Bush says no to 9/11 investigation deadline extension

Gaard

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9/11 Panel Unlikely to Get Later Deadline

A growing number of commission members had concluded that the panel needs more time to prepare a thorough and credible accounting of missteps leading to the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. But the White House and leading Republicans have informed the panel that they oppose any delay, which raises the possibility that Sept. 11-related controversies could emerge during the heat of the presidential campaign, sources said.


Bush is quoted as saying, "No extension's. They have until the set deadline to comply or face serious consequences."

 

tallest1

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Glad to see that Bush is a proponent of truth
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Originally posted by: Gaard
9/11 Panel Unlikely to Get Later Deadline

A growing number of commission members had concluded that the panel needs more time to prepare a thorough and credible accounting of missteps leading to the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. But the White House and leading Republicans have informed the panel that they oppose any delay, which raises the possibility that Sept. 11-related controversies could emerge during the heat of the presidential campaign, sources said.


Bush is quoted as saying, "No extension's. They have until the set deadline to comply or face serious consequences."

Serious consequences? Are we going to kill them too?
 

BaliBabyDoc

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White House spokeswoman Erin Healy said, "The administration has given them an unprecedented amount of cooperation . . . and we expect they will be able to meet that deadline."

John Feehery, a spokesman for Hastert, said there is little support for a delay in the Republican-controlled Congress. "I can't imagine a situation where they get an extension," Feehery said. "I don't sense a lot of enthusiasm for considering that."
Considering the commission had some difficulty with acquiring necessary documents from the Bush administration (and sometimes Congress) shouldn't these bodies allow the 9/11 panel all the time necessary to do a proper investigation? If the goal is to determine what happened, what went wrong, and possibly what should be done differently in the future . . . then give the commission more time. If this commission is just another "cover my arse" exercise then any deadline will do . . . kind like looking for WMD in Iraq.:Q
 

Insane3D

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They likely don't want what is expected to be a generally unfavorable report out near election time, and are refusing to allow more time for this reason. They probably figure if it is released by the date they have set, any negative press they get out of it will be forgotten by election time...and sadly...they're probably right...

IMO...of course. :p
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Well how about this compromise . . . since it is unlikely government regulations/policy will change based on the commission's findings . . . why not move the deadline to Jan 2005? A blackout on "official and unofficial" releases from the commission up through the 2004 election would solve the problem of "bad press", while more time would allow the commission to interview EVERYONE and peruse ALL the documents. The most important element to this commission is to do it right. TBPH, I don't really care if the families of 9/11 victims get closure. I don't really care what the report does for Bush. What I care about is for correctable errors to be identified and a plan developed to address them.
 

mfs378

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The report should be released when it is ready. If it takes more time, then give them more time. Since they were initially supposed to report on the earlier deadline, have them give a preliminary overview of the findings to date.

There is no reason why this should be delayed past the election. This is something that people should base their vote upon. The report is a finding of fact and analysis of performance, not an attempt to slander this administration.

My guess is the report will show the Bush administration as ineffectual. No wonder they are trying to minimize its political impact.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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TBPH, I would love to see the Bushies back their bags but it's more important for the commission to deliver an accurate report than a quick one. This commission was never going to deliver good news for the Bush administration so I understand why Bushies originally opposed the commission's charter, why they have been largely uncooperative, and why they want it to end quickly so it can be buried with $170M of campaign bluster. But if the only way to get a superior report is to give Bush a pass through Election 2004, I'm game.
 

heartsurgeon

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gee...while it seems to me that liberals assume that Bush wants to "hide something" maybe the real truth is he's not going to let the Democrats turn this into a circus of accusations and posturing that are all politically motivated, and have nothing to do with actually strengthing the U.S. against future attack....to wit, the infamous

Rockefeller Memo

Here is the full text of the memo from the office of Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WVa.) on setting a strategy for pursuing an independent investigation of pre-war White House intelligence dealings on Iraq.

