Bush Tries To Eliminate Funding For CPB; House Overwhelmingly Says No

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The House on Wednesday evening overwhelmingly rejected President Bush's plan to eliminate the $420 million federal subsidy for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

The 357-72 vote demonstrated the enduring political strength of public broadcasting. The outcome was never in doubt, unlike a fight two years ago when Republicans tried but failed to slash public broadcasting subsidies.

The move to kill subsidies for the CPB, which make up about 15 percent of its budget, was launched by Rep. Doug Lamborn, R-Colorado.

"Taxpayers are being asked to pay more in taxes because Congress is not willing to make hard choices and balance our spending with our income," Lamborn said.

Congress created the corporation in 1967 to shield public broadcasting from political influence. The CPB distributes federal subsidies to PBS, National Public Radio and hundreds of public radio and television stations.

"It is providing a voice for America, a noncommercial, independent voice that is sadly lacking. It isn't available any place else in the million channels on our cable networks," said Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Oregon.

The vote came as the House for a second day debated a huge spending bill funding job training, education and health programs.

The underlying bill provides about $152 billion next year for programs whose budgets are set at lawmakers' discretion each year.

Among the largest increases is $2.2 billion to finance an increase of $260 in the maximum Pell Grant for college students.

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Public broadcasting is something we all should cherish. Programs like "Bill Moyers Journal" and "The News Hour" give us a real fair and balanced look at our world, unlike nearly every effort from the mainstream network/cable news media. I'm glad the House took a firm stand to protect the free flow of public opinion, even if it's often critical of our government.
 

sandorski

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PBS is the best TV station in North America IMO. Even Canadians help financially to support it. From News to Educational programming it's top notch.
 
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Public broadcasting is something we all should cherish. Programs like "Bill Moyers Journal" and "The News Hour" give us a real fair and balanced look at our world, unlike nearly every effort from the mainstream network/cable news media. I'm glad the House took a firm stand to protect the free flow of public opinion, even if it's often critical of our government.

If it's a good show it will survive commercially somewhere else. CPB has outlived its usefulness. It was created at a time when all you had was CBS, NBC and ABC. Now we have a brazillion channels, tons of independent programming... I say kill it.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Public broadcasting is something we all should cherish. Programs like "Bill Moyers Journal" and "The News Hour" give us a real fair and balanced look at our world, unlike nearly every effort from the mainstream network/cable news media. I'm glad the House took a firm stand to protect the free flow of public opinion, even if it's often critical of our government.

If it's a good show it will survive commercially somewhere else. CPB has outlived its usefulness. It was created at a time when all you had was CBS, NBC and ABC. Now we have a brazillion channels, tons of independent programming... I say kill it.

Brazillion Channels of crap.
 
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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Public broadcasting is something we all should cherish. Programs like "Bill Moyers Journal" and "The News Hour" give us a real fair and balanced look at our world, unlike nearly every effort from the mainstream network/cable news media. I'm glad the House took a firm stand to protect the free flow of public opinion, even if it's often critical of our government.

If it's a good show it will survive commercially somewhere else. CPB has outlived its usefulness. It was created at a time when all you had was CBS, NBC and ABC. Now we have a brazillion channels, tons of independent programming... I say kill it.

Brazillion Channels of crap.

:laugh: "IF IT'S NOT CPB, IT'S CRAP! 'EAD! MOVE!" /Michael Myers

Please...
 

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CPB is still the "Crown Jewel" of American broadcasting.

Lest anyone forgot, Ken Tomlinson almost pulled this off from within a couple of years ago.

 

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Public broadcasting is something we all should cherish. Programs like "Bill Moyers Journal" and "The News Hour" give us a real fair and balanced look at our world, unlike nearly every effort from the mainstream network/cable news media. I'm glad the House took a firm stand to protect the free flow of public opinion, even if it's often critical of our government.

If it's a good show it will survive commercially somewhere else. CPB has outlived its usefulness. It was created at a time when all you had was CBS, NBC and ABC. Now we have a brazillion channels, tons of independent programming... I say kill it.

We can have "The news Hour" now with 1000% more paris hilton.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Public broadcasting is something we all should cherish. Programs like "Bill Moyers Journal" and "The News Hour" give us a real fair and balanced look at our world, unlike nearly every effort from the mainstream network/cable news media. I'm glad the House took a firm stand to protect the free flow of public opinion, even if it's often critical of our government.

If it's a good show it will survive commercially somewhere else. CPB has outlived its usefulness. It was created at a time when all you had was CBS, NBC and ABC. Now we have a brazillion channels, tons of independent programming... I say kill it.

Brazillion Channels of crap.

:laugh: "IF IT'S NOT CPB, IT'S CRAP! 'EAD! MOVE!" /Michael Myers

Please...

Closer to the truth than not. PBS is far more consistently good compared to practically any other channel.
 
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If they actually cared about spending and budget let them drop corporate bailouts, stop having illegal/immoral wars, quit awarding exorbitant contracts to Halliburton, lower politician incomes, quit giving tax breaks to those that don't need them, etc.
 

Jhhnn

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$420M? Heck, that'll fund maybe three days' occupation of Iraq...

How about a little bit of *perspective* from the wingers, rather than the usual mock-piety about fiscal responsibility?

They've sought to silence NPR for decades, because the Truth is the enemy of the State, at least the State they want, anyway...
 

Hacp

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I can't believe that the 72 representatives want to eliminate funding for things like PBS. What do they want our children to watch? Faux Noise?
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Hacp
I can't believe that the 72 representatives want to eliminate funding for things like PBS. What do they want our children to watch? Faux Noise?

