Bush Still Fudging the Numbers on Kerry's Tax Votes

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: wirelessenabled

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: UltraQuiet

*ALL* of the Bush ads have been.

That's a lie.

Prove it.

:thumbsup:

So will you STFU when I prove you wrong conjur? Or will you come up with some excuse to back out of your accusation that "*ALL* of the Bush ads have been." misleading. What happens when you are proven to be a liar?

CsG

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

I think all Bush ads attacking or mentioning John Kerry contain mistruths and distortions to some degree. I'd like to see one ad that doesn't. Cmon CAD, prove me wrong.

 

[LunarRay]

A well written political ad will be such that the message is clear but the words are not. It affords one the abilty to deny intention and pass the inference over to the consumer...
Both sides have experts generating ads... you can't prove or nail down either side. They will always have a fact available to point to that supports the ad content... So .. depending upon what the listener thinks that ad says they will either accept the support for it or argue it don't support the inference or statement.

Sorta like shooting an arrow at a star... you can see it but, you will never hit it.. hehehhe

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: wirelessenabled

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: UltraQuiet

*ALL* of the Bush ads have been.

That's a lie.

Prove it.

:thumbsup:

So will you STFU when I prove you wrong conjur? Or will you come up with some excuse to back out of your accusation that "*ALL* of the Bush ads have been." misleading. What happens when you are proven to be a liar?

CsG

There's only one ad I can think of that wasn't misleading. It was that Bush campaign ad I think it started off with a camera view from inside a pickup truck. It was supposed to be a feel-good message but it didn't last long on the airwaves. It really expressed no point whatsoever.

But, go ahead and find me some other ads that weren't misleading. If you do find one, it doesn't mean I was lying. Nice way to stretch the truth. All it means is that I was incorrect. It is possible I haven't seen all of the ads.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: wirelessenabled

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: UltraQuiet

*ALL* of the Bush ads have been.

That's a lie.

Prove it.

:thumbsup:

So will you STFU when I prove you wrong conjur? Or will you come up with some excuse to back out of your accusation that "*ALL* of the Bush ads have been." misleading. What happens when you are proven to be a liar?

CsG

There's only one ad I can think of that wasn't misleading. It was that Bush campaign ad I think it started off with a camera view from inside a pickup truck. It was supposed to be a feel-good message but it didn't last long on the airwaves. It really expressed no point whatsoever.

But, go ahead and find me some other ads that weren't misleading. If you do find one, it doesn't mean I was lying. Nice way to stretch the truth. All it means is that I was incorrect. It is possible I haven't seen all of the ads.

Nice try conjur- but you made the accusation - twice. If you are uninformed about Bush's ads then why did you say "ALL"? Heh - yeah, you weren't lying...but I'm stretching the truth? Pfffttt - you are a real piece of work conjur. You said "ALL" and that is a lie. You know it's a lie by your own weaselly sort of admission(you think there might be a pickup ad). If you thought there might be one - why did you make the accusation of "ALL"?

STFU
STFU 2

Well there are TWO for you so you won't come back and claim "only one".

Now what's that word you alway try to use....? Oh yeah...PWNED!

CsG

 

[DefRef]

Lessee here: Michael Moore makes a phony documentary with so many lies and holes that it's a miracle it fed thru the projector and you liberal-fascist-Democrats consider it the 100% God's....whoops, you guys don't believe it God, do you...100% truth and when the Swiftees put the lie to Kerry's phony war heroics and Bush points out that Kerry is more liberal than even Ted "Who hasn't gotten drunk and killed a date?" Kennedy, those are lies and smears.

Wow. What's next? A disappearing cat and a white rabbit with a watch?

---

DefRef,

References to events that are decades old and irrelevant to the topic of this thread or to this political campaign is mindless trolling. Your reference to Ted Kennedy, above, is an example. Please keep your comments relevant to the discussion.

AnandTech Moderator

 

[kage69]

Those sneaky Iranians. This is Tehran attempting to influence Americans into being stupid enough to re-elect GWB.

*Farsi accent*
'If a leader has proved inept, and actually aided us, then let's try to keep him there!'

 

[Jhhnn]

So, uhh, DefRef, have you actually seen F911? Or are you just parroting what your obviously uber right sources have told you?

Hey' it's not like getting snakebit or anything, won't poison that strident jackboot mentality one little bit, honest... you'll still be the same venomous and self-righteous thug afterwards...

