridder Newspapers on Thursday.

But here's how it went in yesterday's briefing :

"Q What's the White House opinion on the military using this Lincoln Group to plant stories in Iraqi newspapers?

"MR. McCLELLAN: Well, we've seen the reports. We first learned about it when we saw the reports yesterday, I think in the Los Angeles Times was the first place that that was reported. We are very concerned about the reports. We have asked the Department of Defense for more information. General Pace has asked people to look into the matter and get the facts, and so we want to see what those facts are.

" Q Well, the military has admitted that they've been doing it. Does the White House find that acceptable, unacceptable?

"MR. McCLELLAN: Well, what the Pentagon has said is that they don't have all the facts, they want to gather the facts and then talk about it further. We want to know what those facts are, too. We are very concerned about the reports that we have seen."

"Q So this is a bit of a hypothetical, but should it be determined that, in fact, they have been doing this, would the President find that acceptable -- "

"MR. McCLELLAN: I'm not going to engage in a hypothetical. Let's find out what those facts are.

"Q Well, then what is the basis of your concern?

"MR. McCLELLAN: The reports that we've seen -- the media reports.

"Q But if you're concerned, that suggests that you would not approve of this.

It went on and on for a while.

"Q Well, would his views be similar on this particular issue?

"MR. McCLELLAN: I've expressed our views on this issue at this point."

McClellan then tried to change the subject, but the redoubtable Helen Thomas refused to let him.

"Q Who's watching the store, really? How can we spend millions of dollars to plant positive stories in Iraq and nobody around here knows --

"MR. McCLELLAN: Again, this is --

"Q -- anything about it? How is that possible?

"MR. McCLELLAN: This is based off some media reports. We want to find out what those facts are."
Bush on the Economy

The White House would much rather the media focused on the good news about the economy than all those negative things making headlines day after day. So in a last-minute addition to his schedule, Bush himself came out to the Rose Garden this morning to talk up the latest economic figures.

"Thanks to good, old-fashioned American hard work and productivity, innovation, and sound economic policies of cutting taxes and restraining spending, our economy continues to gain strength and momentum," he said.

After a three minute statement , he turned on his heels and left without taking any questions.
Card to GOP: We'll Tell You More About Iraq

The Associated Press reports: "Bush's chief of staff told GOP congressional leaders that the White House would communicate more with lawmakers about Iraq. The leaders welcomed Andrew Card's commitment and followed it by providing 'constructive criticism,' said a Republican official who attended the GOP retreat in St. Michaels, Md. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the meeting was private."

Gwyneth K. Shaw previewed the GOP retreat in the Baltimore Sun on Wednesday: "Top Republican congressional leaders and senior White House aides will gather today at a resort on Maryland's Eastern Shore for a private, two-day retreat."

Shaw reported that everyone was to stay at the Inn at Perry Cabin in St. Michaels. "The nonprofit Congressional Institute is picking up the tab for the stay. Double rooms for tonight cost $165 to $295, according to the hotel's Web site."
About the Congressional Institute

So who are these guys who are picking up the tab?

John Stanton wrote in National Journal's CongressDaily (subscription required) back in May: "Since 1987, the nonprofit Congressional Institute has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars provided by lobbyists and their clients to send lawmakers and their staff to the annual GOP leadership, chief of staff and bicameral retreats.

"And the Institute has worked with the House and Senate Republican Conferences to set up retreat agendas, develop discussion materials for members and select speakers at the tightly controlled meetings, according to federal campaign finance records and interviews with current and former congressional aides. . . .

"The Institute's board is made up of a group of Washington lobbyists that includes Duberstein Group's Dan Meyer, General Motors' Kenneth Cole, David Bockorny of Bergner, Bockorny, Castagnetti, Hawkins & Brain, Dukto Group's Gary Andres and Ernst & Young's Bruce Gates -- many of whom also have longstanding Capitol Hill ties. Meyer, for example, served as former House Speaker Gingrich's chief of staff. . . .

"According to the group's tax returns for 2002 and 2003, the Institute had about 40 donors who gave a total of about $2.3 million each year. Most of those donors are represented by one or more members of the Institute's board -- including UPS, SBC Communications, Verizon and Union Pacific Corp.. . . .

"Although the group is nominally nonpartisan and non-political, the arrangement between the Republican establishment and the Congressional Institute is close enough to give pause to veteran campaign finance observers."

Also in May, Wes Allison of the St. Petersburg Times quoted Frances Hill, a national expert in tax-exempt organizations at the University of Miami, saying: "The question then is: Is there an organization there at all, that really is a properly organized and operated tax-exempt organization, or is it a mere conduit that's just been created to interpose something between the lobbyist and the member of Congress?