"Facts have a Liberal bias!" S Colbert
 

ProfJohn

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Did you ever notice how many PBS kids shows have toys related to them?
Where is all the money from the sale of the toys going? Could it not go to fund the network? (At least the kids part)

What would really suffer without the money would be the evening shows that no one watches. Masterpiece theater and the like.
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Did you ever notice how many PBS kids shows have toys related to them?
Where is all the money from the sale of the toys going? Could it not go to fund the network? (At least the kids part)

What would really suffer without the money would be the evening shows that no one watches. Masterpiece theater and the like.

Wide Angle and Nova are really informative.
 
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Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Did you ever notice how many PBS kids shows have toys related to them?
Where is all the money from the sale of the toys going? Could it not go to fund the network? (At least the kids part)

What would really suffer without the money would be the evening shows that no one watches. Masterpiece theater and the like.

Wide Angle and Nova are really informative.

Frontline is also fantastic, and the Newshour is the best TV news program in existence.
 

ProfJohn

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I think if they were to ditch Frontline, the Newhours and other news programs they would be less likely to face a funding cut off.
This is because the right looks at those programs and finds bias in them

The same thing with their morning radio show, which I listened to when I had a long commute. It? very informative and covers a lot of stuff the MSM doesn?t touch, but the human interest stories are so slanted in one direction that it almost makes you sick.

But understand that if you are a liberal you are less likely to notice this bias because they are repeating your beliefs, and everyone likes to think of themselves as middle of the road. Just like I can watch Fox and think they are dead on with their reporting, and turn to CNN and wonder what the hell they are saying.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think if they were to ditch Frontline, the Newhours and other news programs they would be less likely to face a funding cut off.
This is because the right looks at those programs and finds bias in them

The same thing with their morning radio show, which I listened to when I had a long commute. It? very informative and covers a lot of stuff the MSM doesn?t touch, but the human interest stories are so slanted in one direction that it almost makes you sick.

But understand that if you are a liberal you are less likely to notice this bias because they are repeating your beliefs, and everyone likes to think of themselves as middle of the road. Just like I can watch Fox and think they are dead on with their reporting, and turn to CNN and wonder what the hell they are saying.

Just because you/the Right don't like what you hear, doesn't mean there is a bias.
 

Triumph

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Bush is a loser and I like PBS, but at the same time, you can't have your cake and eat it too. I want a balanced budget, and cuts have to made somewhere. I wouldn't call this an attempt to "muzzle free speech." :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: Triumph
Bush is a loser and I like PBS, but at the same time, you can't have your cake and eat it too. I want a balanced budget, and cuts have to made somewhere. I wouldn't call this an attempt to "muzzle free speech." :roll:
Give our boys in Iraq a weekend off for R&R; that should cover the shortfall, and then some (seeing as how we're spending $360 million every single day we're there).
 

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Feh. It's only news if it's run by wealthy conservatives, didn't you silly journalism appreciating liberals get that email?

Frontline, Nova, the NewsHour? Please. Why watch that crap when I can have my patriotic ego stroked whilst reading scrolling headlines that have nothing to do with real issues?

If subsidies reduction is suddenly important to this admin, there are dozens of others vastly more appropriate subsidies to go after - case in point the oil companies. We still subsidize the likes of Exxon/Mobil, you know, the corp who set the record for yearly profits in 05? What was it? 25billion? Heh, yeah, we have to rescue that 420million!!!!
Anyone thinking this attempt comes out of some desire for fiscal efficiency needs to lay off the paint chips... this is a battle to control information coming to the American populace, plain and simple. Kudos to the House for giving this pathetic president the finger!
 

alchemize

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OP's assertion is laughable. Bill Moyers is a well documented leftist partisan (as is the OP).

That being said, I love NPR and public TV and would be opposed to defunding it. We do have to start reducing our spending, but I think we could find a LOT of things to spend less money on first...
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Triumph
Bush is a loser and I like PBS, but at the same time, you can't have your cake and eat it too. I want a balanced budget, and cuts have to made somewhere. I wouldn't call this an attempt to "muzzle free speech." :roll:
Give our boys in Iraq a weekend off for R&R; that should cover the shortfall, and then some (seeing as how we're spending $360 million every single day we're there).

It's tiresome that OP always seems to go back to that same line. I just need to find a way to embezzle $350M from the federal treasury because, hey, that's a lot of money I'd really enjoy having, and we're spending more than that every single day in Iraq, so it's obviously no big loss to the gov't!! :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Did you ever notice how many PBS kids shows have toys related to them?
Where is all the money from the sale of the toys going? Could it not go to fund the network? (At least the kids part)

What would really suffer without the money would be the evening shows that no one watches. Masterpiece theater and the like.

Wide Angle and Nova are really informative.

Frontline is also fantastic, and the Newshour is the best TV news program in existence.

I love the McLaughlin group myself. They have a nice wide range of opinions from left to right.
 

kage69

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It's tiresome that OP always seems to go back to that same line. I just need to find a way to embezzle $350M from the federal treasury because, hey, that's a lot of money I'd really enjoy having, and we're spending more than that every single day in Iraq, so it's obviously no big loss to the gov't!!


Really? I find it tiresome that you're purposefully side-stepping his point whilst trying to contort his meaning.


Or, are you really just a little dense and didn't get it at all? I could be totally off base here, so please, by all means, feel free to elaborate on why the simple mathematics involved just doesn't matter to you.