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
There's only one ad I can think of that wasn't misleading. It was that Bush campaign ad I think it started off with a camera view from inside a pickup truck. It was supposed to be a feel-good message but it didn't last long on the airwaves. It really expressed no point whatsoever.

But, go ahead and find me some other ads that weren't misleading. If you do find one, it doesn't mean I was lying. Nice way to stretch the truth. All it means is that I was incorrect. It is possible I haven't seen all of the ads.

Nice try conjur- but you made the accusation - twice. If you are uninformed about Bush's ads then why did you say "ALL"? Heh - yeah, you weren't lying...but I'm stretching the truth? Pfffttt - you are a real piece of work conjur. You said "ALL" and that is a lie. You know it's a lie by your own weaselly sort of admission(you think there might be a pickup ad). If you thought there might be one - why did you make the accusation of "ALL"?

STFU
STFU 2

Well there are TWO for you so you won't come back and claim "only one".

Now what's that word you alway try to use....? Oh yeah...PWNED!

CsG

That one ad mentioning "ownership" tries to imply that Bush is responsible for the increased home ownership in the U.S. That's not misleading?

Tell me, CsG, what's the key reason more people own homes right? Tax cuts, or incredibly low interest rates due to a sluggish economy?


I thought so.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
There's only one ad I can think of that wasn't misleading. It was that Bush campaign ad I think it started off with a camera view from inside a pickup truck. It was supposed to be a feel-good message but it didn't last long on the airwaves. It really expressed no point whatsoever.

But, go ahead and find me some other ads that weren't misleading. If you do find one, it doesn't mean I was lying. Nice way to stretch the truth. All it means is that I was incorrect. It is possible I haven't seen all of the ads.

Nice try conjur- but you made the accusation - twice. If you are uninformed about Bush's ads then why did you say "ALL"? Heh - yeah, you weren't lying...but I'm stretching the truth? Pfffttt - you are a real piece of work conjur. You said "ALL" and that is a lie. You know it's a lie by your own weaselly sort of admission(you think there might be a pickup ad). If you thought there might be one - why did you make the accusation of "ALL"?

STFU
STFU 2

Well there are TWO for you so you won't come back and claim "only one".



Now what's that word you alway try to use....? Oh yeah...PWNED!

CsG

That one ad mentioning "ownership" tries to imply that Bush is responsible for the increased home ownership in the U.S. That's not misleading?

Tell me, CsG, what's the key reason more people own homes right? Tax cuts, or incredibly low interest rates due to a sluggish economy?


I thought so.

Talk about misleading. Are you done lying yet? Yes or no please.

President Bush:

I?m George W Bush and I approve this message.

One of the most important parts of a reform agenda is to encourage people to own something. Own their own home, own their own business, own their own health care plan, or own a piece of their retirement. Reforms that trust the people, reforms that say government must stand on the side of people. Because I understand if you own something, you have a vital stake in the future of America.

I don't see Bush taking credit for anything, only that various ties to "ownership" is part of his reform agenda. Your brain has misled you into believing it has the ability to offer you more than just regulating your breathing.


Oh, and here's another one Bush "nails".

You are a lying troll Conjur. Now, once again I'll ask. Are you through being a liar? Yes or no only, please.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
There's only one ad I can think of that wasn't misleading. It was that Bush campaign ad I think it started off with a camera view from inside a pickup truck. It was supposed to be a feel-good message but it didn't last long on the airwaves. It really expressed no point whatsoever.

But, go ahead and find me some other ads that weren't misleading. If you do find one, it doesn't mean I was lying. Nice way to stretch the truth. All it means is that I was incorrect. It is possible I haven't seen all of the ads.

Nice try conjur- but you made the accusation - twice. If you are uninformed about Bush's ads then why did you say "ALL"? Heh - yeah, you weren't lying...but I'm stretching the truth? Pfffttt - you are a real piece of work conjur. You said "ALL" and that is a lie. You know it's a lie by your own weaselly sort of admission(you think there might be a pickup ad). If you thought there might be one - why did you make the accusation of "ALL"?

STFU
STFU 2

Well there are TWO for you so you won't come back and claim "only one".



Now what's that word you alway try to use....? Oh yeah...PWNED!

CsG

That one ad mentioning "ownership" tries to imply that Bush is responsible for the increased home ownership in the U.S. That's not misleading?

Tell me, CsG, what's the key reason more people own homes right? Tax cuts, or incredibly low interest rates due to a sluggish economy?


I thought so.

Talk about misleading. Are you done lying yet? Yes or no please.

President Bush:

I?m George W Bush and I approve this message.

