BUSH TO HOLD NEWS CONFERENCE TODAY!!!!

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
For every one you kill, you create 10 more.

Get this through your head.

We've lost.

We've lost their hearts and minds. Children are throwing rocks at military and contractor trucks. They hate us. They placate our "elections" because they want us GONE.

Uh... thats just not the truth either. Have you been over there?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
For every one you kill, you create 10 more.

Get this through your head.

We've lost.

We've lost their hearts and minds. Children are throwing rocks at military and contractor trucks. They hate us. They placate our "elections" because they want us GONE.

Uh... thats just not the truth either. Have you been over there?

Bull f'in ******! Quit your filthy lying.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
For every one you kill, you create 10 more.

Get this through your head.

We've lost.

We've lost their hearts and minds. Children are throwing rocks at military and contractor trucks. They hate us. They placate our "elections" because they want us GONE.

Uh... thats just not the truth either. Have you been over there?

Bull f'in ******! Quit your filthy lying.

Wow, are you attempting to be serious? This is like trying to debate with cookie monster.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: BBond

I have been against the illegal, unprovoked, unnecessary invasion of Iraq right from the start. I was fully supportive of the invasion of Afghanistan and indeed wish that Bush had sent the force there to wipe out al Qaeda where they actually were instead of wasting all of these lives and hundreds of billions of dollars on his fool's errand in Iraq.

You didn't answer my question. Bush isn't triggering IED's to kill troops. Who is? Your going to tell me that those are just honest and normal citizen who just stumbled on explosives, and the knowledge to use them, who just really hate it when the US builds schools and whatnot?

The "insurgents" who are fighting Bush's illegal occupying force and the "terrorists" -- who WERE NOT PRESENT IN IRAQ PRIOR TO BUSH'S ILLEGAL INVASION -- are setting off IEDs.

It's simple. If Bush hadn't conducted his unprovoked invasion of Iraq neither of these two groups would be setting off bombs and, of course, if Bush hadn't lied to send them there, American troops wouldn't be dying.

So I did answer your question. You just don't have the common sense to understand cause and effect and, therefore, the answer.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: BBond

I have been against the illegal, unprovoked, unnecessary invasion of Iraq right from the start. I was fully supportive of the invasion of Afghanistan and indeed wish that Bush had sent the force there to wipe out al Qaeda where they actually were instead of wasting all of these lives and hundreds of billions of dollars on his fool's errand in Iraq.

You didn't answer my question. Bush isn't triggering IED's to kill troops. Who is? Your going to tell me that those are just honest and normal citizen who just stumbled on explosives, and the knowledge to use them, who just really hate it when the US builds schools and whatnot?

The "insurgents" who are fighting Bush's illegal occupying force and the "terrorists" -- who WERE NOT PRESENT IN IRAQ PRIOR TO BUSH'S ILLEGAL INVASION -- are setting off IEDs.

It's simple. If Bush hadn't conducted his unprovoked invasion of Iraq neither of these two groups would be setting off bombs and, of course, if Bush hadn't lied to send them there, American troops wouldn't be dying.

So I did answer your question. You just don't have the common sense to understand cause and effect and, therefore, the answer.

Sure I do. You read some liberal news media, slinging some coined phrases then get your manties in a bunch. Then scream like an idiot and refuse to believe anything else then whats stuck in your head. Cause and effect.

At least you arren't just tossing in straight up lies like Darkhawk.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: BBond

I have been against the illegal, unprovoked, unnecessary invasion of Iraq right from the start. I was fully supportive of the invasion of Afghanistan and indeed wish that Bush had sent the force there to wipe out al Qaeda where they actually were instead of wasting all of these lives and hundreds of billions of dollars on his fool's errand in Iraq.

You didn't answer my question. Bush isn't triggering IED's to kill troops. Who is? Your going to tell me that those are just honest and normal citizen who just stumbled on explosives, and the knowledge to use them, who just really hate it when the US builds schools and whatnot?

The "insurgents" who are fighting Bush's illegal occupying force and the "terrorists" -- who WERE NOT PRESENT IN IRAQ PRIOR TO BUSH'S ILLEGAL INVASION -- are setting off IEDs.

It's simple. If Bush hadn't conducted his unprovoked invasion of Iraq neither of these two groups would be setting off bombs and, of course, if Bush hadn't lied to send them there, American troops wouldn't be dying.

So I did answer your question. You just don't have the common sense to understand cause and effect and, therefore, the answer.

