Bush Team ready for head to head against Dean

[dmcowen674]

12-11-2003 Bush's Advisers Focus on Dean as Likely Opponent Next Year

President Bush's political advisers are now all but certain that Howard Dean will be the Democratic presidential nominee and they are planning a campaign that takes account of what they see as Dr. Dean's strengths and weaknesses,

"We're ready to go," said a senior Republican official involved in the Bush campaign. "The broad thematics and the whole approach to him, those things have been well thought out.

Republican inside and outside the campaign are studying parallels between Dr. Dean's candidacy and other insurgent campaigns, including those of Senator Eugene McCarthy in 1968 and of Senator John McCain of Arizona, who nearly derailed Mr. Bush's march to the Republican nomination in 2000.
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"other insurgent campaigns"

That's hysterical.

 

[miguel]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"other insurgent campaigns"

That's hysterical.

What's so hysterical?

in·sur·gent ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-sûrjnt)
adj.
1. Rising in revolt against established authority, especially a government.
2. Rebelling against the leadership of a political party.

Howard Dean is absolutely an insurgent in the Democratic Party.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: miguel

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"other insurgent campaigns"

That's hysterical.

What's so hysterical?

in·sur·gent ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-sûrjnt)
adj.
1. Rising in revolt against established authority, especially a government.
2. Rebelling against the leadership of a political party.

Howard Dean is absolutely an insurgent in the Democratic Party.

Howard Dean, the Democratic insurgent, aims to take down the Bush regime. Is that appropriate too?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: miguel

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"other insurgent campaigns"

That's hysterical.

What's so hysterical?

in·sur·gent ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-sûrjnt)
adj.
1. Rising in revolt against established authority, especially a government.
2. Rebelling against the leadership of a political party.

Howard Dean is absolutely an insurgent in the Democratic Party.

If you would pay attention and read before posting you would see that the Republicans are calling those in their own party the insurgents.

 

[miguel]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: miguel

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"other insurgent campaigns"

That's hysterical.

What's so hysterical?

in·sur·gent ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-sûrjnt)
adj.
1. Rising in revolt against established authority, especially a government.
2. Rebelling against the leadership of a political party.

Howard Dean is absolutely an insurgent in the Democratic Party.

If you would pay attention and read before posting you would see that the Republicans are calling those in their own party the insurgents.

Dave, they said they were going to study parallels between Dean and other insurgent campaigns, including the ones in their own party. Hence they are labeling Dean's campaign an insurgent one. WTF is your problem?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

n/m

 

[MonstaThrilla]

One Republican who speaks regularly to White House officials said there was serious thought about pursuing the earliest and most aggressive of the plans under consideration: putting Mr. Bush into full campaign mode soon after he delivers the State of the Union address in late January. In that way, the Republican said, Mr. Bush could get a quick start on defining Dr. Dean as too far to the left for the country before the former Vermont governor can wrap up the primaries and begin trying to move himself toward the political center.

My "connections" in the Dean camp tell me that Dean is planning on making a "State of the People" address right before the President's State of the Union.

At least the doctrine of pre-emption makes sense for something...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

One Republican who speaks regularly to White House officials said there was serious thought about pursuing the earliest and most aggressive of the plans under consideration: putting Mr. Bush into full campaign mode soon after he delivers the State of the Union address in late January. In that way, the Republican said, Mr. Bush could get a quick start on defining Dr. Dean as too far to the left for the country before the former Vermont governor can wrap up the primaries and begin trying to move himself toward the political center.

My "connections" in the Dean camp tell me that Dean is planning on making a "State of the People" address right before the President's State of the Union.

At least the doctrine of pre-emption makes sense for something...

Bring 'em on!

So anyway - let me guess what it's going to be. Howard dean telling people how much things suck and how bad things "really" are (in his bizarro world) across the nation. He'll bleat on about how Iraq is a quagmire and that Bush's tax-cuts have ruined the economy - he may even throw in a jab about how Bush might have known about 9/11 before it happened.

It should be interesting to see how he positions and expresses himself during his rant. IMO he best becareful - this sort of thing could cause things to backfire if he's not careful(glass half empty).

CkG

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

One Republican who speaks regularly to White House officials said there was serious thought about pursuing the earliest and most aggressive of the plans under consideration: putting Mr. Bush into full campaign mode soon after he delivers the State of the Union address in late January. In that way, the Republican said, Mr. Bush could get a quick start on defining Dr. Dean as too far to the left for the country before the former Vermont governor can wrap up the primaries and begin trying to move himself toward the political center.

My "connections" in the Dean camp tell me that Dean is planning on making a "State of the People" address right before the President's State of the Union.

At least the doctrine of pre-emption makes sense for something...

Bring 'em on!

So anyway - let me guess what it's going to be. Howard dean telling people how much things suck and how bad things "really" are (in his bizarro world) across the nation. He'll bleat on about how Iraq is a quagmire and that Bush's tax-cuts have ruined the economy - he may even throw in a jab about how Bush might have known about 9/11 before it happened.

