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Bush "Still A Factor", Rove Warns

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Pabster

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Story here.

Rove makes some good points. The one that is spot on is that those who shun the "lame duck" GWB will pay a political price for it. There's no question about that.

Bush's approval ratings aren't exactly off the scale but have improved greatly since the Petraeus testimony.
 
I don't think he makes any good points. The fact is that Bush has zero credibility, which was further diminished by the revelation that he has been pushing the Iran WMD program despite knowing for months it was dead.

Turdblossom just continues to dig himself in deeper every time he opens his mouth. At this point I don't understand why anyone gives him a forum.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Story here.

Rove makes some good points. The one that is spot on is that those who shun the "lame duck" GWB will pay a political price for it. There's no question about that.

Bush's approval ratings aren't exactly off the scale but have improved greatly since the Petraeus testimony.
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His ratings still show that the American Public has no confidence in him and his ability to run this country. Even you have criticized him for his fiscal policies and have said he was no Conservative.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Pabster
Story here.

Rove makes some good points. The one that is spot on is that those who shun the "lame duck" GWB will pay a political price for it. There's no question about that.

Bush's approval ratings aren't exactly off the scale but have improved greatly since the Petraeus testimony.
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His ratings still show that the American Public has no confidence in him and his ability to run this country. Even you have criticized him for his fiscal policies and have said he was no Conservative.
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Bush is nothing more than a warhawk who has little regard for fiscal policies in this country unless they fall lock-step in the Republican (read: not necessarily conservative) mantra.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
His ratings still show that the American Public has no confidence in him and his ability to run this country. Even you have criticized him for his fiscal policies and have said he was no Conservative.
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I've criticized him for many things. Fiscal policies being just one of many areas where I've been disappointed with GWB. Amnesty is right up there too...

And you're right, his numbers are hardly gloat-worthy. But they have increased.
 
If anybody has less credibility than Bush, it's Rove. The fact that he is saying this makes me look for some ulterior motive.

But maybe his motive is to keep Hillary out of the White House, in which case he and I are on the same page for a change.
 
Rove is right and wrong.

Bush is a factor, but the only price that will be paid will be by those who don't shun him, at least outside of die-hard solidly red conservative districts.
 
Bush and the Republican candidate will appear together in some states, mostly the south, but the candidate will attempt to keep pictures and news stories of them together to a minimum.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
His ratings still show that the American Public has no confidence in him and his ability to run this country. Even you have criticized him for his fiscal policies and have said he was no Conservative.
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I've criticized him for many things. Fiscal policies being just one of many areas where I've been disappointed with GWB. Amnesty is right up there too...

And you're right, his numbers are hardly gloat-worthy. But they have increased.
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Yeah, they have really increased :roll:

Bushs' historical ratings
 
I agree with Rove, Bush will make it hard for whichever GOP nominee tries to distance himself from Bush's policies by criticizing them. 😀
It's just too precious. Bush's approval may be in the tank, but the support of the people who approve of Bush is key to a Republican nominee. So if that nominee tries to shun away from Bush's record, he'll get hammered by the pro Bush base.
 
This is the first time I've seen someone put an approval rating of about 33% or so (average) as a positive thing. Bush is one of the most deeply and enduringly disliked presidents in American history, and his signature policy is an unmitigated disaster for our country. I think candidates would be well advised not to appear too close to him. (outside of the Republican primary of course)
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
His ratings still show that the American Public has no confidence in him and his ability to run this country. Even you have criticized him for his fiscal policies and have said he was no Conservative.
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I've criticized him for many things. Fiscal policies being just one of many areas where I've been disappointed with GWB. Amnesty is right up there too...

And you're right, his numbers are hardly gloat-worthy. But they have increased.
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What, we have to keep bleeding ourselves for Muslims, have to keep spending more, and have to keep encouraging illegals or we?ll be punished by ?Bush?s GOP?? F? them, doing anything BUT opposing these policies punishes the entire nation.

I don?t care if fake conservatives hate us, in-fact I want them to hate us because they have no place in the GOP.
 
Bush is going to throw the Republicans under the bus in 2008 like he did in 2006. It's still all about him in his head. The Republican nominee will simultaneously have to distance himself from Bush and not alienate the 33% who are dumb enough to still approve of Bush's job performance. It's a nice wedge for the Democrats to use.
 
Rove is still spinning the truth. Murtha's remarks are taken out of context and what are basically a year worth of coming future are very unlikely to all break GWB's way. If one is willing to believe the 29% to 36% jump in popularity, just one set back could ease that 7 point jump. And send GWB back to a new sub 25% ratings.

Historically Americans vote their wallet and its likely the economy will get worse. And all the rosy promises GWB made remain unfulfilled. GWB has been the quid essential divider and not a uniter. The Iraq war has now cost a wee mite more than the 50 billion tops his advisers
loudly proclaimed, and the WMD they loudly proclaimed was all mythical.