"It's one thing to have an organization that has its own purposes and diverse sources of funding and its own programs. But if you've got this shell in the middle, is that a different case? And how do we know?"
Watchdog Report

Michael J. Sniffen writes for the Associated Press: "Companies lobbying government, colleges seeking star speakers and groups eager for information or face time paid for $2.3 million in trips over six years for White House officials, a watchdog organization reported Wednesday. . . .

"More than 620 White House aides took free trips between late 1998 and late 2004 to speak to conferences in Paris, Rome and other foreign capitals, Hawaii and Florida, ski resorts in Colorado and Switzerland. Of course, less exotic locales, like Detroit, Cleveland and Oklahoma City, also were among more than 350 destinations."

Here's the report, from the Center for Public Integrity .
Plame Watch

After The Washington Post's Jim VandeHei wrote on Tuesday that Karl Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, apparently considered Time reporter Viveca Novak's upcoming testimony key to clearing Rove's name, I asked in my column : "What could Novak possibly know that is exculpatory for Rove? I can't even imagine."

Yesterday, Jane Hamsher of the firedoglake blog floated a plausible scenario: "Rumor has it that in May of 2004 when Cooper and Russert were first subpoenaed, 'inveterate gossip' Viveca knew that Matt Cooper's source was Karl Rove and she just happened to mention it to her buddy Luskin. Luskin is now claiming that this surprise revelation to his memory-challenged client is what prompted them to go hunting through his emails. . . ."

And by golly, Richard W. Stevenson and Douglas Jehl write in today's New York Times: "Mr. Rove's lawyer, Robert D. Luskin, spoke in the summer or early fall of 2004 with Viveca Novak, a reporter for Time. In that conversation, Mr. Luskin heard from Ms. Novak that a colleague at the magazine, Matthew Cooper, might have interviewed Mr. Rove about the C.I.A. officer at the heart of the case, the people said. . . .

"[A]fter his conversation with Ms. Novak, who is not related to the columnist, Mr. Luskin asked Mr. Rove to have the White House search for any record of a discussion between Mr. Rove and Mr. Cooper around the time that Ms. Wilson's identity became public in July 2003.

"The search turned up an e-mail message from Mr. Rove to another senior White House official, Stephen J. Hadley, who was the deputy national security adviser, that recounted a conversation between Mr. Rove and Mr. Cooper. On Oct. 14, 2004, Mr. Rove went before the grand jury again to alter his earlier account, by saying he had also discussed the C.I.A. officer with Mr. Cooper. . . .

"But Mr. Fitzgerald appears to be evaluating whether Mr. Rove came forward with the e-mail and his new testimony only after it became apparent that Mr. Cooper might be compelled to testify about it. It is not clear precisely what Ms. Novak told Mr. Luskin, or what the context for their conversation had been."
Arkin Asks

Washingtonpost.com's national security blogger William Arkin regularly raises really interesting questions. Here he is on Bush's Iraq strategy: "Look, it is the President who insists on labeling Iraq as 'the central front in the global war on terror,' as 'an essential element in the long war against the ideology that breeds international terrorism.' He says that 'the fate of the greater Middle East -- which will have a profound and lasting impact on American security -- hangs in the balance.' I don't buy either of these assumptions, but if the administration is serious in its rhetoric, isn't it strange that they are now saying that they are willing to leave Iraq before the insurgency is 'defeated,' that they are willing to entrust the security of THE UNITED STATES to a brand new, unknown, unproven, untested Iraqi military and police force?"
Krugman Says

Paul Krugman writes in his New York Times opinion column (subscription required) that the White House's " National Strategy for Victory in Iraq " is "an important test for the news media. The Bush administration has lost none of its confidence that it can get away with fuzzy math and fuzzy facts -- that it won't be called to account for obvious efforts to mislead the public. It's up to journalists to prove that confidence wrong. . . .

"Are the news media still too cowed, too addicted to articles that contain little more than dueling quotes to tell the public when the administration is saying things that aren't true? Or has the worm finally turned?"

I guess Krugman wasn't sufficiently impressed with the fact-checking I chronicled in my column yesterday .
Rosa Parks and the Voting Rights Act

Jennifer Loven writes for the Associated Press: "While honoring civil rights hero Rosa Parks, President Bush on Thursday delighted modern-day black leaders by calling on Congress to renew the provisions of the landmark 1965 Voting Rights Act that are set to expire. . . .

"That declaration surprised many of the civil rights leaders, Parks relatives and politicians who had gathered at the White House for the signing ceremony. They erupted in applause and rose to give Bush a standing ovation.