We have carefully reviewed our options under the rules and believe we have identified the best approach. Our plan is as follows:

1) Pull the majority along as far as we can on issues that may lead to major new disclosures regarding improper or questionable conduct by administration officials. We are having some success in that regard.

For example, in addition to the President's State of the Union speech, the chairman [Sen. Pat Roberts] has agreed to look at the activities of the office of the Secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, as well as Secretary Bolton's office at the State Department.

The fact that the chairman supports our investigations into these offices and cosigns our requests for information is helpful and potentially crucial. We don't know what we will find but our prospects for getting the access we seek is far greater when we have the backing of the majority. [We can verbally mention some of the intriguing leads we are pursuing.]

2) Assiduously prepare Democratic 'additional views' to attach to any interim or final reports the committee may release. Committee rules provide this opportunity and we intend to take full advantage of it.

In that regard we may have already compiled all the public statements on Iraq made by senior administration officials. We will identify the most exaggerated claims. We will contrast them with the intelligence estimates that have since been declassified. Our additional views will also, among other things, castigate the majority for seeking to limit the scope of the inquiry.

The Democrats will then be in a strong position to reopen the question of establishing an Independent Commission [i.e., the Corzine Amendment.]

3) Prepare to launch an independent investigation when it becomes clear we have exhausted the opportunity to usefully collaborate with the majority. We can pull the trigger on an independent investigation of the administration's use of intelligence at any time. But we can only do so once.

The best time to do so will probably be next year, either:

A) After we have already released our additional views on an interim report, thereby providing as many as three opportunities to make our case to the public. Additional views on the interim report (1). The announcement of our independent investigation (2). And (3) additional views on the final investigation. Or:

B) Once we identify solid leads the majority does not want to pursue, we would attract more coverage and have greater credibility in that context than one in which we simply launch an independent investigation based on principled but vague notions regarding the use of intelligence.

In the meantime, even without a specifically authorized independent investigation, we continue to act independently when we encounter footdragging on the part of the majority. For example, the FBI Niger investigation was done solely at the request of the vice chairman. We have independently submitted written requests to the DOD and we are preparing further independent requests for information.

SUMMARY: Intelligence issues are clearly secondary to the public's concern regarding the insurgency in Iraq. Yet we have an important role to play in revealing the misleading, if not flagrantly dishonest, methods and motives of senior administration officials who made the case for unilateral preemptive war.

The approach outlined above seems to offer the best prospect for exposing the administration's dubious motives.


Just more political hackery....
fishing expedition
vague claims of "dubous", "misleading" , "additional views" which can be any B.S. they want
heck, "Our additional views will also, among other things, castigate the majority for seeking to limit the scope of the inquiry."
they've been planning all along to drag the investigation out, and then assert the Republicans want to "limit the scope of the inquiry"
this is standard politics 101... make unreasonable demands, then "castigate" the other side for not agreeing to the unreasonable demands...THEY PLANNED IT THIS WAY "The best time to do so will probably be next year"

please....









 

BaliBabyDoc

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As the previous Bushies rant bears out . . . it's more important to get an accurate report than a timely report. In this case, delaying release until after the election will reduce its utility as a political football while giving them time to do it right.
 

alchemize

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I think I agree with you BBD, problem is both sides recognize it is a political football and hence have strapped their helmets on :(
 

mfs378

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The potential political uses of the report should not play in determining the release date.

If the report is critical of Bush then of course democrats will use it. Similarly, if the report cleared Bush of wrongdoing, republicans would be trumpeting the message.

The report is the only way that we are going to find out the truth behind 9/11. If republicans fear that the content will be altered incorrectly to attack Bush, then their efforts should be directed at preventing that, as opposed to simply trying to prevent the release of the report.

