Bush to give speech at 9:00 pm EST

[spidey07]

Surprised it isn't being spoken about.

Anyway, he's addressing the Nation at 9:00.

 

[Rainsford]

You know, if I thought it was going to be anything more than once more stupid attempt to use 9/11 to the advantage of the Republican party, I'd say it would be worth listening to. But since I have yet to hear ANYTHING other than partisan crap from Republicans "remembering 9/11" all fvcking day, I think I'll give it a pass. I realize that politics is hardly the place to complain about bad taste, but this is low, even for a party I didn't have a great deal of respect for to begin with.

It's funny, because these guys could actually change my mind about them in a single evening. If Bush gets up there and talks about how we really should remember how united we were after 9/11 and try to get back to that place, putting aside political differences and working together, no matter what our political views, for what we think is best for the country, I'd really respect him for it...he might even change my mind about him and the rest of his party. But we all know he's not going to be doing that, he'll make some cheesy comments about honoring the memory of those who died on 9/11, and then piss all over them trying to spin things to the Republican advantage.

Hell, I know I sound pretty pessimistic...and I'll probably watch anyways, but I'm not real confident I'll see anything better. Of course I could be wrong, we'll see...

 

[trenchfoot]

i'm afraid if i watch it, i might launch one of my "old faithful" jungle boots through the screen of my nearly new lcd widescreen tv the first time he mentions saddam and "terrerests" in the same sentence.

thanks for the heads up spidey, but i pass too...

 

[ebaycj]

Watching it right now...

What a complete douchebag.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Surprised it isn't being spoken about.

Anyway, he's addressing the Nation at 9:00.

What's to say? He'll spew talking point after talking point. He'll swagger and smirk. He'll say we have to "stay the course" blah blah blah

And he's the BASTARD that STOPPED the hunt for Al Qaeda!!

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

This really is the most painfully predictable, canned piece of crap. You look in those eyes and there's just nothing there. What a jackass.

I imagine the thing Bush hates most about 9/11 is that it didn't happen on 11/1, so he could drag out this "War on Terror" dog and pony show immediately before the elections.

I'm going back to switching between the Twins and Vikings games.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: spidey07
Surprised it isn't being spoken about.

Anyway, he's addressing the Nation at 9:00.

What's to say? He'll spew talking point after talking point. He'll swagger and smirk. He'll say we have to "stay the course" blah blah blah

And he's the BASTARD that STOPPED the hunt for Al Qaeda!!

Don't question our resolve.

 

[morkinva]

"do we have the confidence to do in the middle east what our fathers and grandfathers did in europe and asia"

Here he's telling us exactly what he has planned for the middle east, just like his grandfather did for europe. Right out in the open, for those that can see.

 

[conjur]

Redskins at 4yd line and looking to score.



Oh wait.... the Propagandist is on? :roll:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: spidey07
Surprised it isn't being spoken about.

Anyway, he's addressing the Nation at 9:00.

What's to say? He'll spew talking point after talking point. He'll swagger and smirk. He'll say we have to "stay the course" blah blah blah

And he's the BASTARD that STOPPED the hunt for Al Qaeda!!

Don't question our resolve.

What resolve?

Bush has no plans to go after bin Laden. He stopped even saying the name bin Laden until the last few weeks when he's gone into overdrive to help push the fear button for the upcoming elections.

This admin f*cked America on many levels and many fronts and continues to do so today. Every death in Iraq is blood on his hands.

 

[spidey07]

Conjur,

The resolve to do what is right even though it isn't "policitally correct". The steadfast drive to do the difficult job, to put your nose to the grindstone and do the right thing no matter what the cost.

That's resolve, that's why I love our President so much.

 

[wirelessenabled]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: spidey07
Surprised it isn't being spoken about.

Anyway, he's addressing the Nation at 9:00.

What's to say? He'll spew talking point after talking point. He'll swagger and smirk. He'll say we have to "stay the course" blah blah blah

And he's the BASTARD that STOPPED the hunt for Al Qaeda!!