"The Rev. Jesse Jackson lavishly praised Bush for committing to seeing the expiring portions of the Voting Rights Act extended. He called the president's public urging 'a significant breakthrough' since he had previously declined even in private to support the renewal."

Here is the text of Bush's remarks.
Cheney Watch

Apparently, the safety zone for Vice President Cheney doesn't extend very far beyond military installations and GOP fundraisers either. (See my Tuesday column about Bush's safety zone.)

Cheney's next public appearance? Next Tuesday, he travels to the U.S. Army garrison at Fort Drum in upstate New York to give a speech to the 42nd Infantry Division and the 10th Mountain Division.
Jury Duty

Tommy Witherspoon broke the big story in the Waco Tribune-Herald yesterday: "McLennan County officials are waiting for Crawford resident George W. Bush, potential juror number 286, to respond to a summons to report Monday for jury duty. . . .

"The last time Bush's jury duty surfaced in news media accounts sparked controversy involving several questions on his juror questionnaire that were left blank, including a question about previous arrests."

Ralph Blumenthal writes today in the New York Times: "There was a scheduling conflict, so a certain McLennan County rancher will not show up Monday in Waco for jury duty after all.

"'The president has other commitments,' said the White House spokesman, Scott McClellan.

"No problem, said Judge Ralph T. Strother of State District Court, though President Bush's name had popped up on a random list of Texans summoned for jury service. Judge Strother said he had now given Mr. Bush, who owns a 1,600-acre ranch outside Crawford, a choice of six other dates from January to June 2006."
Who's the Humble Man?

Bush made brief remarks last night at the Pageant of Peace, before lighting the National Christmas Tree.

"Each year, we gather here to celebrate the season of hope and joy -- and to remember the story of one humble life that lifted the sights of humanity," Bush said, barely pausing before moving on to: "Santa, thanks for coming."
Christmas Under Siege

Americans United for Separation of Church and State notes in a press release: "The Rev. Jerry Falwell and his Religious Right cohorts have been complaining for weeks now about government agencies and store clerks saying 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas' but it looks like Falwell forgot to tell President George W. Bush, First Lady Laura Bush and the Republican National Committee about the preferred religiously correct greeting.

"The White House's 2005 holiday card is just out, and it doesn't mention the word "Christmas" once.

"The card, mailed under the auspices of the Republican National Committee and signed by the president and his wife, reads, 'With best wishes for a holiday season of hope and happiness 2005.' "
Late Night Humor

From "The Tonight Show With Jay Leno":

"Did you hear this rumor? According to a new report out of England, one of those English newspapers said that President Bush had plans to bomb the al-Jazeera TV network. Yeah. But that was met with disagreement by Dick Cheney, who wanted to bomb CNN instead."
 

MPs leaked Bush plan to hit al-Jazeera
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1682258,00.html?gusrc=rss
· Transcript of meeting with Blair passed to US contact
· Official and aide already charged over document

David Leigh and Richard Norton-Taylor
Monday January 9, 2006
The Guardian

Two Labour MPs have defied the Official Secrets Act by passing on the contents of a secret British document revealing how President George Bush wanted to bomb the Arabic TV station, al-Jazeera.

The document, a transcript of a meeting between Mr Bush and Tony Blair in April 2004 when the prime minister expressed concern about US military tactics in Iraq, is already the subject of an unprecedented official secrets prosecution in Britain, against an aide to one of the MPs and another man.

David Keogh, a Cabinet Office employee, is charged with leaking information damaging to international relations to Leo O'Connor, researcher to Tony Clarke, former MP for Northampton South. The two are due to appear in court tomorrow for committal hearings.

The information was then acquired by Mr Clarke, who in turn consulted his parliamentary colleague, Peter Kilfoyle. The two politicians decided to pass on the information to a contact in the US.

Mr Kilfoyle, MP for Liverpool Walton and a former defence minister, said last night: "It's very odd we haven't been prosecuted. My colleague Tony Clarke is guilty of discussing it with me and I have discussed it with all and sundry."

Asked if he had broken the act in the same alleged way as Mr Clarke's aide who is facing charges, he said: "I don't know. But I'd be very pleased if Her Majesty's finest approached me about it."

The two MPs decided in October 2004 to reveal the contents of the transcript of the Blair-Bush meeting to John Latham, a Democrat supporter living in San Diego, California. They hoped to influence the impending 2004 US election, Mr Kilfoyle said.