One of the most important parts of a reform agenda is to encourage people to own something. Own their own home, own their own business, own their own health care plan, or own a piece of their retirement. Reforms that trust the people, reforms that say government must stand on the side of people. Because I understand if you own something, you have a vital stake in the future of America.

I don't see Bush taking credit for anything, only that various ties to "ownership" is part of his reform agenda. Your brain has misled you into believing it has the ability to offer you more than just regulating your breathing.


Oh, and here's another one Bush "nails".

You are a lying troll Conjur. Now, once again I'll ask. Are you through being a liar? Yes or no only, please.

Ah yes - the trump card(plus debunking his claims against the "ownership" ad) 😉 Thanks for playing it as I was away most of the day today at the Bush Rally. I really hope this provide a chance conjur rethink his attack-mode hatred so he can once again return to being a somewhat realistic and objective poster.

CsG

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
There's only one ad I can think of that wasn't misleading. It was that Bush campaign ad I think it started off with a camera view from inside a pickup truck. It was supposed to be a feel-good message but it didn't last long on the airwaves. It really expressed no point whatsoever.

But, go ahead and find me some other ads that weren't misleading. If you do find one, it doesn't mean I was lying. Nice way to stretch the truth. All it means is that I was incorrect. It is possible I haven't seen all of the ads.

Nice try conjur- but you made the accusation - twice. If you are uninformed about Bush's ads then why did you say "ALL"? Heh - yeah, you weren't lying...but I'm stretching the truth? Pfffttt - you are a real piece of work conjur. You said "ALL" and that is a lie. You know it's a lie by your own weaselly sort of admission(you think there might be a pickup ad). If you thought there might be one - why did you make the accusation of "ALL"?

STFU
STFU 2

Well there are TWO for you so you won't come back and claim "only one".



Now what's that word you alway try to use....? Oh yeah...PWNED!

CsG

That one ad mentioning "ownership" tries to imply that Bush is responsible for the increased home ownership in the U.S. That's not misleading?

Tell me, CsG, what's the key reason more people own homes right? Tax cuts, or incredibly low interest rates due to a sluggish economy?


I thought so.

Talk about misleading. Are you done lying yet? Yes or no please.

President Bush:

I?m George W Bush and I approve this message.

One of the most important parts of a reform agenda is to encourage people to own something. Own their own home, own their own business, own their own health care plan, or own a piece of their retirement. Reforms that trust the people, reforms that say government must stand on the side of people. Because I understand if you own something, you have a vital stake in the future of America.

I don't see Bush taking credit for anything, only that various ties to "ownership" is part of his reform agenda. Your brain has misled you into believing it has the ability to offer you more than just regulating your breathing.


Oh, and here's another one Bush "nails".

You are a lying troll Conjur. Now, once again I'll ask. Are you through being a liar? Yes or no only, please.

Ah yes - the trump card(plus debunking his claims against the "ownership" ad) 😉 Thanks for playing it as I was away most of the day today at the Bush Rally. I really hope this provide a chance conjur rethink his attack-mode hatred so he can once again return to being a somewhat realistic and objective poster.

CsG

So what are the reasons for increased home ownership? If there are significant job losses, and people are making less money now than they were years ago. How can they suddenly afford new homes with decreased salaries? I think there's a lot of truth in what Conjur is saying, I've heard time and time again from real estate friends that interests rates are incredibly low right now and that the poor economy has a lot to do with it.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Over 75% of the official Bush ads were negative, the largest pecent in history. All of them that I have seen are misleading. While both sides are offenders, Bush is by far and away the biggest one. Of the 527s, most stick to issues and the records, the first swiftboat ad was way below the belt and full of outright lies (check factcheck.org).

Simply showing a Kerry or Moveon ad and claiming it's a wash is very misleading.

I've not seen a non-negative ad from either candidate. None of them have any factual basis. As I've been saying this whole time, political ads are to coerce people into voting who don't check the record. Moveon.org is a joke - I can't sit through one of their commercials because they're so absurd. I've had the good fortune of not having to see any of the swiftboat ads (I guess I got out of Ohio just in time).

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: UltraQuiet

*ALL* of the Bush ads have been.

That's a lie.

Prove it.

So you can make a blanket statement saying all Bush ads are misleading, but as soon as someone says that's a lie, they have the burden of proof? Typical.

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
So, uhh, DefRef, have you actually seen F911? Or are you just parroting what your obviously uber right sources have told you?

Hey' it's not like getting snakebit or anything, won't poison that strident jackboot mentality one little bit, honest... you'll still be the same venomous and self-righteous thug afterwards...