Don't question our resolve.

WE may have resolve but Bush and team only have politics:disgust::thumbsdown:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Conjur,

The resolve to do what is right even though it isn't "policitally correct". The steadfast drive to do the difficult job, to put your nose to the grindstone and do the right thing no matter what the cost.

That's resolve, that's why I love our President so much.

OMG, I just got sick

 

[bobdelt]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: spidey07


And he's the BASTARD that STOPPED the hunt for Al Qaeda!!

Really? Do you have a link for that? We stopped hunting Al Qaeda? Hmmm.... I must have missed that one. Now, we might have outsourced the hunt for Osama... But I don't think I ever heard anything about stopping the hunt for Al Qaeda...

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Conjur,

The resolve to do what is right even though it isn't "policitally correct". The steadfast drive to do the difficult job, to put your nose to the grindstone and do the right thing no matter what the cost.

That's resolve, that's why I love our President so much.

Uh, hunh?

The only resolve Bush has is financial windfalls to his oil buddies and other wealthy contributors to GOP campaign coffers. He's the most pathetic piece of sh*t ever to have been born and he's filled his administration with greedy sycophants stuck on stupid.

Name one thing he's doing that is the right thing to do. Just one.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
OMG, I just got sick

That's generally the reaction of people without resolve. In nervous or uncertain times they don't have the resolve to maintain control of their central nervous system and proceed steadfastidly to the proper action.

It's simliar to prey for the kill. The weak ones curl up in a ball puking and crapping themselves, while the strong ACT for survival.

 

[musicc]

quote:
Originally posted by: spidey07
Conjur,

The resolve to do what is right even though it isn't "policitally correct". The steadfast drive to do the difficult job, to put your nose to the grindstone and do the right thing no matter what the cost.

That's resolve, that's why I love our President so much.

Uh, hunh?

The only resolve Bush has is financial windfalls to his oil buddies and other wealthy contributors to GOP campaign coffers. He's the most pathetic piece of sh*t ever to have been born and he's filled his administration with greedy sycophants stuck on stupid.

Name one thing he's doing that is the right thing to do. Just one.
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Do not call list. That was the best thing happen me.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bobdelt

Originally posted by: conjur

And he's the BASTARD that STOPPED the hunt for Al Qaeda!!

Really? Do you have a link for that? We stopped hunting Al Qaeda? Hmmm.... I must have missed that one. Now, we might have outsourced the hunt for Osama... But I don't think I ever heard anything about stopping the hunt for Al Qaeda...

Bush Admin halts Operation Catcher's Mitt
http://web.archive.org/web/200404011420...ahoo.com/prnews/040321/nysu007a_1.html

WH cuts counter-terror programs
http://www.criminology.fsu.edu/transcri...nged%20Goals%20of%20Justice%20Dept.htm

WH terror task force on counter-terrorism never met
http://dir.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/09/12/bush/index.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/05/20010508.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A8734-2002Jan19?language=printer
http://foi.missouri.edu/terrorismfoi/whatwentwrong.html

Special Forces pulled from hunt for bin Laden
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-03-28-troop-shifts_x.htm

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
OMG, I just got sick

That's generally the reaction of people without resolve. In nervous or uncertain times they don't have the resolve to maintain control of their central nervous system and proceed steadfastidly to the proper action.

It's simliar to prey for the kill. The weak ones curl up in a ball puking and crapping themselves, while the strong ACT for survival.

Indeed, but the problem is that acting alone is not helpful...resolve and determination do more harm than good when they are fueled by a less than intelligent brain.

Look at the phrase of yours I bolded for an idea of the problem people like me have with people like Bush. The best analogy I can think of is that Bush and his supporters are like a person on the street getting mugged who decides to whip out his AK-47 and just start spraying bullets in all directions. His (and your) measure of success is the total number of bullets fired, whether or not any of them did anything useful.

