• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Bush says $286 bln highway bill creates U.S. jobs

Stunt

Diamond Member
$286 Billion in government funds creates jobs?...no sh!t sherlock.

Do you know what else will creates jobs? Public healthcare, increasing military staffing, more politican pet projects.

I am not against highway infrastructure, but the way this guy is marketing government spending is just plain nutty. And this guy is "conservative"; keep up the good work Bush.

Source
Bush says $286 bln highway bill creates U.S. jobs
Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:08 PM ET

MONTGOMERY, Ill. (Reuters) - President Bush signed a $286.5 billion highway bill on Wednesday that he said would create new jobs but which critics contend is stuffed with billions of dollars worth of lawmakers' pet projects.

The legislation funds road and mass transit construction for six years, but also contains $24 billion in "pork" -- special add-ons initiated by members of the Senate and House of Representatives to curry favor in their home districts.

"The bill ... is going to help give hundreds of thousands of Americans good paying jobs," Bush said. "Our economy depends on us having the most efficient, reliable transportation system in the world and if we want people working in America we've got to make sure our highways and roads are modern."

Bush said it accomplished the goals of upgrading roads, bridges and mass transit and ensuring safety in "a fiscally responsible way" without raising gasoline taxes.

But the measure contains more than 6,300 special projects.

They include $231 million for a bridge in Anchorage to be named Don Young's Way after Republican Rep. Don Young of Alaska, who heads the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, and $2.3 million for landscaping along the Ronald Reagan Freeway in California.

Alaska, the third-least populated state, got the fourth most money for special projects -- $941 million -- according to an analysis by the government watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense.

Keith Ashdown, the group's vice president, said Bush should have vetoed the "fiscally irresponsible" bill.

"It leaves the nation stuck in traffic gridlock, but greases the wheels of powerful politicians," Ashdown said. "This bill is by far the most expensive, wasteful highway bill in the nation's history."

California, Illinois and New York received the largest amounts. Ranking 10th was Oklahoma -- the home state of Republican Sen. James Inhofe, the bill's chief Senate negotiator, who was at the bill signing ceremony.

At a Caterpillar plant that builds highway construction equipment in Montgomery, part of Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert's Illinois district, Bush promised there would be "more jobs created around places like this."

Tieless, his shirt-sleeves rolled up, Bush, who came to the event from his 33-day vacation at his Texas ranch, told the Caterpillar employees: "There's a Cat working on the ranch right now, and I'm not driving it."

White House spokesman Trent Duffy defended the bill, pointing out that Bush had set a spending cap, rejecting efforts in Congress to pass a package that was originally closer to $400 billion.

"This is a balanced transportation bill that funds our infrastructure needs while not breaking the bank," Duffy said.

The legislation was delayed for 22 months as Congress wrangled with the White House over cost.

Lawmakers also wrestled over allocation formulas for states. Gas tax receipts contributed by states go to a federal trust fund that pays for highway programs. Some states put in more than they get back in construction grants. They sought and received a bigger payout.

Among key safety provisions, Congress would reward states with grants for passing tough seat belt laws. The bill also would allow private companies to raise up to $15 billion for highway projects with bonds that are exempt from federal income taxes. It expanded the ethanol excise tax credit to include alternative fuels and authorized the government to crack down on fuel tax evasion.
 
This bill had broad bipartisan support as well.

Text

The 91-4 vote in the Senate came hours after the House approved the measure, 412-8.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
This bill had broad bipartisan support as well.

Text

The 91-4 vote in the Senate came hours after the House approved the measure, 412-8.

Of course it does, who in Congress doesn't like to spend money on pork projects. This bill is 1,794 pages long. As long as part of the money goes to the infastructure of the US highway system, I can't complain too much as the gasoline tax "should" be the main funding engine for the bill. At least the tax is going toward what it was collected for.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
This bill had broad bipartisan support as well.

Text

The 91-4 vote in the Senate came hours after the House approved the measure, 412-8.
Says the guy who gets mad when others point out democrat flaws similar in the Republican party.

They both suck, we all know.

Zendari, how bout trying to justifying highway spending jobs and not justifying public healthcare spending jobs.
 
This just in, dumping $200+B dollars into the economy makes jobs. Where does that money come from? It's mostly pork, both sides love pork, but only one side controls every aspect of the Federal government.
 
Just imagine if the $300 Billion that is going toward a war would have done if it were dumped into our economy, or even split toward the deficit and the economy? eh?

Also just heard that the deficit may be even lower than $300 Billion for this year. While still completely unacceptable, it's going, for the first time in 5 years, down. The extra 2 plus trillion that has been added to the overall deficit will hurt generations to come though (very sadly).
 
Let's be perfectly straight up about George W. Bush's politics. On areas that don't appear to directly touch his religion, he is a moderate, and on some subjects (immigration, domestic spending) effectively governs to the left of Clinton.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Let's be perfectly straight up about George W. Bush's politics. On areas that don't appear to directly touch his religion, he is a moderate, and on some subjects (immigration, domestic spending) effectively governs to the left of Clinton.
Or he straight up is appealing to his voter base and supporters but like no other president before him.