No one in good conscience can watch the film and not laugh or vomit. It's a complete travesty, and devoid of any semblance of 'documentary.' And yes, I've seen it. I laughed to avoid vomiting, if you must know.

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
So what are the reasons for increased home ownership? If there are significant job losses, and people are making less money now than they were years ago. How can they suddenly afford new homes with decreased salaries? I think there's a lot of truth in what Conjur is saying, I've heard time and time again from real estate friends that interests rates are incredibly low right now and that the poor economy has a lot to do with it.

Kerry's Dubious Economics (refers to the bold part of your statement)
Obviously, low interest rates make people more willing to buy houses. It's basically enabled people who would otherwise be living in an apartment or something to buy a house.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
There's only one ad I can think of that wasn't misleading. It was that Bush campaign ad I think it started off with a camera view from inside a pickup truck. It was supposed to be a feel-good message but it didn't last long on the airwaves. It really expressed no point whatsoever.

But, go ahead and find me some other ads that weren't misleading. If you do find one, it doesn't mean I was lying. Nice way to stretch the truth. All it means is that I was incorrect. It is possible I haven't seen all of the ads.

Nice try conjur- but you made the accusation - twice. If you are uninformed about Bush's ads then why did you say "ALL"? Heh - yeah, you weren't lying...but I'm stretching the truth? Pfffttt - you are a real piece of work conjur. You said "ALL" and that is a lie. You know it's a lie by your own weaselly sort of admission(you think there might be a pickup ad). If you thought there might be one - why did you make the accusation of "ALL"?

STFU
STFU 2

Well there are TWO for you so you won't come back and claim "only one".



Now what's that word you alway try to use....? Oh yeah...PWNED!

CsG

That one ad mentioning "ownership" tries to imply that Bush is responsible for the increased home ownership in the U.S. That's not misleading?

Tell me, CsG, what's the key reason more people own homes right? Tax cuts, or incredibly low interest rates due to a sluggish economy?


I thought so.

Talk about misleading. Are you done lying yet? Yes or no please.

President Bush:

I?m George W Bush and I approve this message.

One of the most important parts of a reform agenda is to encourage people to own something. Own their own home, own their own business, own their own health care plan, or own a piece of their retirement. Reforms that trust the people, reforms that say government must stand on the side of people. Because I understand if you own something, you have a vital stake in the future of America.

I don't see Bush taking credit for anything, only that various ties to "ownership" is part of his reform agenda. Your brain has misled you into believing it has the ability to offer you more than just regulating your breathing.


Oh, and here's another one Bush "nails".

You are a lying troll Conjur. Now, once again I'll ask. Are you through being a liar? Yes or no only, please.

Yoo Hoo!!! Conjur.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
There's only one ad I can think of that wasn't misleading. It was that Bush campaign ad I think it started off with a camera view from inside a pickup truck. It was supposed to be a feel-good message but it didn't last long on the airwaves. It really expressed no point whatsoever.

But, go ahead and find me some other ads that weren't misleading. If you do find one, it doesn't mean I was lying. Nice way to stretch the truth. All it means is that I was incorrect. It is possible I haven't seen all of the ads.

Nice try conjur- but you made the accusation - twice. If you are uninformed about Bush's ads then why did you say "ALL"? Heh - yeah, you weren't lying...but I'm stretching the truth? Pfffttt - you are a real piece of work conjur. You said "ALL" and that is a lie. You know it's a lie by your own weaselly sort of admission(you think there might be a pickup ad). If you thought there might be one - why did you make the accusation of "ALL"?

STFU
STFU 2

Well there are TWO for you so you won't come back and claim "only one".



Now what's that word you alway try to use....? Oh yeah...PWNED!

CsG

That one ad mentioning "ownership" tries to imply that Bush is responsible for the increased home ownership in the U.S. That's not misleading?

Tell me, CsG, what's the key reason more people own homes right? Tax cuts, or incredibly low interest rates due to a sluggish economy?


I thought so.

Talk about misleading. Are you done lying yet? Yes or no please.

President Bush:

I?m George W Bush and I approve this message.

One of the most important parts of a reform agenda is to encourage people to own something. Own their own home, own their own business, own their own health care plan, or own a piece of their retirement. Reforms that trust the people, reforms that say government must stand on the side of people. Because I understand if you own something, you have a vital stake in the future of America.

I don't see Bush taking credit for anything, only that various ties to "ownership" is part of his reform agenda. Your brain has misled you into believing it has the ability to offer you more than just regulating your breathing.


