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Bush: The War Stopper!

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Story @ CNN

Wow, I'm shocked!

President Bush rejected three requests in 2008 for permission and aid for a potential airstrike inside Iran, according to a report in the New York Times. Israel wanted specialized bunker-busting bombs, equipment to help refuel planes making flights into Iran, and permission to fly over Iraq to reach the site of Iran's only known uranium enrichment plant, according to the report.

So what do you Bush=War Monger people have to say about this? GWB actually told Israel NO! Several times.

I think a third war would have killed the USA, but if we could have started all over and still attacked two countries, I would have preferred Iran over Iraq in terms of fighting a real threat.

Edit: In exchange for telling Israel "no" I bet the compromise he offered was to turn a blind eye to an invasion of Gaza/Hamas.
 
Right, just when everything is going Bush's way in Iraq, all he would need is an Israeli airstrike on Iran that would massively fuck it up. Not going to happen.

I think that Israel, American, and Iran are going to have to come to a grand bargain. There is just no point anymore considering Israel isn't going anywhere and Iran will somehow get the bomb.
 
Originally posted by: Dari
Right, just when everything is going Bush's way in Iraq...
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wait, did you just admit that "everything is going Bush's way in Iraq"?!?

wow... I didn't think you had it in ya!

 
Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
America needs to cut all funds off to Israel.
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We needed to do more than that.

We need to cut off diplomatic support to Israel, as it is our veto power in the UN which has blocked all the Security Council resolution which could have ended this madness long ago.

That is how the world brought South African apartheid to an end, and we can do much the same to bring Israeli's ongoing denial of Palestine's right to exist to an end.
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
America needs to cut all funds off to Israel.
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We needed to do more than that.

We need to cut off diplomatic support to Israel, as it is our veto power in the UN which has blocked all the Security Council resolution which could have ended this madness long ago.

That is how the world brought South African apartheid to an end, and we can do much the same to bring Israeli's ongoing denial of Palestine's right to exist to an end.
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:roll:

edit- I was probably a bit harsh.


 
Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
America needs to cut all funds off to Israel.
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Agreed. Israel is a bloodsucking leech.
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
America needs to cut all funds off to Israel.
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We needed to do more than that.

We need to cut off diplomatic support to Israel, as it is our veto power in the UN which has blocked all the Security Council resolution which could have ended this madness long ago.
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In the same way the UN was able to end Saddam's reign in Iraq or the killings in Dufar or the Rwandan genocide??



BTW how exactly is the UN going to stop anything?? And does your grand idea include the UN stopping Hamas as well?
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
America needs to cut all funds off to Israel.
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We needed to do more than that.

We need to cut off diplomatic support to Israel, as it is our veto power in the UN which has blocked all the Security Council resolution which could have ended this madness long ago.

That is how the world brought South African apartheid to an end, and we can do much the same to bring Israeli's ongoing denial of Palestine's right to exist to an end.
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You are an idiot!!!!

Israel was ready to give the Palestinians their own state but Arafat turned the deal down.

The only people who are being denied the right to exist are the Israelis whom Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran all proclaim must be destroyed. Do you deny this basic fact?

How do you make peace with people who are sworn to destroy you?
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
:roll:

edit- I was probably a bit harsh.
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Am I to take it you don't have a rational contest to my statements?
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I did post one but figured it was a bit too harsh on you despite your obvious hatred of Israel so I edited it. Also, why can't you people stay on topic? It seems that you just can't help yourself when Israel is brought up...
 
All Israel is is the child of a rich parent that has been spoiled so bad that you can't control it anymore. Watch My Super Sweet 16 and you'll get the picture.
 
Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
All Israel is is the child of a rich parent that has been spoiled so bad that you can't control it anymore. Watch My Super Sweet 16 and you'll get the picture.
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And what do you think of Iran with its 'death to Israel' chants?
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
America needs to cut all funds off to Israel.
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We need to cut out ALL aid to EVERY country.
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Don't they teach history in our schools??

We tried the isolationist approach in the 1930s and 40s and the result was a war that lasted far longer and cost far more lives than if we had gotten involved at the start.