And if the report does show that Bush was ineffectual, then having that information out before the election is important, because there is nothing as concrete as this report to contradict the Bush claims of being blindsided (if that is the case). The information must be accurate, but it must be released in a timeframe when it is still relevant. Otherwise we may as well keep it hidden for 50 years as we do with many other documents.
 

Jhhnn

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Classic "nail their foot to the floor and tell them to run" play from the Bushies. At this point, the commission should resign en masse, citing lack of cooperation...
 

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This administraton, backed by and supported by the most right wing of the republican party, will stonewall any attempt at getting knowledge of thier doings if there is the slightest shread of evidence that they are doing things wrong, putting their re election efforts in jeapordy. This is about the most corrupt damned adminstration I have seen in the history of the US. I loath and despise these people and the people like Ann Coulter and Rush druggy Limbaugh, that support it without narry a thought to providing the people with truth and fairness, so wise choices can be made about their future.

Add insult to injury, the bastard now will offer in his state of the union address, universal healthcare, GOP edition, all the while claiming he hasn't started his re election campaign ( yet news sources all over are declaring his camaign has been up and running for 6 months in Virgina) . This is a blatent attempt to swing voters to the republican side, knowing full well it is contrary to the republican platform and would never pass in a republican congress. When are you myopic drones going to wake up and see this freakin President has single handledly done more to destroy our economy, our environment, our relationship with other counties of this planet, then any other adminstration in history?

It amazes me this ratbastard texan piece of crap even got 1/2 the US voters to buy into his BS in 2000. There had best not be apathy in this election. The thought of this Ahole getting 4 more years without having to worry about re election scares the crap out of me. I hope you people really take a hard look at his record, how many promises he kept from the last "campaign", and what he is about to promise you now. :evil:
 

Bowfinger

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I think it's outrageous that the Republicans are OK with taking five (5) years to investigate a private incident re. consensual sex between two adults, yet think 18 months is plenty of time to investigate the most heinous act of terrorism in United States history -- an investigation involving hundreds (thousands?) of people and a President of the United States who continues to stonewall in providing documents. One couldn't invent a better example of hypocrisy, yet there are Bush apologists who continue to bleat all the rationalizations about why this is just and proper.

In my opinion, the whole lot of them should be tried for treason and supporting terrorism, because that's exactly what they are doing. You either support this investigation, fully, without restrictions and reservations, or you support terrorism. It's that simple. By hampering this investigation for the last 30 months, they help our enemies attack us again in the future.

I hope the Democrats have enough backbone to raise a holy stink about this every chance they get, and enough Republicans have the integrity to join them.
 

Insane3D

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BaliBabyDoc -

I agree...an accurate report is really what should be important here. The more accurate the report, the more we will know how to avoid a future occurance. I was just trying to put forth a plausible explanation as to why the request was being denied.

:)
 

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Bow:

I'd ditto all of that. The importance of this investigation cannot be overstated. If Bush made mistakes the country needs to know what they were so the same mistakes aren't repeated. Rushing the committee is not good for the country, though it may help Bush's re-election chances.

-Robert
 

heartsurgeon

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I suspect that reading is a chore for many of the liberal posters on this forum...but i implore you to read the Rockefeller Memo..

if you read the memo critically, you will notice that the Dems have decided even before all the facts are known, that they will accuse the Bush Administration of all sorts of evil...accuse them of "footdragging", and finally launch a three pronged attack timed precisely for maximal political play...ALL BEFOREHAND!

the Rockefeller Memo proves that the Dems only agenda in this investigation is to generate a political smear during an election year...they have documented their untrustworthyness and insincerity about investigating 9/11.

why on earth would the Republicans agree to assisting them in this cold, calculated debasement of the tragedy of 9/11.

the article states "a growing number" of commission members want more time..what the heck does that mean (nobody before, now one member?) the only member wanting more time, quoted by name is a democrat.

curiously enough, another democrat is quoted as saying the allotted time is sufficient
"..former representative Lee Hamilton (D-Ind.) -- said the panel would have enough time to complete its work..."

