DealMonkey
Lifer
No, it's more like free marriage-counseling for low-income couples.
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Bush to Promote Marriage in $1.5 Billion Plan, Report Says
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No, it's more like free marriage-counseling for low-income couples.
Pie in the Sky at this point.
Problem with scholarships is that many of the low income people have poor grades (due to weak background and unresponsive school systems).
The money would be better split by funding some into the school systems and the lower income families <$30K year.
Strengthen educational system -> Quality education -> Better jobs -> Family stability -> Community Responsibility => (perpetuating cycle) 😀
Man you guys a gullible.
Yes he has many proposels, space, amnesty, this, that, etc. Do you think Bush and Rove think these will pass congress? No, they dont, they are simply political moves. They propose these to tell certain groups they tried, but infact they really didnt do anything. They get credit for trying, and then can point fingers at the democrats.
Yes he has many proposels, space, amnesty, this, that, etc. Do you think Bush and Rove think these will pass congress? No, they dont, they are simply political moves. They propose these to tell certain groups they tried, but infact they really didnt do anything. They get credit for trying, and then can point fingers at the democrats.
DealMonkey
Lifer
Yes, they will pass in the R-controlled Congress. Unless the Dems fillibuster, which is unlikely unless it has something to do with appointing conservative judges...
Many of the ideas will not pass constitutional muster.
The Dems are not going to open the checkbook on their own, and many of the normal republicans are not going to accept the hijacking of the republican position on government by the ultras.
No sex please, you're American
The Bush administration is pouring millions of dollars into programmes that persuade teenagers to hold on to their virginity. And it's working. Suzanne Goldenberg reports
Monday September 8, 2003
The Guardian
It's a few minutes before showtime, and the air in the church hall has that slightly tingling sense of anticipation that often occurs in crowds of sweaty teenagers. The girls are tugging at their T-shirts and smoothing their hair, the boys laughing too loudly. They are here to spend the next few hours talking about sex. Then, they are going to declare in front of total strangers that they will swear off all forms of sex until they are married.
"I just want to wait until I meet the right person," says 16-year-old Lindsey Bocheck. "The world is so messed up as it is. Society wants you to be a whore basically."
Welcome to the world of teenage abstinence, a choice championed by the reigning Miss America and until recently (following her confessions about the true nature of her relationship with Justin Timberlake) Britney Spears, and embraced by some 2.5 million young people in the United States in the past decade. In an age obsessed with sex, they inhabit an interior universe where intercourse turns relationships stale and leads to break-ups, condoms don't work and those weak enough to have tried the pleasures of the flesh are inevitably sorry.
"You don't realise what you are doing until everything has changed," says 16-year-old John Wagster, peering earnestly through round glasses as he explains his decision to embrace chastity. "You are having oral sex, and you don't realise it's wrong. It's like eating Pringles. Once you start, you can't stop."
Only you can - or you should. At least that is the message heavily promoted by the Bush administration which has allocated $117m (£74m) for abstinence-only education for teenagers this year, and hopes to raise it to $135m.
The administration has also begun to preach the same gospel to adults, releasing funds to make the nation chaste. In June, the Department of Health and Human Services published a circular on funding for family planning projects for the poor. It said programmes with "extramarital abstinence education and counselling" were the highest priority.
The growing desire to remain a virgin, and the Bush government's eagerness to back programmes which would lead Americans to a biblical lifestyle, has alarmed organisations such as Planned Parenthood, and those who support sex education in schools. In a country where the teenage pregnancy rate is double that of Britain's, 35% of all school districts have replaced sex education with classes that focus solely on why not to have sex. During the last few years Planned Parenthood itself has been forced to mention abstinence as a strategy for avoiding pregnancy and disease.
For organisations such as the Silver Ring Thing, which hosts tonight's event, it is the only way. Since emerging in 1995 from Christian youth outreach programmes, Silver Ring Thing claims to have persuaded 14,000 young people to keep themselves pure until the day they wed. Since August, it has become impeccably situated to do so, after it received $700,000 (£443,000) from the US government, the largest such grant awarded.
etc.
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Personally I loved the 'Once you start you can't stop' bit 😛
The Bush administration is pouring millions of dollars into programmes that persuade teenagers to hold on to their virginity. And it's working. Suzanne Goldenberg reports
Monday September 8, 2003
The Guardian
It's a few minutes before showtime, and the air in the church hall has that slightly tingling sense of anticipation that often occurs in crowds of sweaty teenagers. The girls are tugging at their T-shirts and smoothing their hair, the boys laughing too loudly. They are here to spend the next few hours talking about sex. Then, they are going to declare in front of total strangers that they will swear off all forms of sex until they are married.
"I just want to wait until I meet the right person," says 16-year-old Lindsey Bocheck. "The world is so messed up as it is. Society wants you to be a whore basically."