It should be interesting to see how he positions and expresses himself during his rant. IMO he best becareful - this sort of thing could cause things to backfire if he's not careful(glass half empty).

CkG

Its more likely he'll talk about his plans for job creation through small business stimulus, health insurance for all, and better education for the nation's children. Sure he'll take shots at the President's credit card economic agenda and radical foreign policy, but if you'd like to call Dean a bizarro far left nutjob then go ahead. I guess pointing out that the last time a President pursued his trickle down economic theory by shifting the debt burden to the future resulted in the recession of the early 90's or pointing out that the last Administration to pursue a war with unclear motives and objectives led to the historical mistake that was Vietnam is not only pessimistic, but unpatriotic.

Please rest on your laurels for the next year knowing Dean will get his ass kicked. Then get ready to call him your next President a year from today.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

One Republican who speaks regularly to White House officials said there was serious thought about pursuing the earliest and most aggressive of the plans under consideration: putting Mr. Bush into full campaign mode soon after he delivers the State of the Union address in late January. In that way, the Republican said, Mr. Bush could get a quick start on defining Dr. Dean as too far to the left for the country before the former Vermont governor can wrap up the primaries and begin trying to move himself toward the political center.

My "connections" in the Dean camp tell me that Dean is planning on making a "State of the People" address right before the President's State of the Union.

At least the doctrine of pre-emption makes sense for something...

Bring 'em on!

So anyway - let me guess what it's going to be. Howard dean telling people how much things suck and how bad things "really" are (in his bizarro world) across the nation. He'll bleat on about how Iraq is a quagmire and that Bush's tax-cuts have ruined the economy - he may even throw in a jab about how Bush might have known about 9/11 before it happened.

It should be interesting to see how he positions and expresses himself during his rant. IMO he best becareful - this sort of thing could cause things to backfire if he's not careful(glass half empty).

CkG

Its more likely he'll talk about his plans for job creation through small business stimulus, health insurance for all, and better education for the nation's children. Sure he'll take shots at the President's credit card economic agenda and radical foreign policy, but if you'd like to call Dean a bizarro far left nutjob then go ahead. I guess pointing out that the last time a President pursued his trickle down economic theory by shifting the debt burden to the future resulted in the recession of the early 90's or pointing out that the last Administration to pursue a war with unclear motives and objectives led to the historical mistake that was Vietnam.

Please rest on your laurels for the next year knowing Dean get his ass kicked. Then get ready to call him your next President a year from today.

Is he going to mention that he's going to raise taxes on everyone? Maybe he'll point out that people running on tax-raising platforms of his magnitude don't get elected...or maybe he'll recall the last "anti-war" candidate. But yeah - we aren't resting on our laurels...bring em on!

Anyway - is this going to be televised? How's that going to work? Is he going to have to pay for it if it is? Curious.

CkG

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

One Republican who speaks regularly to White House officials said there was serious thought about pursuing the earliest and most aggressive of the plans under consideration: putting Mr. Bush into full campaign mode soon after he delivers the State of the Union address in late January. In that way, the Republican said, Mr. Bush could get a quick start on defining Dr. Dean as too far to the left for the country before the former Vermont governor can wrap up the primaries and begin trying to move himself toward the political center.

My "connections" in the Dean camp tell me that Dean is planning on making a "State of the People" address right before the President's State of the Union.

At least the doctrine of pre-emption makes sense for something...

Bring 'em on!

So anyway - let me guess what it's going to be. Howard dean telling people how much things suck and how bad things "really" are (in his bizarro world) across the nation. He'll bleat on about how Iraq is a quagmire and that Bush's tax-cuts have ruined the economy - he may even throw in a jab about how Bush might have known about 9/11 before it happened.

It should be interesting to see how he positions and expresses himself during his rant. IMO he best becareful - this sort of thing could cause things to backfire if he's not careful(glass half empty).

CkG

Its more likely he'll talk about his plans for job creation through small business stimulus, health insurance for all, and better education for the nation's children. Sure he'll take shots at the President's credit card economic agenda and radical foreign policy, but if you'd like to call Dean a bizarro far left nutjob then go ahead. I guess pointing out that the last time a President pursued his trickle down economic theory by shifting the debt burden to the future resulted in the recession of the early 90's or pointing out that the last Administration to pursue a war with unclear motives and objectives led to the historical mistake that was Vietnam.

Please rest on your laurels for the next year knowing Dean get his ass kicked. Then get ready to call him your next President a year from today.

Is he going to mention that he's going to raise taxes on everyone? Maybe he'll point out that people running on tax-raising platforms of his magnitude don't get elected...or maybe he'll recall the last "anti-war" candidate. But yeah - we aren't resting on our laurels...bring em on!

Anyway - is this going to be televised? How's that going to work? Is he going to have to pay for it if it is? Curious.

