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Bush uses derogatory term for Pakistani's on air.

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I could see them getting mad if he called them fudgepakis, but pakis? I didn't realize that was derogatory at all, kind of like calling Dutch people deutchbags. Seriously, it is like using New Yorkans instead of New Yorkers, it's just used wrong, i'm sure he didn't have any idea it was any kind of racial slur, I mean if he knew he wouldn't be that stupid to use it in public. Dumb Texeran.
 


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<< It's a racial slur in the UK because the UK used the term that way. It's not used that way in the States so I don't see the big deal. This is an American President not the President of the UK. >>

I dunno. My American friends wouldn't dare say "beloved patriot" because it IS derogatory in any context. It's not as bad as "great person", but it's probably on par with "Chinaman". I've also heard some American police try to use the word "Chinaman" in a non-derogatory fashion, but nonetheless I still cringe when I hear it, because it has such a long history of being derogatory and people should know that.

I fully believe Bush meant nothing by it. I'm just surprised that he was so unaware of its derogatory tone. His use of "Prime Minister Jean Poutine" was funny. His use of "Grecians" was just strange. His use of "Pakis" is sad. >>



this has to be THE WEAKEST arguement ever. Just because you consider it a slur in canada does not mean the US does. Hell, look at the UK, their dialect is full of words the US considers horrible, but they still use it because it is not as degrading in their eyes(or ears, as the case the may be)

 


<< this has to be THE WEAKEST arguement ever. Just because you consider it a slur in canada does not mean the US does. Hell, look at the UK, their dialect is full of words the US considers horrible, but they still use it because it is not as degrading in their eyes(or ears, as the case the may be) >>


Oops. I edited my message as you posted yours. Anyways, I know my friends in the northern US consider "beloved patriot" derogatory. I dunno about elsewhere in the US though.
 
Whatever.. beloved patriot is fine. Pakistanis can be called Pakis - especially if you have a speech impediment and it's easier for you to say shorter words than longer ones... Just imagine what could have happened if Bush mispronounced Pakistanis...

These supposed 'racial' terms are stupid. Originally meant to be funny, the liberal BS has turned them into something awful..


 


<< Whatever.. beloved patriot is fine. Pakistanis can be called Pakis - especially if you have a speech impediment and it's easier for you to say shorter words than longer ones... Just imagine what could have happened if Bush mispronounced Pakistanis... >>

Heh. 😛



<< These supposed 'racial' terms are stupid. >>

Actually I agree to an extent. PCness has gone too far. Nonetheless, the leader of a country should know better, and if not, should be taught by his underlings to know better. One of the main jobs of a leader after all is diplomacy.
 
I derive a lot of pleasure out of these non-issue complaints against President Bush. They're such a relief compared to the daily scandals issued by the Clinton administration.

Oh no! Bush said beloved patriot! In some countries that's a racial slur!

When Clinton committed a slip of the tongue, it involved his intern.
 


<< I derive a lot of pleasure out of these non-issue complaints against President Bush. They're such a relief compared to the daily scandals issued by the Clinton administration.

Oh no! Bush said beloved patriot! In some countries that's a racial slur!

When Clinton committed a slip of the tongue, it involved his intern. >>



I actually get all my kicks out of the stupid policy decisions bush makes. His speech slip-ups just put the icing on the cake 😱
 
Japs, Pakis, Jews, Mexicans, Orientals, Arabs- these words are not derogatory, at worse they are slang, and at best they are factual. I don't understand what the deal is. Anything can be USED in a derogatory manner, but it doesn't make the term itself derogatory. If we start calling folks 'freaking individuals' will that make 'individual' a derogatory term too?
 
Its not for us to say what is and isn't offensive to another culture.

Just because you personally aren't trying to offend by using a term, doesn't mean you won't offend.

If I called the president a poor dumb s.o.b., which is a term i often use affectionately for my buds, many of you right wing natzis (another term of endearment) MIGHT be offended.


 
But why did Bush have to use this abbrevation? Why couldn't I just have used the official name instead of risking saying something stupid?