Oh, and here's another one Bush "nails".

You are a lying troll Conjur. Now, once again I'll ask. Are you through being a liar? Yes or no only, please.

Ah yes - the trump card(plus debunking his claims against the "ownership" ad) 😉 Thanks for playing it as I was away most of the day today at the Bush Rally. I really hope this provide a chance conjur rethink his attack-mode hatred so he can once again return to being a somewhat realistic and objective poster.

CsG

So what are the reasons for increased home ownership? If there are significant job losses, and people are making less money now than they were years ago. How can they suddenly afford new homes with decreased salaries? I think there's a lot of truth in what Conjur is saying, I've heard time and time again from real estate friends that interests rates are incredibly low right now and that the poor economy has a lot to do with it.

Obviously another moron didn't read the "ownership" ad. Tell you what, why don't you actually gaze upon the words of that ad, then come back and tell me if Bush makes any claim for any increase in home ownership. Incredible, really.

I do find it ironic, however, that you believe the myth of "decreased salaries" that Kerry oft repeats in his stumps. Too bad that claim also fails the sniff test.

I work for a wholesale lender with a significant presence in the residential mortgage industry. Our trend regarding the significant increase in purchase money loans (not refinances) relates specifically to product innovations: Downpayment assistance (103 - 107% lending), interest only, and other expanded lending criteria from what were considered sub-prime level borrowers to near conforming loan programs. These types of loans are not nearly as rate sensitive and the typical conforming product for people who are credit worthy with documented income sources--the people who historically purchase homes.

Bush can't claim our products as his success though. 😉

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
There's only one ad I can think of that wasn't misleading. It was that Bush campaign ad I think it started off with a camera view from inside a pickup truck. It was supposed to be a feel-good message but it didn't last long on the airwaves. It really expressed no point whatsoever.

But, go ahead and find me some other ads that weren't misleading. If you do find one, it doesn't mean I was lying. Nice way to stretch the truth. All it means is that I was incorrect. It is possible I haven't seen all of the ads.

Nice try conjur- but you made the accusation - twice. If you are uninformed about Bush's ads then why did you say "ALL"? Heh - yeah, you weren't lying...but I'm stretching the truth? Pfffttt - you are a real piece of work conjur. You said "ALL" and that is a lie. You know it's a lie by your own weaselly sort of admission(you think there might be a pickup ad). If you thought there might be one - why did you make the accusation of "ALL"?

STFU
STFU 2

Well there are TWO for you so you won't come back and claim "only one".



Now what's that word you alway try to use....? Oh yeah...PWNED!

CsG

That one ad mentioning "ownership" tries to imply that Bush is responsible for the increased home ownership in the U.S. That's not misleading?

Tell me, CsG, what's the key reason more people own homes right? Tax cuts, or incredibly low interest rates due to a sluggish economy?


I thought so.

Talk about misleading. Are you done lying yet? Yes or no please.

President Bush:

I?m George W Bush and I approve this message.

One of the most important parts of a reform agenda is to encourage people to own something. Own their own home, own their own business, own their own health care plan, or own a piece of their retirement. Reforms that trust the people, reforms that say government must stand on the side of people. Because I understand if you own something, you have a vital stake in the future of America.

I don't see Bush taking credit for anything, only that various ties to "ownership" is part of his reform agenda. Your brain has misled you into believing it has the ability to offer you more than just regulating your breathing.


Oh, and here's another one Bush "nails".

You are a lying troll Conjur. Now, once again I'll ask. Are you through being a liar? Yes or no only, please.

See that bolded part above?

Didn't think so.

The only troll is you, Corn. You're nothing but a sad, bitter person. You've never posted anything productive up here. You seek only to demean those whose opinions differ from yours.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur
There's only one ad I can think of that wasn't misleading. It was that Bush campaign ad I think it started off with a camera view from inside a pickup truck. It was supposed to be a feel-good message but it didn't last long on the airwaves. It really expressed no point whatsoever.

But, go ahead and find me some other ads that weren't misleading. If you do find one, it doesn't mean I was lying. Nice way to stretch the truth. All it means is that I was incorrect. It is possible I haven't seen all of the ads.

Nice try conjur- but you made the accusation - twice. If you are uninformed about Bush's ads then why did you say "ALL"? Heh - yeah, you weren't lying...but I'm stretching the truth? Pfffttt - you are a real piece of work conjur. You said "ALL" and that is a lie. You know it's a lie by your own weaselly sort of admission(you think there might be a pickup ad). If you thought there might be one - why did you make the accusation of "ALL"?