CkG

It hasn't been decided exactly how this will happen. One option is to have MoveOn.org sponsor the speech, since those are quite popular with the media. But nothing is certain.

Give him a little more credit on the "raising taxes" issue. I hate to leak more of my insider scoops because I'm no Bob Novak, but if you don't think Dean is looking at some sort of true middle/working class and small business tax cut then you would be guilty of misunderestimating the man...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Give him a little more credit on the "raising taxes" issue. I hate to leak more of my insider scoops because I'm no Bob Novak, but if you don't think Dean is looking at some sort of true middle/working class and small business tax cut then you would be guilty of misunderestimating the man...

Then he better change his stance of repealing all of Bush's tax-cuts. The other candidates seem to understand this - why doesn't dean?

CkG

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Give him a little more credit on the "raising taxes" issue. I hate to leak more of my insider scoops because I'm no Bob Novak, but if you don't think Dean is looking at some sort of true middle/working class and small business tax cut then you would be guilty of misunderestimating the man...

Then he better change his stance of repealing all of Bush's tax-cuts. The other candidates seem to understand this - why doesn't dean?

CkG

Because the taxcut package as a whole, by its very nature, shifts the tax burden away from the upper class towards the middle class. Thus, it must be repealed as a whole.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Give him a little more credit on the "raising taxes" issue. I hate to leak more of my insider scoops because I'm no Bob Novak, but if you don't think Dean is looking at some sort of true middle/working class and small business tax cut then you would be guilty of misunderestimating the man...

Then he better change his stance of repealing all of Bush's tax-cuts. The other candidates seem to understand this - why doesn't dean?

CkG

Because the taxcut package as a whole, by its very nature, shifts the tax burden away from the upper class towards the middle class. Thus, it must be repealed as a whole.

After the taxcut, several million more middle class people no longer pay taxes. I dont see how this burdon has been shifted.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Give him a little more credit on the "raising taxes" issue. I hate to leak more of my insider scoops because I'm no Bob Novak, but if you don't think Dean is looking at some sort of true middle/working class and small business tax cut then you would be guilty of misunderestimating the man...

Then he better change his stance of repealing all of Bush's tax-cuts. The other candidates seem to understand this - why doesn't dean?

CkG

Because the taxcut package as a whole, by its very nature, shifts the tax burden away from the upper class towards the middle class. Thus, it must be repealed as a whole.

The other candidates have found it quite easy to find positions which address that - why hasn't dean?
You don't need to repeal it all - including the so-called "good"(for the poor and middle class) just because you think the overall is bad - why not just claim to try to "fix" the bad and leave the good?

CkG

 

[SuperTool]

The problem with the taxcut is that Bush still hasn't figured out how to pay for it by cutting spending. Which might be OK for short term stimulus, but over 10+ years it's lunacy.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Give him a little more credit on the "raising taxes" issue. I hate to leak more of my insider scoops because I'm no Bob Novak, but if you don't think Dean is looking at some sort of true middle/working class and small business tax cut then you would be guilty of misunderestimating the man...

Then he better change his stance of repealing all of Bush's tax-cuts. The other candidates seem to understand this - why doesn't dean?

CkG

Because the taxcut package as a whole, by its very nature, shifts the tax burden away from the upper class towards the middle class. Thus, it must be repealed as a whole.

The other candidates have found it quite easy to find positions which address that - why hasn't dean?
You don't need to repeal it all - including the so-called "good"(for the poor and middle class) just because you think the overall is bad - why not just claim to try to "fix" the bad and leave the good?

CkG

Because Clinton tax rates worked at both cutting deficit and not hampering economic growth. Why mess with a winning formula?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Give him a little more credit on the "raising taxes" issue. I hate to leak more of my insider scoops because I'm no Bob Novak, but if you don't think Dean is looking at some sort of true middle/working class and small business tax cut then you would be guilty of misunderestimating the man...

Then he better change his stance of repealing all of Bush's tax-cuts. The other candidates seem to understand this - why doesn't dean?

CkG

Because the taxcut package as a whole, by its very nature, shifts the tax burden away from the upper class towards the middle class. Thus, it must be repealed as a whole.

The other candidates have found it quite easy to find positions which address that - why hasn't dean?
You don't need to repeal it all - including the so-called "good"(for the poor and middle class) just because you think the overall is bad - why not just claim to try to "fix" the bad and leave the good?

CkG

Because Clinton tax rates worked at both cutting deficit and not hampering economic growth. Why mess with a winning formula?

So he is for raising taxes on everyone just like I said before.

The problem with the taxcut is that Bush still hasn't figured out how to pay for it by cutting spending. Which might be OK for short term stimulus, but over 10+ years it's lunacy.

And dean has it figured out? So exactly how is dean going to cut spending and/or increase taxes when he's saying all his new spending will be paid for by repealing Bush's tax-cuts - seems like there is no net change.

CkG