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Bush to Propose Line-Item Veto Legislation

techs

Lifer
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060306/ap_...w_IE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-
President Bush plans to send proposed legislation to Congress on Monday that would allow him to control spending by vetoing specific items in larger bills, a Bush administration official said.

The president, who has not vetoed any legislation during five years in office, asked Congress in his State of the Union address to give him line-item veto power.

Bush plans to announce that the proposed bill is headed to Congress during his remarks at the morning swearing-in ceremony for the chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the announcement has not been made.

Both Republican and Democratic presidents have sought the power to eliminate a single item in a spending or tax bill without killing the entire measure.

President Clinton got that wish in 1996, when the new reform-minded Republican majority in the House helped pass a line-item veto law.

Two years later, the Supreme Court declared the law unconstitutional because it violated the principle that Congress, and not the executive branch, holds the power of the purse.



By giving the President the line item veto it will give the Executive far more power than the Constitution intended.
It would be almost impossible for Congress to actually retain control of the ability to pass laws.
Imagine Congress passed legislation on food safety and with in it was a law to test a food for a certain carcinogen. The President could just cut the line that provides funding for carrying out the test.
Now imagine a million line budget and the President vetoes 6000 lines. Now Congress must have 6000 votes on overiding every line.
Just what we need in America more Bush power to bankrupt us.
And its unconstitutional to boot.
Of course now with the Bush patsies on the Supreme Court no Presidential proposal may be un-constitutional.
 
It's not about VETO, it's about change the subject from Katrina, Iraq, and the rest of the Bush Disaster Presidency.
 
Remember righties, one day you may be saying that "Damned President H. Clinton used the line item again to cut out all (insert hot button topic of the day here) funding".
 
I don't understand the opposition here. The line item veto is the single most effective way to eliminate pork from spending bills. You can create any horror story scenario you want but the reality is that until certain parts of bills can be quashed without killing the entire bill, we're all going to be arguing over $400,000 outhouses in New England and $400 million bridges to nowhere.

The LIV seems like a basic, fundamental, tool for controlling pork and waste in congress.
 
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: zendari
Not a problem.
Of course not. You fully support fascism.

Guess Clinton was a fascist then. It was originally his idea.
which was originally struck down because it was a bad idea.

your point?

Plenty of good ideas were originally opposed before they became accepted practice, ie, ending slavery.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: zendari
Not a problem.
Of course not. You fully support fascism.

Guess Clinton was a fascist then. It was originally his idea.
which was originally struck down because it was a bad idea.

your point?

Plenty of good ideas were originally opposed before they became accepted practice, ie, ending slavery.
and plenty of bad ideas remain bad ideas ie you still posting here 🙂

 
Originally posted by: Todd33
I'm unclear how you can try the same thing twice if the SC already ruled?

the previous cases left certain outs.


anyway, congress loves the line item veto. they can pass as much pork as they want and not take any heat when it doesn't come back home.


edit: lots of states have line item vetos
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: zendari
Not a problem.
Of course not. You fully support fascism.

Guess Clinton was a fascist then. It was originally his idea.

I see your vacation wasn't spent researching anything.

The line-item veto, a pillar of the House Republicans' "Contract With America," passed both houses of Congress overwhelmingly and was signed into law in early 1996.

Which party controlled Congress at the time of this "overwhelming" passing Zen? Which party created this "Contract with America"?

Here's some background for you Zen:

Co-sponsers of the bill

Rep Armey, Richard K. [TX-26] - 5/24/1993
Rep Emerson, Bill [MO-8] - 5/12/1993
Rep King, Peter T. [NY-3] - 5/12/1993
Rep Manzullo, Donald A. [IL-16] - 6/29/1993
Rep Sensenbrenner, James, Jr. [WI-9] - 5/12/1993

Notice a pattern there? That was the earlier attempt by Repubs to get it passed. Thankfully, they were persistant and finally got it through in 1996 under the name The Line Item Veto Act of 1996".