Sure I do. You read some liberal news media, slinging some coined phrases then get your manties in a bunch. Then scream like an idiot and refuse to believe anything else then whats stuck in your head. Cause and effect.

At least you arren't just tossing in straight up lies like Darkhawk.

so what else are we supposed to believe? that WMD are still in Iraq?

huh?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: BBond

I have been against the illegal, unprovoked, unnecessary invasion of Iraq right from the start. I was fully supportive of the invasion of Afghanistan and indeed wish that Bush had sent the force there to wipe out al Qaeda where they actually were instead of wasting all of these lives and hundreds of billions of dollars on his fool's errand in Iraq.

You didn't answer my question. Bush isn't triggering IED's to kill troops. Who is? Your going to tell me that those are just honest and normal citizen who just stumbled on explosives, and the knowledge to use them, who just really hate it when the US builds schools and whatnot?

The "insurgents" who are fighting Bush's illegal occupying force and the "terrorists" -- who WERE NOT PRESENT IN IRAQ PRIOR TO BUSH'S ILLEGAL INVASION -- are setting off IEDs.

It's simple. If Bush hadn't conducted his unprovoked invasion of Iraq neither of these two groups would be setting off bombs and, of course, if Bush hadn't lied to send them there, American troops wouldn't be dying.

So I did answer your question. You just don't have the common sense to understand cause and effect and, therefore, the answer.

Sure I do. You read some liberal news media, slinging some coined phrases then get your manties in a bunch. Then scream like an idiot and refuse to believe anything else then whats stuck in your head. Cause and effect.

At least you arren't just tossing in straight up lies like Darkhawk.

Straight up lies, eh? Gee, where are the flowers? Hmm?? '

Rev. Moon-owned Washington Times poll: 85% want us GONE. nearly 50% think it's OK to kill Americans.

If you support this war, you're aiding the insurgents and terrorists that are in Iraq right now and quite frankly, you're no better than them.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
For every one you kill, you create 10 more.

Get this through your head.

We've lost.

We've lost their hearts and minds. Children are throwing rocks at military and contractor trucks. They hate us. They placate our "elections" because they want us GONE.

Uh... thats just not the truth either. Have you been over there?

Bull f'in ******! Quit your filthy lying.

Wow, are you attempting to be serious? This is like trying to debate with cookie monster.

I don't debate with nasty, little, filthy liars. Not anymore.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Straight up lies, eh? Gee, where are the flowers? Hmm?? '

Rev. Moon-owned Washington Times poll: 85% want us GONE. nearly 50% think it's OK to kill Americans.

If you support this war, you're aiding the insurgents and terrorists that are in Iraq right now and quite frankly, you're no better than them.

To get matters straight, I'm not for or against the war. I'm a part of it, so it hits close to home.

And you are going to believe a washington times poll? Post the poll, and how it was taken please. Was it an online poll? Once again it is completely not fact, but you just dont want to hear it.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Straight up lies, eh? Gee, where are the flowers? Hmm?? '

Rev. Moon-owned Washington Times poll: 85% want us GONE. nearly 50% think it's OK to kill Americans.

If you support this war, you're aiding the insurgents and terrorists that are in Iraq right now and quite frankly, you're no better than them.

To get matters straight, I'm not for or against the war. I'm a part of it, so it hits close to home.

And you are going to believe a washington times poll? Post the poll, and how it was taken please. Was it an online poll? Once again it is completely not fact, but you just dont want to hear it.

You need to let us in on these little factoids of yours.
care to share what the facts are?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Straight up lies, eh? Gee, where are the flowers? Hmm?? '

Rev. Moon-owned Washington Times poll: 85% want us GONE. nearly 50% think it's OK to kill Americans.

If you support this war, you're aiding the insurgents and terrorists that are in Iraq right now and quite frankly, you're no better than them.

To get matters straight, I'm not for or against the war. I'm a part of it, so it hits close to home.

And you are going to believe a washington times poll? Post the poll, and how it was taken please. Was it an online poll? Once again it is completely not fact, but you just dont want to hear it.

You need to let us in on these little factoids of yours.
care to share what the facts are?

I dont know the answers, never claimed that I did. But I would love to see a poll in which the results are what Darkhawk28 says they are. And I would love to see the polling technique for taking in Iraqi opinions. Maybe washington times just random dialed 500 Iraqi citizens. :roll:

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Straight up lies, eh? Gee, where are the flowers? Hmm?? '

Rev. Moon-owned Washington Times poll: 85% want us GONE. nearly 50% think it's OK to kill Americans.

