dahunan
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Iraq handed over thousands of dosiers right before the war..... This is when Bush and Co. started creating false intel and trying to scare Senators with Iraq's drone planes and bioweapons... and Blair said that Iraq could attack Britain within 30 minutes....
There really wasn't a bluff... The cowboy chose not to believe Saddam and decided to MURDER 8000+ Iraqi Civilians - injure 9000 Americans, let another 500+ soldiers die in the sand and steal $100,000,000,000 from America
This war benefitted Israel tremendously..
Perle, Wolfowitz, and Feith are all Jewish and have significant ties to Israel.
There really wasn't a bluff... The cowboy chose not to believe Saddam and decided to MURDER 8000+ Iraqi Civilians - injure 9000 Americans, let another 500+ soldiers die in the sand and steal $100,000,000,000 from America
This war benefitted Israel tremendously..
Perle, Wolfowitz, and Feith are all Jewish and have significant ties to Israel.
- Oct 30, 2000
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What benift was the war to Israel, other than removing one of the enemies that was supporting the Palestinian militants?
Saddam was turning over documents at the last minute, however, some holes existed. It was interesting how more documents were produced every time the reterict was cranked up. He was playing for time and hoping that the international pressure to favor him.
Why the shell game with the inspectors over the past 10 years?
- Oct 30, 2000
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I have no interest in expanding a war or treating it like a card game. I have seen plenty of it and the results.
The card game was used as an analogy.
Saddam was playing a game that could have turned out deadly.
In WWII we told Japan that we had the bomb and would use it. They did not belive us or chose to call our hand.
We used it. Twice
Had we not had it and/or not used it, the cost of lives in terminating the Pacific war would have been staggering.
Saddam had been playing a bluff and in all probability was stalling for time. He had the WMD more than once and had demonstrated the ability to use them.
They have not have existed on the form that we expected, however, they could have been deadly. He had also provedn that he would back up his threats if he felt that it would pay off in his favor.
On the assumption that he did not have the capability that we thought (faulty/biased intelligence)
If we had sat on our hands, in all probability, he would have developed capabilites and eventually used them.
If he had not tried to play the shell game and stall tatics; there would have been less support and we may have not done anything - provided containment while Jordan/Syria broke the international blockade.
It is more like a car ignoring a stop sign and then complaining that semi ran into it. Had the car stopped, there would be no collision. Because driver chose to ignore the sign, damage is done on both sides, the semi is less damaged then the car.
- Oct 30, 2000
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This seems to be stretching it that the war was intended to benefit Israel. Israel may benifit from it as will a lot other other countries. I am sure that we went to war to benefit Turkey, Libya and Iran also.
Libya will start getting foriegn investments because they agreed to pay nice;
Iran no longer has to worry about an enemy ready to gas (WMD) its people and invade.
Turkey wanted the invasion to be able to collect $$$ from the US for use of its airspace.
The results of the Iraqi conflict affect many people. Had the results been different, (we not invaded or werre driven back), other countries would have benefited immensly with those scenarios.
It is all a matter of 20-20 hindsight and which spin one choses to apply to the circumstances.
ummm, i believe that saying that Bush murdered 8000+ Iraqi Civilians is a bit misleading. Bush did not target these civilians, they were [are] whats called collateral damage. It happens.
and its also a bit of a false statement to say that Bush stole $100,000,000,000 from America. Taxpayers pay to the govt, then the govt decides what to do with the money. Since the govt decided to go to war in Iraq, it was not theft, but fair usage.
not only that, but I fail to remember when Bush or Blair said anything about Iraq having drone planes.
Mean MrMustard
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- Jan 5, 2001
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However, it DOESN'T happen when you choose NOT to go to war. See, there's a difference between choosing to attack in a pre-emptive manner and defending yourself. Those people weren't simply going to die on their own, they first had to be bombed by the U.S. after Bush decided to start a war.
There's some pretty big holes in your recollection, aren't there?
Linky
UNMANNED AIRCRAFT
Powell showed video of an Iraqi F-1 Mirage jet spraying "simulated anthrax." He said four such spray tanks were unaccounted for, and Iraq was building small unmanned aircraft "well suited for dispensing chemical and biological weapons."
According to U.N. inspectors' reports, the video predated the 1991 Persian Gulf War, when the Mirage was said to have been destroyed, and three of the four spray tanks were destroyed in the 1990s.
No small drones or other planes with chemical-biological capability have been reported found in Iraq since the invasion. Iraq also gave inspectors details on its drone program, but the U.S. bombing intervened before U.N. teams could follow up.
Bowfinger
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In additon to Powell's comments before the U.N., Bush claimed Iraq had UAVs in his October 2002 Cincinnati speech:
Bush offered many other notable quotes that evening:
- "a massive stockpile of biological weapons"
- "thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, and VX nerve gas"
- "surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it has used to produce chemical and biological weapons"
- "We know that Iraq and al-Qaida have had high-level contacts that go back a decade."
- "We have learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaida members in bomb making, poisons, and deadly gases"
- "Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists"
- "Saddam Hussein is harboring terrorists and the instruments of terror, the instruments of mass death and destruction"
- "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahedeen" -- his nuclear holy warriors."
- "America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."
- "The world has tried limited military strikes to destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capabilities, only to see them openly rebuilt, while the regime again denies they even exist."
- "After eleven years during which we have tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons, and is increasing his capabilities to make more. And he is moving ever closer to developing a nuclear weapon."
Well to end it all, Bush totally lied about Iraq ever having WOMD. More proof he is the real scum of the earth.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3925358/
In my mind it would have been different if the US goal was to bring about positive change in Iraq with a new leader. What has happened though is little more than purgery against all the US population, Congress, and the senate. Not to mention the world. The UN was right about Iraq and the US was wrong. Iraq NEVER broke the UN resolution making the US action illegal. When it is all said and done Mr Bush isn't any better than Nixon was. Only no one has brought him to the carpet for what he has done, yet. Falsifying documents to obtain his own ends. I would rather have a pervert in office that keeps the peace and does his job, than what we have now. Little more than a blatent lier bent only for his own political goals. The only true justice would be to have interpol drive down and collect him in full chains to be tried in the world court. I don't see any difference between what he has done and the way north vietnam invaded south vietnam. We still haven't done good for the people of Iraq, little better than it is here in the states. No jobs, and lots of unrest.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3925358/
In my mind it would have been different if the US goal was to bring about positive change in Iraq with a new leader. What has happened though is little more than purgery against all the US population, Congress, and the senate. Not to mention the world. The UN was right about Iraq and the US was wrong. Iraq NEVER broke the UN resolution making the US action illegal. When it is all said and done Mr Bush isn't any better than Nixon was. Only no one has brought him to the carpet for what he has done, yet. Falsifying documents to obtain his own ends. I would rather have a pervert in office that keeps the peace and does his job, than what we have now. Little more than a blatent lier bent only for his own political goals. The only true justice would be to have interpol drive down and collect him in full chains to be tried in the world court. I don't see any difference between what he has done and the way north vietnam invaded south vietnam. We still haven't done good for the people of Iraq, little better than it is here in the states. No jobs, and lots of unrest.
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