But two basic thing might redeem GWB. (1) Real political progress in Iraq with an end to the war in sight. (2) Substantial progress in a mid-east settlement all sides support. With one or both delivered before 11/4/2008.

The pre-emtive GWB bombing of Iran is still a non zero future possibility that could rapidly backfire on GWB. Or might somehow elevate GWB in popularity as the long term consequences and benefits descend on some future President and Congress.

On the negative side of the ledger, the list is almost infinitely long. (1) Iraqi violence could again escalate. (2) The GWB peace conference could rapidly collapse. (3) Any of the neighboring countries GWB has destabilized could go under igniting regional wars. (4) Our currency and economy may suffer big sets backs. (5) Our allies may desert us over continuing GWB policies. (6) The public may learn more about the inner working of GWB&co
as 2008 becomes the year of deepening Republican scandals. (7,8,0,10....) Insert your own
probable event.

In short, GWB has one year left to deliver POSITIVE EVENTS. Events are reality and can't be
readily spun. The public is now disenchanted about the results of GWB administration 1,2,3,4,5,6, and 7. Its now year 8 or bust.

As for ole Karl, he may still be frog Marched back to Washington and there is that little matter of a subpoena still awaiting him.
 
Enduringly disliked by democrats since the 2000 election, that is. democrats are haters. They hate people who disagree with them, who are tolerant of their intolerance. democrats especially hate those who believe in religion, mainly christians, of course. I do not like some of the things that the president did - illigals, for example - but if he were allowed to run again, he would be the better choice compared to any of the candidates from the democrat side.


As for his signature policy being an "unmitigated disaster for our country" just what might that be?

Originally posted by: eskimospy
This is the first time I've seen someone put an approval rating of about 33% or so (average) as a positive thing. Bush is one of the most deeply and enduringly disliked presidents in American history, and his signature policy is an unmitigated disaster for our country. I think candidates would be well advised not to appear too close to him. (outside of the Republican primary of course)
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I voted for him twice.. and I'd say I was even a holdout supporter of him thinking he was trying to do the right thing..

But now, I hate him. He broke his promises. He lied to the American people. He sold us out to big government and big corporations. His administration is rampant cronyism.

He is absolutely horrible. I'd agree with Donald Trump.. he's been a disaster.


Karl Rove needs to be thrown in jail.. along with the rest of the Bush administration.
 
Originally posted by: brxndxn
I voted for him twice.. and I'd say I was even a holdout supporter of him thinking he was trying to do the right thing..

But now, I hate him. He broke his promises. He lied to the American people. He sold us out to big government and big corporations. His administration is rampant cronyism.

He is absolutely horrible. I'd agree with Donald Trump.. he's been a disaster.


Karl Rove needs to be thrown in jail.. along with the rest of the Bush administration.
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And here I'm just coming to love him and look...............
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What if Bush is a really great President and right about Iran and Iraq?
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Past and present tense says he is not a great president and he's wrong about Iraq. Too early to say about Iran. Let's see what course Iran takes. 😉

The only thing I ever agreed with Bush on, was that we needed to find whoever was resposible for 9/11 and bring them to justice.

 
The galley slaves of the repub party are getting restless- so Rove reminds 'em that they're still chained to the oars of the SS BushCo...

So ROW!, biatches, like your political life depends on it- If the enemy doesn't kill you, we will...

Rove already jumped ship, with his post-dated pardon in his pocket..
 
Originally posted by: wiin
Enduringly disliked by democrats since the 2000 election, that is. democrats are haters. They hate people who disagree with them, who are tolerant of their intolerance. democrats especially hate those who believe in religion, mainly christians, of course. I do not like some of the things that the president did - illigals, for example - but if he were allowed to run again, he would be the better choice compared to any of the candidates from the democrat side.


As for his signature policy being an "unmitigated disaster for our country" just what might that be?

Originally posted by: eskimospy
This is the first time I've seen someone put an approval rating of about 33% or so (average) as a positive thing. Bush is one of the most deeply and enduringly disliked presidents in American history, and his signature policy is an unmitigated disaster for our country. I think candidates would be well advised not to appear too close to him. (outside of the Republican primary of course)
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Yeah, Republicans are some really tolerant folks :roll:

As for "hating religion", at least 80% of the country considers themselves Christian, and much of the other 20% believing in some other religion, and since Republicans comprise less than half of the country, something tells me you're full of shit. Not to mention that you seem to be linking disapproval of Bush with being a Democratic "hater", so apparently 70% of the population is Democrats, and they hate 90% of the population. That's some impressive math, superfly.
 
Its really Republicans who are the haters. And Rove is right. All those Republican who don't support GWB will still probably lose their re-election bids in 2008 along with those that stayed faithful supporting GWB. But those newly unemployed Republicans that failed to support GWB will be denied entry to the Republican retirement home. Where only the faithful can collaborate with each other in writing various revisionists histories of the period blaming the press for being caught at their various crimes.
 
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