only a cold-blooded liberal would not find the Rockefeller Memo obscene.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
I suspect that reading is a chore for many of the liberal posters on this forum...but i implore you to read the Rockefeller Memo..

if you read the memo critically, you will notice that the Dems have decided even before all the facts are known, that they will accuse the Bush Administration of all sorts of evil...accuse them of "footdragging", and finally launch a three pronged attack timed precisely for maximal political play...ALL BEFOREHAND!

the Rockefeller Memo proves that the Dems only agenda in this investigation is to generate a political smear during an election year...they have documented their untrustworthyness and insincerity about investigating 9/11.

why on earth would the Republicans agree to assisting them in this cold, calculated debasing of the tragedy of 9/11.

only a cold-blooded liberal would not find the Rockefeller Memo obscene.
That's a great conspiracy theory and a sly attempt to divert from the topic at hand. If you read, however, you will learn two things. First, the Rockefeller memo focuses on Iraq, NOT 9/11. Second, it is Republican Thomas Kean, Chairman of the Commission, who has complained about stonewalling by the White House.

Unless you recant, I will add you to the list of the anti-American terrorism supporters who does NOT support this investigation fully, without restrictions or reservations.

Will there be anything else, or can we consider you owned?
 
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loath and despise these people and the people like Ann Coulter and Rush druggy Limbaugh, that support it without narry a thought to providing the people with truth and fairness, so wise choices can be made about their future.

I don't hear Limbaugh too often (once in awhile if I have to drive to a client's place in the morning, but I never have the radio on at home...) but from what I've heard recently, he's anything but Bush's lapdog. He criticizes Bush quite a bit for his expansion of government and lack of devotion to his so-called "Conservative Principles." I disagree with probably 3/4 of what Rush says, but he's not a stupid man, nor a dishonest one.

Jason
 

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Thomas Kean was quoted last month as saying the attacks were preventable and if it were up to him people in the White House would be fired. Evidently the report is very close to being done if Kean is running his mouth in this fashion and May is apparently more than enough time.
 

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This thread amuses me. All the people who want us to stop looking for WMD's and pull out of Iraq are here to say we should extend this investigation indefinitely. So we need to find the "truth" about 9/11, but we can't take indefinitely to find the "truth" about Iraq.

Go figure.
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mfs378

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Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
loath and despise these people and the people like Ann Coulter and Rush druggy Limbaugh, that support it without narry a thought to providing the people with truth and fairness, so wise choices can be made about their future.

I don't hear Limbaugh too often (once in awhile if I have to drive to a client's place in the morning, but I never have the radio on at home...) but from what I've heard recently, he's anything but Bush's lapdog. He criticizes Bush quite a bit for his expansion of government and lack of devotion to his so-called "Conservative Principles." I disagree with probably 3/4 of what Rush says, but he's not a stupid man, nor a dishonest one.

Jason

He may not be a Bush lapdog, but he certainly is one for the right wing. I listened to him the other day, just because I wanted to hear what he was saying about the primaries. His take on Clark's congressional testimony was blatantly false. His treatment consisted of playing a few clips, and then laughing while squeaking out the words that Clark was contradicting himself. It was funny for a while, but got kind of annoying after about 15 minutes with no real commentary other than saying that Clark was wrong without making the case.

Its too bad he is so popular.
 

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Originally posted by: dirtboy
This thread amuses me. All the people who want us to stop looking for WMD's and pull out of Iraq are here to say we should extend this investigation indefinitely. So we need to find the "truth" about 9/11, but we can't take indefinitely to find the "truth" about Iraq.

Go figure.
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I don't see anyone in here saying we should quit looking for WMD and few (or none) saying we should pull out of Iraq. This investigation was started to find the truth (and in my already stated opinion it is done). The WMD in Iraq was stated as fact before hand and it should not take an indefinite search to find it. In other words not only is your argument disingenuous, it is trying to compare apples and oranges.