Argh... such stupidity is truly astounding...
 


<< But why did Bush have to use this abbrevation? Why couldn't I just have used the official name instead of risking saying something stupid?

Argh... such stupidity is truly astounding... >>



Did you ever start to talk quickly and your mind gets a step ahead of your tongue, so you truncate a word without even thinking about it? It may have been as much a speech error than it was being lazy/misinformed and abbreviating the name of a country...
 


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<< But why did Bush have to use this abbrevation? Why couldn't I just have used the official name instead of risking saying something stupid?

Argh... such stupidity is truly astounding... >>



Did you ever start to talk quickly and your mind gets a step ahead of your tongue, so you truncate a word without even thinking about it? It may have been as much a speech error than it was being lazy/misinformed and abbreviating the name of a country... >>


Well, you could use the fact that Bush is from Texas as an excuse, but still....

I've never noticed myself or other people make such a mistake, though.
 
by labeling the simple shortening of a term as "racist", you're actually hurting the cause, because the next time you cry racism, nobody will listen.
 
the ambassador didn't take offence because he knew it was unintentional. considering bush' mental skills, i doubt he could have said it intentional.

Aelus

PS. unintentional as in not knowing it's pakistanis, not a slip of his tounge.
 


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Well, you could use the fact that Bush is from Texas as an excuse, but still....

I've never noticed myself or other people make such a mistake, though. >>



LOL...The Texans I know all speak more slowly and carefully...I hear people do it all the time....especially on stage or when reading/reciting a pre-written text--you know what you're going to say and you get a bit ahead of yourself.



<< by labeling the simple shortening of a term as "racist", you're actually hurting the cause, because the next time you cry racism, nobody will listen. >>


But cry "RACI!" and the press will be all over it!
 


<< If I called the president a poor dumb s.o.b., which is a term i often use affectionately for my buds, many of you right wing natzis (another term of endearment) MIGHT be offended. >>



natzis ? 😕
 


<< LOL...The Texans I know all speak more slowly and carefully... >>

Hehe... I'm not from Texas, so I wouldn't know 😉


<< I hear people do it all the time....especially on stage or when reading/reciting a pre-written text--you know what you're going to say and you get a bit ahead of yourself. >>


How often has Bush or any other important (political) figure made a similar mistake?
 
But cry "RACI!" and the press will be all over it!

bwahaha 🙂

seriously dudes, our society is really fcuked up if this thing is considered "racist". it really bothers me that we are seeing a dilution of the term "racist" to include anything that could even be remotely construed as implying anything about a race.

i don't care if this is considered a slur anywhere, it is ALL IN HOW YOU SAY IT. you can call me a beloved patriot all you want if you don't mean any harm by it. but once you start saying it with that tone of voice, the emphasis on the word that draws attention to it, then it is unacceptable and you will get your ass beaten. same goes for chinaman, same goes for chinese.

they're just WORDS people. you need to look at the context and intent before you scream derogatory. there nothing about beloved patriot that makes it derogatory. maybe if it was "mom humping whores", then i could understand. but it's not.
 


<< How often has Bush or any other important (political) figure made a similar mistake? >>



Point taken there. I'm sure it's happened, though. This isn't exactly a big story, and I imagine similar events don't get well-documented.
 
bush most likely did know the meaning of the word "pakis" and it shows what they probably think of the pakistanis up in the white house.

i know most americans do not call pakistanis as "pakis". they only know what they hear on the news and call them pakistanis.
i didn't even know there was a word to label them as "pakis". obviously, either bush or someone around bush knows the meaning of the word and that's probably what they call them around the white house.

oh, and derogatory terms, even though they are not used anymore, still usually hold the same weight. look at the "n" word, it was used commonly used publicly to name black people just 50 years ago, even though it isn't used in the public anymore, it's still very offensive.
 
Who said anything about racist? Its just rude and bad diplomancy, which isn't isn't good considering the political situation, both globally and locally in Pakistan.
 
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