Here is the list of co-sponsers the second time around:

Sponsor: Sen Dole, Robert J. [KS] (introduced 1/4/1995)

Sen Ashcroft, John [MO] - 1/4/1995
Sen Bond, Christopher S. [MO] - 1/4/1995
Sen Brown, Hank [CO] - 1/4/1995
Sen Burns, Conrad R. [MT] - 1/4/1995
Sen Chafee, John H. [RI] - 1/4/1995
Sen Coats, Daniel [IN] - 1/4/1995
Sen Coverdell, Paul [GA] - 1/4/1995
Sen Craig, Larry E. [ID] - 1/4/1995
Sen DeWine, Mike [OH] - 1/5/1995
Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA] - 1/13/1995
Sen Gramm, Phil [TX] - 1/4/1995
Sen Grams, Rod [MN] - 1/4/1995
Sen Gregg, Judd [NH] - 1/4/1995
Sen Helms, Jesse [NC] - 1/4/1995
Sen Inhofe, James M. [OK] - 1/4/1995
Sen Kassebaum, Nancy Landon [KS] - 1/4/1995
Sen Kempthorne, Dirk [ID] - 1/4/1995
Sen Kyl, Jon [AZ] - 1/4/1995
Sen Lott, Trent [MS] - 3/9/1995
Sen McCain, John [AZ] - 1/4/1995
Sen McConnell, Mitch [KY] - 1/4/1995
Sen Murkowski, Frank H. [AK] - 1/4/1995
Sen Nickles, Don [OK] - 1/4/1995
Sen Santorum, Rick [PA] - 1/4/1995
Sen Shelby, Richard C. [AL] - 1/4/1995
Sen Smith, Bob [NH] - 1/4/1995
Sen Snowe, Olympia J. [ME] - 1/12/1995
Sen Thomas, Craig [WY] - 1/19/1995
Sen Warner, John [VA] - 1/4/1995

Have you seen the pattern yet Zen?

Not to fret though Zen, it was challanged in court immediately upon Clinton signing it. There was a group of six Senators and Congressmen that felt it overstepped constitutional boundries. Just for the record, those six were:

Three of the Senators-Robert Byrd, Carl Levin, and Daniel Patrick Moynihan-are still Senators. The fourth-Mark Hatfield-retired at the end of the 104th Congress. The two Congressmen-David Skaggs and Henry Waxman-remain Congressmen.

Still not seeing the pattern yet Zen? I do. The pattern that I see is you are, like always, talking out of your arse and trying to blame Clinton for the Repub fvckups. Do yourself a favor and take a self-imposed vacation. It might be the only way to save your dignity.
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: zendari
Not a problem.

Will you still support it when there is a left wing president, and he's using his black marker to take conservative lines out of laws?

Dont'cha worry. That constitutional ammendment (to make Bush permanent king) will make sure such a heinous crime never happens.
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: zendari
Not a problem.

Will you still support it when there is a left wing president, and he's using his black marker to take conservative lines out of laws?

When congress originally voted it in there was a Dem in the white house. I supported it then and I support it now. There are quite a few governors out there that like it too. (They have that power)

Sometimes I think the left here is just reflexively tuned to jump out and oppose anything the Rs propose before they even evaluate the potential of the idea. Everybody on this board decries the waste and pork that is generated in congress. The LIV is the most basic, fundamental tool to combat that spending. Congress won't controll itself so why not install a check on unchecked spending?
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: zendari
Not a problem.

Will you still support it when there is a left wing president, and he's using his black marker to take conservative lines out of laws?

When congress originally voted it in there was a Dem in the white house. I supported it then and I support it now. There are quite a few governors out there that like it too. (They have that power)

Sometimes I think the left here is just reflexively tuned to jump out and oppose anything the Rs propose before they even evaluate the potential of the idea. Everybody on this board decries the waste and pork that is generated in congress. The LIV is the most basic, fundamental tool to combat that spending. Congress won't controll itself so why not install a check on unchecked spending?

The oval office cannot control itself either this time around. You do have a point that it was under a democrat that it first came under consideration. I personally like the idea of a president blotting out things like a bridge to nowhere, and other such pork, but it does have a lot of room for abuse. You are right the current dems have a problem opposing things just to spite the bush admin, but the reps have a problem with giving him almost everything he wants. both sides should be tried for treason as far as i'm concerned but that's another discussion.

 
You can fundamentally change laws by taking out a single line.
How about the Congress re-institute PAGO instead?
 
I used to support the concept of line item vetos. Then, while I lived in Wisconsin a govenor used this power to remove the word "not" from a bill before signing it, thus changing the intention of the law 180 degrees.

We don't need a stronger executive branch to clean up our federal budgeting process. We need real reform in the legislative branch to do this.
 
Could he change the constitution and allow him to be elected more than 2 times? If so why not. All hell to King George.
 
Originally posted by: Thump553
I used to support the concept of line item vetos. Then, while I lived in Wisconsin a govenor used this power to remove the word "not" from a bill before signing it, thus changing the intention of the law 180 degrees.

Wow. Thats pretty amazing!
 
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