If we had declared war against Germany in 1939 when they invaded Poland and started sending troops etc to Europe WW2 would have been FAR shorter than it was and we could have saved millions of lives.


Do you really think the Islamists that control Hamas will stop at Israel?
 
I guess Bush wasnt chomping at the bit looking for a reason to attack Iran like so many thought. Interesting. Good on him 🙂
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Israel was ready to give the Palestinians their own state but Arafat turned the deal down.
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What Arafat turned down was Israel's offer for Palestinians to agree to a permanent state of subjugation, as shown explained here:

http://www.gush-shalom.org/generous/generous.html

http://www.gush-shalom.org/media/barak_eng.swf

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The only people who are being denied the right to exist are the Israelis whom Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran all proclaim must be destroyed. Do you deny this basic fact?
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Israel does exist as a sovereign nation, but for over four decades Israel has been colonizing the vast majority of the remainder of what little land Palestinians still hold rightful claim to, denying their Palestinians right to exist a sovereign nation of their own.

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
How do you make peace with people who are sworn to destroy you?
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That is exactly the question which lead to the formation of Hamas, just over two decades ago, and two decades after Israel had started colonizing the West Bank in their ongoing denial of Palestine's right to exist.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
We need to cut off diplomatic support to Israel, as it is our veto power in the UN which has blocked all the Security Council resolution which could have ended this madness long ago.
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In the same way the UN was able to end...
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...South African apartheid, as I previously stated. I recommend looking into the details of that if you are not familiar with them.
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Am I to take it you don't have a rational contest to my statements?
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I did post one but figured it was a bit too harsh on you despite your obvious hatred of Israel so I edited it.
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I get the impression that frothing hatred of Palestine is what keeps you from presenting a rational argument to my suggestion.

I don't hate Israel, I just don't hate Palestine either.


 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
America needs to cut all funds off to Israel.
Click to expand...
We needed to do more than that.

We need to cut off diplomatic support to Israel, as it is our veto power in the UN which has blocked all the Security Council resolution which could have ended this madness long ago.

That is how the world brought South African apartheid to an end, and we can do much the same to bring Israeli's ongoing denial of Palestine's right to exist to an end.
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Palestine and Hamas are the ones denying Israels right to exist. It is why they fight and turn down every two state solution possible. For someone who enjoys polishing the knob of people who blow up buses and kill themselves in the middle of busy markets, let a lot use civilians proudly as human shields you should really learn more about the people you are defending and not just the situation.
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Am I to take it you don't have a rational contest to my statements?
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I did post one but figured it was a bit too harsh on you despite your obvious hatred of Israel so I edited it.
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I get the impression that frothing hatred of Palestine is what keeps you from presenting a rational argument to my suggestion.

I don't hate Israel, I just don't hate Palestine either.
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frothing hatred of "Palestine"? I don't hate Palestinians - just those that are terrorists and those who actively support their terrorism.

 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
We need to cut off diplomatic support to Israel, as it is our veto power in the UN which has blocked all the Security Council resolution which could have ended this madness long ago.
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In the same way the UN was able to end...
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...South African apartheid, as I previously stated. I recommend looking into the details of that if you are not familiar with them.
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The UN didn't end anything.

The people of South Africa decided to end apartheid on their own.
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
That is exactly the question which lead to the formation of Hamas, just over two decades ago, and two decades after Israel had started colonizing the West Bank in their ongoing denial of Palestine's right to exist.
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Okay, I'll bite.

What is the minimum that Israel would have to do today to get the violence to stop in a meaningful way?
 
The point being, if GWB hadn't screwed up so badly and committed all of our military capacities in twin quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan, GWB&co might have bit on the Israeli plea to help bomb Iran. As it is,
for once in his sad and sorry life, GWB had the brains to realize it was a bad idea that would backfire on the USA.

Of course it did not stop GWB from allowing the US military to trespass on the territorial sovereignty of Pakistan, which will do much to destabilize that region for years to come while filling Al-Quida recruiting stations
with eager and angry young men. And at the same time, assuring ample Al-Quida funding as the wealthy simply donate money.
 
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