If you support this war, you're aiding the insurgents and terrorists that are in Iraq right now and quite frankly, you're no better than them.

To get matters straight, I'm not for or against the war. I'm a part of it, so it hits close to home.

And you are going to believe a washington times poll? Post the poll, and how it was taken please. Was it an online poll? Once again it is completely not fact, but you just dont want to hear it.

You need to let us in on these little factoids of yours.
care to share what the facts are?

I dont know the answers, never claimed that I did. But I would love to see a poll in which the results are what Darkhawk28 says they are. And I would love to see the polling technique for taking in Iraqi opinions. Maybe washington times just random dialed 500 Iraqi citizens. :roll:

Washington Times with the help of British military.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
For every one you kill, you create 10 more.

Get this through your head.

We've lost.

We've lost their hearts and minds. Children are throwing rocks at military and contractor trucks. They hate us. They placate our "elections" because they want us GONE.

Uh... thats just not the truth either. Have you been over there?

Bull f'in ******! Quit your filthy lying.

Wow, are you attempting to be serious? This is like trying to debate with cookie monster.

I don't debate with nasty, little, filthy liars. Not anymore.

You've stopped talking to 52% of the people that voted in the Country??? :shocked:

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Washington Times with the help of British military.

I'd still like to see the results and polling method, or is that to much to ask?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

I don't debate with nasty, little, filthy liars. Not anymore.

You've stopped talking to 52% of the people that voted in the Country??? :shocked:

Thats only like 10% of the population.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Sure I do. You read some liberal news media, slinging some coined phrases then get your manties in a bunch. Then scream like an idiot and refuse to believe anything else then whats stuck in your head. Cause and effect.

At least you arren't just tossing in straight up lies like Darkhawk.

Bill, you and Bush can keep ignoring the truth as long as you like but please don't expect that to get any of us to believe the lies.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TallBill

Sure I do. You read some liberal news media, slinging some coined phrases then get your manties in a bunch. Then scream like an idiot and refuse to believe anything else then whats stuck in your head. Cause and effect.

At least you arren't just tossing in straight up lies like Darkhawk.

Bill, you and Bush can keep ignoring the truth as long as you like but please don't expect that to get any of us to believe the lies.

What lies? I havn't claimed a single "fact" in this thread. I'm just disputing what others posted. lol

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Straight up lies, eh? Gee, where are the flowers? Hmm?? '

Rev. Moon-owned Washington Times poll: 85% want us GONE. nearly 50% think it's OK to kill Americans.

If you support this war, you're aiding the insurgents and terrorists that are in Iraq right now and quite frankly, you're no better than them.

To get matters straight, I'm not for or against the war. I'm a part of it, so it hits close to home.

And you are going to believe a washington times poll? Post the poll, and how it was taken please. Was it an online poll? Once again it is completely not fact, but you just dont want to hear it.

You need to let us in on these little factoids of yours.
care to share what the facts are?

I dont know the answers, never claimed that I did. But I would love to see a poll in which the results are what Darkhawk28 says they are. And I would love to see the polling technique for taking in Iraqi opinions. Maybe washington times just random dialed 500 Iraqi citizens. :roll:

OK well you keep worrying about Polls and the rest of us will keep learning about the growing amount of evidence which supports our conclusions that America was misled into a war, that this administration doesn't know how to conclude the campaign in Iraq, that this administration is flirting with illegal torture, and with illegal spying.

the evidence is there, I don't know the facts either, but I am not going to turn a blind eye to this evidence and these actions.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Todd33

Then - Past tense, history. Iraq had no ties to terrorist or AQ. Iraq was a secular government who opposed radical Muslim influence in the region (Iran). That is the Iraq that Bush invaded.

Now - Present tense, not historical. Foreign fighter (some Taliban and AQ) along with Iraqis are now attacking US troops because they are there and are easy targets. This was not our plan, but it sure serves the interest of AQ.

If you honestly believe that our soldiers are "easy targets" then you will believe any line of crap spoonfed to you.

Insurgants dying at a rate of something like 50-1 to us troops doesn't sound so "easy". And fighting on their own turf does not help AQ out very well. They'd much rather be killing unarmed civilians over here.

50-1? WTF kind of spoon-fed military propaganda is that bullsh*t?