Welcome to the world of teenage abstinence, a choice championed by the reigning Miss America and until recently (following her confessions about the true nature of her relationship with Justin Timberlake) Britney Spears, and embraced by some 2.5 million young people in the United States in the past decade. In an age obsessed with sex, they inhabit an interior universe where intercourse turns relationships stale and leads to break-ups, condoms don't work and those weak enough to have tried the pleasures of the flesh are inevitably sorry.
"You don't realise what you are doing until everything has changed," says 16-year-old John Wagster, peering earnestly through round glasses as he explains his decision to embrace chastity. "You are having oral sex, and you don't realise it's wrong. It's like eating Pringles. Once you start, you can't stop."
Only you can - or you should. At least that is the message heavily promoted by the Bush administration which has allocated $117m (£74m) for abstinence-only education for teenagers this year, and hopes to raise it to $135m.
The administration has also begun to preach the same gospel to adults, releasing funds to make the nation chaste. In June, the Department of Health and Human Services published a circular on funding for family planning projects for the poor. It said programmes with "extramarital abstinence education and counselling" were the highest priority.
The growing desire to remain a virgin, and the Bush government's eagerness to back programmes which would lead Americans to a biblical lifestyle, has alarmed organisations such as Planned Parenthood, and those who support sex education in schools. In a country where the teenage pregnancy rate is double that of Britain's, 35% of all school districts have replaced sex education with classes that focus solely on why not to have sex. During the last few years Planned Parenthood itself has been forced to mention abstinence as a strategy for avoiding pregnancy and disease.
For organisations such as the Silver Ring Thing, which hosts tonight's event, it is the only way. Since emerging in 1995 from Christian youth outreach programmes, Silver Ring Thing claims to have persuaded 14,000 young people to keep themselves pure until the day they wed. Since August, it has become impeccably situated to do so, after it received $700,000 (£443,000) from the US government, the largest such grant awarded.
etc.
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Personally I loved the 'Once you start you can't stop' bit 😛
DragonMasterAlex
Banned
Why does the mission to go to the moon only get ONE billion dollars while promotion of an act that people *already* do anyway gets a billion and a half?
Someone's priorities are *totally* screwed up.
Jason
Someone's priorities are *totally* screwed up.
Jason
"'You don't realise what you are doing until everything has changed,' says 16-year-old John Wagster, peering earnestly through round glasses as he explains his decision to embrace chastity. 'You are having oral sex, and you don't realise it's wrong. It's like eating Pringles. Once you start, you can't stop.'"
Hahahahaha, best quote of the week! Still, while I know that personal experience is far from scientific proof, in my life I've seen a lot of "no sex till marriage" from people who can't get anyone to have sex with them, and girls who profess abstinence because it's the proper thing for a girl to say and not seem slutty...and then have plenty of sex with their boyfriends. I really wouldn't voluntarily reported stats for something like this.
Hahahahaha, best quote of the week! Still, while I know that personal experience is far from scientific proof, in my life I've seen a lot of "no sex till marriage" from people who can't get anyone to have sex with them, and girls who profess abstinence because it's the proper thing for a girl to say and not seem slutty...and then have plenty of sex with their boyfriends. I really wouldn't voluntarily reported stats for something like this.
The deck is also stacked by the sponsors.
So are you saying that you are in favor of this plan by Bush to spend 1.5 Billion dollars that we don't have right now on "Promoting Marriage" ? The same can be applied to you if you are for Bush's big spending projects like this one and others that are a waste of money or are selling out U.S. workers, etc.... Especially when some lib calls for something just a frivolous. If you are claiming to be a true conservative then you should be ashamed and appalled by this administration's big budget spending programs/schemes and liberal foreign affair program that promotes nation building abroad but not at home where it's needed the most. Of course we all know that Bush and the neo-con's he surrounds himself with are not true conservatives when it comes to economic issues, foreign affairs or civil liberties. Take a look at Gores 2000 campaign speeches and debates against Bush and you quickly see that everything the Gore proposed ( save for the tax cuts and the striping away of civil liberties ) Bush has adopted in one way or another to the point of making of it being somewhat sad and disturbing for any true conservative.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
I guess you forgot to read the thread.
You can sit there and sputter on and on about whatever you wish, but unless you support real fiscal reform - any yapping about Bush's spending is meaningless. Are you people ready for real budget reform or are you paying it lip-service?
CkG
Thats the idea... make everyone think they're getting their slice of the pie, and Bush will be re-elected. Check out the senior drug benefit plan... A more contorted bill could hardly exist. It doesn't even start until 2006, afaik. But that won't stop Bush from claiming a platform of 'compassion' once again. And the funniest thing is that people will buy it.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!
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