In San Diego, Mr Latham, 71, a retired electrical engineer and a "contributing member" to the Democrat National Committee, told the Guardian that the MPs also wanted him to send letters with the information to newspapers in Los Angeles and New York. At a meeting at the House of Commons, he had been introduced to Mr Clarke by Mr Kilfoyle. Mr Latham, a British expatriate, and Mr Kilfoyle had attended the same school.

Mr Latham said he had never met Mr Clarke before. He added: "He mentioned that the document was a transcript of a meeting in Washington DC between Bush and Blair. There had been a proposal to take military action against al-Jazeera at their headquarters in Qatar. This was defused by Colin Powell, US secretary of state, and Tony Blair."

Mr Latham decided not to write to US newspapers at the time, in October 2004. As a result, details of the Washington meeting between Mr Bush and Mr Blair remained secret for more than a year
. Within days of the charges being brought against Mr Keogh and Mr O'Connor, the contents of the memo were, however, passed on again, this time to the Daily Mirror, which put them on its front page.

Lord Goldsmith, the attorney general, unsuccessfully threatened other newspapers with the Official Secrets Act if they re-published the contents of the document.

Mr Kilfoyle told the Guardian that in May 2004, Mr Clarke - still a Labour MP - consulted him after he had received the transcript of the Bush-Blair meeting revealing Mr Bush's wish to bomb al-Jazeera.

"He told me what was in it," said Mr Kilfoyle. "He agonised and was very nervous. He decided the right thing to do was to return it." It was only after police arrested Mr O'Connor - Mr Clarke's aide - that the two politicians decided they should try to reveal the memo's contents in the US.

The Bush-Blair meeting took place when Whitehall officials, intelligence officers, and British military commanders were expressing outrage at the scale of the US assault on the Iraqi city of Falluja, in which up to 1,000 civilians are feared to have died. Pictures of the attack shown on al-Jazeera had infuriated US generals. London was also arguing with Washington about the number of extra British troops to be sent to Iraq.


A second, Foreign Office document, separately leaked in May 2004, exposed misgivings within the British government over America's "heavy-handed" behaviour and tactics in Iraq. That memo said: "Heavy-handed US military tactics in Falluja and Najaf some weeks ago have fuelled both Sunni and Shi'ite opposition to the coalition, and lost us much public support inside Iraq."
Kudos to the British heros!
 
Update!!!!

Al Jazeera is seeking the memo via a British version of FOIA. This can't be good for Bush.

Yahoo story

CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Jazeera has hired a British law firm to request a partial transcript of a conversation in which
President Bush allegedly told British Prime Minister
Tony Blair that the Arab broadcaster's headquarters should be bombed.

Yosri Fouda, acting Al-Jazeera bureau chief in London, told The Associated Press the network had hired Finers Stephens Innocent LLP in an "attempt to put pressure on the British government" to hand over part of the record of the conversation between Bush and Blair.

"We would like to know the truth," Fouda said in a telephone interview Tuesday.

Fouda said the Doha, Qatar-based Al-Jazeera was only asking Blair for a transcript of "the ten lines" of the conversation that purportedly involved the network, which is highly popular throughout the Middle East. He acknowledged that Britain's desire to keep the rest of the conversation secret was understandable as a matter of state security.

Blair's spokesman said the prime minister's office would reply to the freedom of information request within 20 working days, Press Association reported Tuesday. The spokesman said details of private conversations between Blair and Bush or "any other world leaders" would not be disclosed.

"But what we can confirm is that the memo doesn't refer to bombing the Al-Jazeera television station in Qatar" or any other place, the spokesman said on condition of anonymity according to government policy.

Fouda said the law firm made the request Jan. 12.

News of Bush's alleged remarks during a White House meeting with Blair on April 16, 2004, were first reported by the British Daily Mirror tabloid in late November. The newspaper said the remarks were detailed in a leaked secret British government memo.

According to the newspaper, Blair argued against Bush's suggestion.

The Daily Mirror reported that its sources disagreed on whether Bush was serious about the bombing comment.

At the time, White House spokesman Scott McClellan called the newspaper's claims "outlandish and inconceivable."

On Jan. 10, a judge ordered two British men to stand trial on charges of leaking the memo.
 
Heh, so you bumped my long-dormant topic. Thanks for the new info. We'll see if it goes anywhere. As I said back in July, I do think Bush was serious.
 
Open your eyes sheeple.

Watch Control Room, which was praised as one of the top documentaries of 2004.

The US government has an obvious grudge with al-Jazeera. Unlike American media, they don't enjoy being spoon-fed US propaganda at military "press conferences", and they were critical of what the US was doing in Iraq during the invasion. Yes, the US did target and kill an al-Jazeera employee covering the invasion live as it happened. Wonder what the US government didn't want the world to see?
 
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