STFU
STFU 2

Well there are TWO for you so you won't come back and claim "only one".



Now what's that word you alway try to use....? Oh yeah...PWNED!

CsG

That one ad mentioning "ownership" tries to imply that Bush is responsible for the increased home ownership in the U.S. That's not misleading?

Tell me, CsG, what's the key reason more people own homes right? Tax cuts, or incredibly low interest rates due to a sluggish economy?


I thought so.

Talk about misleading. Are you done lying yet? Yes or no please.

President Bush:

I?m George W Bush and I approve this message.

One of the most important parts of a reform agenda is to encourage people to own something. Own their own home, own their own business, own their own health care plan, or own a piece of their retirement. Reforms that trust the people, reforms that say government must stand on the side of people. Because I understand if you own something, you have a vital stake in the future of America.

I don't see Bush taking credit for anything, only that various ties to "ownership" is part of his reform agenda. Your brain has misled you into believing it has the ability to offer you more than just regulating your breathing.


Oh, and here's another one Bush "nails".

You are a lying troll Conjur. Now, once again I'll ask. Are you through being a liar? Yes or no only, please.

See that bolded part above?

Didn't think so.

The only troll is you, Corn. You're nothing but a sad, bitter person. You've never posted anything productive up here. You seek only to demean those whose opinions differ from yours.

Yoo Hoo, Conjur. Bolding aside, could you please do me the favor of posting Bush's quote from that ad where he "tries to imply" he is responsible for the increase in home ownership? Please do lay the smack down.........or I'll just do it for you, you lying troll.

Now answer my question Conjur. Are you through lying yet? Yes or no only please.

 

[Corn]

I'm impatient. I'll post the entire "ownership" myself:

Script for "Ownership"
30 seconds

President Bush:

I?m George W Bush and I approve this message.

One of the most important parts of a reform agenda is to encourage people to own something. Own their own home, own their own business, own their own health care plan, or own a piece of their retirement. Reforms that trust the people, reforms that say government must stand on the side of people. Because I understand if you own something, you have a vital stake in the future of America.

I don't see any mention of any sudden increase in home ownership, thus how could a claim for such be implied? I don't understand Conjur.....where is the "misleading" part where he tries to imply something he didn't actually say?

That's because it doesn't exist and you are simply an idiot troll and liar to boot. Now answer the question Conjur: Are you through being a lying troll yet? Yes or no only please.

 

[conjur]

Have you seen the ad?

Do you not see the words? Bush is attempting to associate himself with the rise in home ownership. He's trying to imply that he's responsible for it.

That is complete and utter tripe.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: conjur
Have you seen the ad?

Do you not see the words? Bush is attempting to associate himself with the rise in home ownership. He's trying to imply that he's responsible for it.

That is complete and utter tripe.

Yes, I do see the words. Evidently you see words that are not there. How does someone associate themselves with something that he doesn't even mention? You are one of the most bizarre people I've had the misfortune of having to converse with.

Now answer the question Conjur. You stated that *all* Bush ads are lies. I've already provided evidence to the contrary. Are you through being a lying troll yet? Yes or no only please.

 

[conjur]

You have proven no such thing. You are ignoring the obvious in Bush's attempts to link himself to the rise in homeownership.

Now, stop your trolling.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Real Estate News

]While not proposing any new plans on housing, Bush indirectly linked the high number of home owners to his tax cuts which he says have allowed consumers to spend on what they want rather than on what the government wants.

?The pace of economic growth in the third quarter of 2003 was the fastest in nearly 20 years,? Bush told members of Congress. ?New home construction: the highest in almost 20 years. Home ownership rates: the highest ever ? Interest rates are low. ? These numbers confirm that that the American people are using their money far better than the government would have -- and you were right to return it.? [/B

 

[Todd33]

Ya, I bought my house with my $300 tax refund. I'm so glad he gave it back to me and bankrupted the government.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur
You have proven no such thing. You are ignoring the obvious in Bush's attempts to link himself to the rise in homeownership.

Now, stop your trolling.

Umm - how about the other TWO? You "claim" the ownership one is "misleading" but it isn't and you know it. But lets leave that one aside for a moment - what about the other two that have been linked to?

...thought so...

CsG

 

[Infohawk]

The Bush campaign is smart. They know they have to scare people into thinking four years with Kerry could actually be worse than another four years with the chimp. To do this, they have to deceive. They're doing it quite well.