If that was the case, there would be 110,000 dead insurgents alone. This administration's top estimates as to the size of the insurgency has been no more than half that.

You need to learn to separate the different forces the US is fighting over there:

1) Insurgents (former Saddam loyalists, typically)
2) Terrorists (the foreign fighters that have slipped thru the borders)
3) General hoods and scum picked up in the flow by the insurgents (fighting for money to feed themselves and/or their families moreso than for any ideology)


None of this violence in Iraq was there before the US invaded.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: OrByte

OK well you keep worrying about Polls and the rest of us will keep learning about the growing amount of evidence which supports our conclusions that America was misled into a war, that this administration doesn't know how to conclude the campaign in Iraq, that this administration is flirting with illegal torture, and with illegal spying.

the evidence is there, I don't know the facts either, but I am not going to turn a blind eye to this evidence and these actions.

I'm not worried about polls. I never made claims that such polls existed. But if someone decides to post something, they should be able to back it up, right?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Todd33

Then - Past tense, history. Iraq had no ties to terrorist or AQ. Iraq was a secular government who opposed radical Muslim influence in the region (Iran). That is the Iraq that Bush invaded.

Now - Present tense, not historical. Foreign fighter (some Taliban and AQ) along with Iraqis are now attacking US troops because they are there and are easy targets. This was not our plan, but it sure serves the interest of AQ.

If you honestly believe that our soldiers are "easy targets" then you will believe any line of crap spoonfed to you.

Insurgants dying at a rate of something like 50-1 to us troops doesn't sound so "easy". And fighting on their own turf does not help AQ out very well. They'd much rather be killing unarmed civilians over here.

50-1? WTF kind of spoon-fed military propaganda is that bullsh*t?

If that was the case, there would be 110,000 dead insurgents alone. This administration's top estimates as to the size of the insurgency has been no more than half that.

You need to learn to separate the different forces the US is fighting over there:

1) Insurgents (former Saddam loyalists, typically)
2) Terrorists (the foreign fighters that have slipped thru the borders)
3) General hoods and scum picked up in the flow by the insurgents (fighting for money to feed themselves and/or their families moreso than for any ideology)


None of this violence in Iraq was there before the US invaded.

Yes, 50-1 was extreme. It was a quick response to calling soldiers an "easy target". Unfortunatly theres no exact toll. So maybe its as low as 5-1, and as high as 15-1. Could you agree with that?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: OrByte

OK well you keep worrying about Polls and the rest of us will keep learning about the growing amount of evidence which supports our conclusions that America was misled into a war, that this administration doesn't know how to conclude the campaign in Iraq, that this administration is flirting with illegal torture, and with illegal spying.

the evidence is there, I don't know the facts either, but I am not going to turn a blind eye to this evidence and these actions.

I'm not worried about polls. I never made claims that such polls existed. But if someone decides to post something, they should be able to back it up, right?

right and you completely sidestepped my post, but you are right.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Todd33

Then - Past tense, history. Iraq had no ties to terrorist or AQ. Iraq was a secular government who opposed radical Muslim influence in the region (Iran). That is the Iraq that Bush invaded.

Now - Present tense, not historical. Foreign fighter (some Taliban and AQ) along with Iraqis are now attacking US troops because they are there and are easy targets. This was not our plan, but it sure serves the interest of AQ.

If you honestly believe that our soldiers are "easy targets" then you will believe any line of crap spoonfed to you.

Insurgants dying at a rate of something like 50-1 to us troops doesn't sound so "easy". And fighting on their own turf does not help AQ out very well. They'd much rather be killing unarmed civilians over here.

50-1? WTF kind of spoon-fed military propaganda is that bullsh*t?

If that was the case, there would be 110,000 dead insurgents alone. This administration's top estimates as to the size of the insurgency has been no more than half that.

You need to learn to separate the different forces the US is fighting over there:

1) Insurgents (former Saddam loyalists, typically)
2) Terrorists (the foreign fighters that have slipped thru the borders)
3) General hoods and scum picked up in the flow by the insurgents (fighting for money to feed themselves and/or their families moreso than for any ideology)


None of this violence in Iraq was there before the US invaded.

Yes, 50-1 was extreme. It was a quick response to calling soldiers an "easy target". Unfortunatly theres no exact toll. So maybe its as low as 5-1, and as high as 15-1. Could you agree with that?