And THAT is the problem, this all horsepower no steering approach you people seem to love. Don't get me wrong, I admire the resolve and determination, but it would really help if the captain of your brainship wasn't drunk at the wheel. Or, to use an analogy more up my alley, Bush is all thrust and no vector. I appologize for the abuse of the metaphors, but I think I've conveyed my problem with this "lookie, we have resolve!" noise I keep hearing from you guys. Don't kid yourself, you guys are prey. You may not be the kind of prey that curls up in a ball and dies quietly, but you're still prey, because you confuse acting to survive with simply acting.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
OMG, I just got sick

That's generally the reaction of people without resolve. In nervous or uncertain times they don't have the resolve to maintain control of their central nervous system and proceed steadfastidly to the proper action.

It's simliar to prey for the kill. The weak ones curl up in a ball puking and crapping themselves, while the strong ACT for survival.

I don't think much of Bush's resolve it's poltical... what other choice does he have at this point but continue this disasterous war? If he quits he's a failure. All he can hope for is time enough to pass this disater on so many levels off to the next POTUS.

Only people I credit with resolve are the guys in uniform under this foolish leader, sometimes reserves doing a historically rediculous 2-3 tours in country waiting for an IED with thier name on it. That's resolve.

 

[conjur]

Here's a speech America needed to hear:

Keith Olbermann video

And lastly tonight a Special Comment on why we are here. Half a lifetime ago, I worked in this now-empty space.
And for 40 days after the attacks, I worked here again, trying to make sense of what happened, and was yet to happen, as a reporter.
And all the time, I knew that the very air I breathed contained the remains of thousands of people, including four of my friends, two in the planes and ? as I discovered from those "missing posters" seared still into my soul ? two more in the Towers.
And I knew too, that this was the pyre for hundreds of New York policemen and firemen, of whom my family can claim half a dozen or more, as our ancestors.
I belabor this to emphasize that, for me? this was, and is, and always shall be, personal.
And anyone who claims that I and others like me are "soft", or have "forgotten" the lessons of what happened here ? is at best a grasping, opportunistic, dilettante ? and at worst, an idiot ? whether he is a commentator, or a Vice President, or a President.
However. Of all the things those of us who were here five years ago could have forecast ? of all the nightmares that unfolded before our eyes, and the others that unfolded only in our minds? none of us could have predicted? this.
Five years later this space? is still empty.
Five years later there is no Memorial to the dead.
Five years later there is no building rising to show with proud defiance that we would not have our America wrung from us, by cowards and criminals.
Five years later this country?s wound is still open.
Five years? later this country?s mass grave is still unmarked.
Five years later? this is still? just a background for a photo-op.
It is beyond shameful.
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At the dedication of the Gettysburg Memorial ? barely four months after the last soldier staggered from another Pennsylvania field, Mr. Lincoln said "we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate ? we can not hallow ? this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract."
Lincoln used those words to immortalize their sacrifice.
Today our leaders could use those same words to rationalize their reprehensible inaction. "We can nto dedicate ? we can not consecrate ? we can not hallow ? this ground." So we won?t.
Instead they bicker and buck-pass. They thwart private efforts, and jostle to claim credit for initiatives that go nowhere. They spend the money on irrelevant wars, and elaborate self-congratulations, and buying off columnists to write how good a job they?re doing ? instead of doing any job at all.
Five years later, Mr. Bush? we are still fighting the terrorists on these streets. And look carefully, sir ? on these 16 empty acres, the terrorists? are clearly, still winning.
And, in a crime against every victim here and every patriotic sentiment you mouthed but did not enact, you have done nothing about it.
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And there is something worse still than this vast gaping hole in this city, and in the fabric of our nation.
There is, its symbolism ? of the promise unfulfilled, the urgent oath, reduced to lazy execution.
The only positive on 9/11 and the days and weeks that so slowly and painfully followed it? was the unanimous humanity, here, and throughout the country. The government, the President in particular, was given every possible measure of support.
Those who did not belong to his party ? tabled that.
Those who doubted the mechanics of his election ? ignored that.
Those who wondered of his qualifications ? forgot that.
History teaches us that nearly unanimous support of a government cannot be taken away from that government, by its critics.
It can only be squandered by those who use it not to heal a nation?s wounds, but to take political advantage.
Terrorists did not come and steal our newly-regained sense of being American first, and political, fiftieth. Nor did the Democrats. Nor did the media. Nor did the people.
The President ? and those around him ? did that.
They promised bi-partisanship, and then showed that to them, "bi-partisanship" meant that their party would rule and the rest would have to follow, or be branded, with ever-escalating hysteria, as morally or intellectually confused; as appeasers; as those who, in the Vice President?s words yesterday, "validate the strategy of the terrorists."
They promised protection, and then showed that to them "protection" meant going to war against a despot whose hand they had once shaken? a despot who we now learn from our own Senate Intelligence Committee, hated Al-Qaeda as much as we did.
The polite phrase for how so many of us were duped into supporting a war, on the false premise that it had ?something to do? with 9/11, is "lying by implication."
The impolite phrase, is "impeachable offense."
Not once in now five years has this President ever offered to assume responsibility for the failures that led to this empty space? and to this, the current, curdled, version of our beloved country.
Still, there is a last snapping flame from a final candle of respect and fairness: even his most virulent critics have never suggested he alone bears the full brunt of the blame for 9/11.
Half the time, in fact, this President has been so gently treated, that he has seemed not even to be the man most responsible ? for anything ? in his own administration.
Yet what is happening this very night?
A mini-series, created, influenced ? possibly financed by ? the most radical and cold of domestic political Machiavellis, continues to be televised into our homes.
The documented truths of the last fifteen years are replaced by bald-faced lies; the talking points of the current regime parroted; the whole sorry story blurred, by spin, to make the party out of office seem vacillating and impotent, and the party in office, seem like the only option.
How dare you, Mr. President, after taking cynical advantage of the unanimity and love, and transmuting it into fraudulent war and needless death? after monstrously transforming it into fear and suspicion and turning that fear into the campaign slogan of three elections? how dare you or those around you? ever "spin" 9/11.
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Just as the terrorists have succeeded ? are still succeeding ? as long as there is no memorial and no construction here at Ground Zero?
So too have they succeeded, and are still succeeding ? as long as this government uses 9/11 as a wedge to pit Americans against Americans.
This is an odd point to cite a television program, especially one from March of 1960. But as Disney?s continuing sell-out of the truth (and this country) suggests, even television programs can be powerful things.
And long ago, a series called "The Twilight Zone" broadcast a riveting episode entitled "The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street."
In brief: a meteor sparks rumors of an invasion by extra-terrestrials disguised as humans. The electricity goes out. A neighbor pleads for calm.
Suddenly his car ? and only his car ? starts. Someone suggests he must be the alien. Then another man?s lights go on.
As charges and suspicion and panic overtake the street, guns are inevitably produced.
An "alien" is shot ? but he turns out to be just another neighbor, returning from going for help.
The camera pulls back to a near-by hill, where two extra-terrestrials areseen, manipulating a small device that can jam electricity. The veteran tells his novice that there?s no need to actually attack, that you just turn off a few of the human machines and then, "they pick the most dangerous enemy they can find, and it?s themselves."
And then, in perhaps his finest piece of writing, Rod Serling sums it up with words of remarkable prescience, given where we find ourselves tonight.
"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices - to be found only in the minds of men.
"For the record, prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all its own ? for the children, and the children yet unborn."
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When those who dissent are told time and time again ? as we will be, if not tonight by the President, then tomorrow by his portable public chorus ? that he is preserving our freedom, but that if we use any of it, we are somehow un-American?
When we are scolded, that if we merely question, we have "forgotten the lessons of 9/11"? look into this empty space behind me and the bi-partisanship upon which this administration also did not build, and tell me:
Who has left this hole in the ground?
We have not forgotten, Mr. President.
You have.
May this country forgive you.