I could buy something in between there but our troops are target practice for the insurgents and the terrorists.

There are simply not enough combat troops in Iraq to secure the country. Anyone who actually thinks the US will provide stability in the country is seriously delusional. All our combat troops are doing is playing whack-a-mole with the insurgents from one city to the next while the logistical support folk run willy-nilly back and forth supplying fuel, food, maintenance, etc.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
For every one you kill, you create 10 more.

Get this through your head.

We've lost.

We've lost their hearts and minds. Children are throwing rocks at military and contractor trucks. They hate us. They placate our "elections" because they want us GONE.

Uh... thats just not the truth either. Have you been over there?

This woman lives there

Link

*t makes one wonder when Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and the rest will have their day, as the accused, in court*

*I intend to spend the rest of the night reading about Bush?s ?strategy? for Iraq. I haven?t seen it yet, but I expect it?ll be a repetition of the nonsense he?s been spewing for two and a half years now. Don?t Americans get tired of hearing the same thing?*

*Bush would have to don his fake pilot suit again, gush enthusiastically about the War on Terror and then threaten Syria some more.*

*He was trying, throughout the speech, to paint a rosy picture of the situation. According to him, Iraq was flourishing under the occupation. In Bush?s Iraq, there is reconstruction, there is freedom (in spite of an occupation) and there is democracy.

?He?s describing a different country?? I commented to E. and the cousin.

?Yes,? E. replied. ?He?s talking about the *other* Iraq? the one with the WMD.?*

*Bush said:
?The troops here and across the world are fighting a global war on terror. The war reached our shores on September 11, 2001.?

Do people really still believe this? In spite of that fact that no WMD were found in Iraq, in spite of the fact that prior to the war, no American was ever killed in Iraq and now almost 2000 are dead on Iraqi soil? It?s difficult to comprehend that rational people, after all of this, still actually accept the claims of a link between 9/11 and Iraq. Or that they could actually believe Iraq is less of a threat today than it was in 2003.*

*Don?t Americans realize that ?abroad? is a country full of people- men, women and children who are dying hourly? ?Abroad? is home for millions of us. It?s the place we were raised and the place we hope to raise our children- your field of war and terror.*

*The war was brought to us here, and now we have to watch the country disintegrate before our very eyes. We watch as towns are bombed and gunned down and evacuated of their people. We watch as friends and loved ones are detained, or killed or pressured out of the country with fear and intimidation.*

*Yes. And Bush is extremely concerned with the mosques. He might ask the occupation forces in Iraq to quit attacking mosques and detaining the worshipers inside- to stop raiding them and bombing them and using them as shelters for American snipers in places like Falluja and Samarra. And the terrorists who sent a suicide bomber to a teaching hospital in Mosul? Maybe they got their cue from the American troops who attacked the only functioning hospital in Falluja.*

*Three decades of tyranny isn?t what bombed and burned buildings to the ground. It isn?t three decades of tyranny that destroyed the infrastructure with such things as ?Shock and Awe? and various other tactics. Though he fails to mention it, prior to the war, we didn?t have sewage overflowing in the streets like we do now, and water cut off for days and days at a time. We certainly had more than the 8 hours of electricity daily. In several areas they aren?t even getting that much.*


*We?re so free, we often find ourselves prisoners of our homes, with roads cut off indefinitely and complete areas made inaccessible. We are so free to assemble that people now fear having gatherings because a large number of friends or family members may attract too much attention and provoke a raid by American or Iraqi forces.*



I could go on and on, but you'll probably just dismiss it all anyways

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: OrByte

OK well you keep worrying about Polls and the rest of us will keep learning about the growing amount of evidence which supports our conclusions that America was misled into a war, that this administration doesn't know how to conclude the campaign in Iraq, that this administration is flirting with illegal torture, and with illegal spying.

the evidence is there, I don't know the facts either, but I am not going to turn a blind eye to this evidence and these actions.

I'm not worried about polls. I never made claims that such polls existed. But if someone decides to post something, they should be able to back it up, right?

right and you completely sidestepped my post, but you are right.

I didn't stepside your post. I replied by saying "I'm not worried about polls". In fact, I'm not worried about the possabillity of illegal torture or illegal spying. I'm not really a person to be worried to begin with though.

I know that people do shady stuff, especially people in power. But I also know that good and evil tend to even itself out over time.

But I'm not saying that anyone else shouldn't be worried though. Just find a balance. We cant freak out about everything.