 

[Zebo]

Speaking of resolve.. don't you guys think it odd General Franks who lead invasion of Iraq just ups and retires two weeks later leaving his troops to slog it out? Or Doug Faith, Wolf or many others?

Imagine if Eisenhower said OK I leaving day our boats land on Normandy.

 

[Achtung]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Conjur,

The resolve to do what is right even though it isn't "policitally correct". The steadfast drive to do the difficult job, to put your nose to the grindstone and do the right thing no matter what the cost.

That's resolve, that's why I love our President so much.

You've confused stubbornly following the wrong path with steadfastness. Taking the incorrect steps over and over isn't being steadfast, its being dumb.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Indeed, but the problem is that acting alone is not helpful...resolve and determination do more harm than good when they are fueled by a less than intelligent brain.

Look at the phrase of yours I bolded for an idea of the problem people like me have with people like Bush. The best analogy I can think of is that Bush and his supporters are like a person on the street getting mugged who decides to whip out his AK-47 and just start spraying bullets in all directions. His (and your) measure of success is the total number of bullets fired, whether or not any of them did anything useful.

And THAT is the problem, this all horsepower no steering approach you people seem to love. Don't get me wrong, I admire the resolve and determination, but it would really help if the captain of your brainship wasn't drunk at the wheel. Or, to use an analogy more up my alley, Bush is all thrust and no vector. I appologize for the abuse of the metaphors, but I think I've conveyed my problem with this "lookie, we have resolve!" noise I keep hearing from you guys. Don't kid yourself, you guys are prey. You may not be the kind of prey that curls up in a ball and dies quietly, but you're still prey, because you confuse acting to survive with simply acting.

Hate to be so short winded in my approach...

But isn't that what defines politics? The "best" course of action. Some believe/feel one way, others feel another. Some feel the need to act, others feel that "do nothing" is an option.

I was just discussing this with a client today. A wise man once told me "do nothing" is always an option that should be considered. in business there is a risk associated with every decision. I believe the same holds true for gubment.

My comment on "resolve" was a tongue in cheek respose that IMHO has some merit to it.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Indeed, but the problem is that acting alone is not helpful...resolve and determination do more harm than good when they are fueled by a less than intelligent brain.

Look at the phrase of yours I bolded for an idea of the problem people like me have with people like Bush. The best analogy I can think of is that Bush and his supporters are like a person on the street getting mugged who decides to whip out his AK-47 and just start spraying bullets in all directions. His (and your) measure of success is the total number of bullets fired, whether or not any of them did anything useful.

And THAT is the problem, this all horsepower no steering approach you people seem to love. Don't get me wrong, I admire the resolve and determination, but it would really help if the captain of your brainship wasn't drunk at the wheel. Or, to use an analogy more up my alley, Bush is all thrust and no vector. I appologize for the abuse of the metaphors, but I think I've conveyed my problem with this "lookie, we have resolve!" noise I keep hearing from you guys. Don't kid yourself, you guys are prey. You may not be the kind of prey that curls up in a ball and dies quietly, but you're still prey, because you confuse acting to survive with simply acting.

Hate to be so short winded in my approach...

But isn't that what defines politics? The "best" course of action. Some believe/feel one way, others feel another. Some feel the need to act, others feel that "do nothing" is an option.

I was just discussing this with a client today. A wise man once told me "do nothing" is always an option that should be considered. in business there is a risk associated with every decision. I believe the same holds true for gubment.

My comment on "resolve" was a tongue in cheek respose that IMHO has some merit to it.

Of course, and if you guys simply went around saying you thought your actions were right, I wouldn't have anything to say about it. But you were harping on the "resolve" by itself, as if that alone was admirable or helpful.