Tax cuts disproportionately directed at the rich.
Government Pork for Gov't friendly companies.
Tax cuts and corporate welfare for Gov't friendly companies.
Immigration for his extremely high Hispanic turnout.
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: zendari
This bill had broad bipartisan support as well.

Text

The 91-4 vote in the Senate came hours after the House approved the measure, 412-8.
Says the guy who gets mad when others point out democrat flaws similar in the Republican party.

They both suck, we all know.

Zendari, how bout trying to justifying highway spending jobs and not justifying public healthcare spending jobs.

Curious then how the Democrats involvement in this wasn't mentioned at all in your OP. In fact, the top 3 states receiving funding are blue states!

Roadways truly help everyone, rich or poor, across the country. Road conditions in my area are pretty grim, with roads having potholes and rough pavement. They could use some help.

Plus the bill had a vetoproof majority.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Curious then how the Democrats involvement in this wasn't mentioned at all in your OP. In fact, the top 3 states receiving funding are blue states!

Roadways truly help everyone, rich or poor, across the country. Road conditions in my area are pretty grim, with roads having potholes and rough pavement. They could use some help.
Since you are such an expert on the OP Zendari, how about these:

"I am not against highway infrastructure"

"the way this guy is marketing government spending" <--the core argument in this thread.

You didn't ansewr my question:
"how bout trying to justifying highway spending jobs and not justifying public healthcare spending jobs."
 
Of course a huge barrel of pork like this is going to be approved with overwhelming support, it's how politicians get re-elected silly rabbits. I hate to sound like a pessimist, but almost all politicians are corrupt, some to a greater degree than others. The system as is doesn't help any help to prevent this, but encourages it.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Roadways truly help everyone, rich or poor, across the country.

And healthcare does not?

Road conditions in my area are pretty grim, with roads having potholes and rough pavement. They could use some help.

(Playing devil's advocate here.) Why should my tax dollars go to fix your crappy roads in New Jersey? That's not in the constitution.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: zendari
This bill had broad bipartisan support as well.

Text

The 91-4 vote in the Senate came hours after the House approved the measure, 412-8.
Says the guy who gets mad when others point out democrat flaws similar in the Republican party.

They both suck, we all know.

Zendari, how bout trying to justifying highway spending jobs and not justifying public healthcare spending jobs.

Curious then how the Democrats involvement in this wasn't mentioned at all in your OP. In fact, the top 3 states receiving funding are blue states!

Roadways truly help everyone, rich or poor, across the country. Road conditions in my area are pretty grim, with roads having potholes and rough pavement. They could use some help.

Plus the bill had a vetoproof majority.


What percent do those 3 states pay in in taxes compared to the rest of the country? Since I don't know the states, I need a list of those 3 to make that determination. Many of those "blue" states receive less than one dollar for every dollar collected from them in US taxes. Can't say the same for many of the "red" states (since you made this a blue state/red state issue).
 
Zendari, see what happens when you ALWAYS take the party line?...:laugh:

Contradicting ideologies...DOH!
 
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: zendari
Roadways truly help everyone, rich or poor, across the country.

And healthcare does not?

Road conditions in my area are pretty grim, with roads having potholes and rough pavement. They could use some help.

(Playing devil's advocate here.) Why should my tax dollars go to fix your crappy roads in New Jersey? That's not in the constitution.

Since they are one of the states that gets much less back than they collect in tax revenues, why do you think that they should fix your crappy roads in Illinois? 😛
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: zendari
Roadways truly help everyone, rich or poor, across the country.

And healthcare does not?

Road conditions in my area are pretty grim, with roads having potholes and rough pavement. They could use some help.

(Playing devil's advocate here.) Why should my tax dollars go to fix your crappy roads in New Jersey? That's not in the constitution.

Since they are one of the states that gets much less back than they collect in tax revenues, why do you think that they should fix your crappy roads in Illinois? 😛

Illinois also pays more than it gets back...and our roads are excellent, thank you. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: zendari
This bill had broad bipartisan support as well.

Text

The 91-4 vote in the Senate came hours after the House approved the measure, 412-8.

Highway Bills are just another form of massive pork. The Democrats weren't against when they were in power, so why would it suddenly change now?

Oh, and can we return Alaska?
 
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: zendari
Roadways truly help everyone, rich or poor, across the country.

And healthcare does not?

Road conditions in my area are pretty grim, with roads having potholes and rough pavement. They could use some help.

(Playing devil's advocate here.) Why should my tax dollars go to fix your crappy roads in New Jersey? That's not in the constitution.

Since they are one of the states that gets much less back than they collect in tax revenues, why do you think that they should fix your crappy roads in Illinois? 😛

Illinois also pays more than it gets back...and our roads are excellent, thank you. 🙂


LOL...just poking fun at you as NJ gets less back per taxdollar collected than any other state (as do most "blue" states). I went to Chicago last year and thought that the roads weren't bad. Not nearly as bad as Detroit - Worst roads in the country, IMO.
 
Doesn't road condition depend on maintenance but also loadings?
ie. Heavy traffic 18-wheeler regions more prone to wear. (Could explain Michigan)
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: zendari
Roadways truly help everyone, rich or poor, across the country.

And healthcare does not?

Road conditions in my area are pretty grim, with roads having potholes and rough pavement. They could use some help.

(Playing devil's advocate here.) Why should my tax dollars go to fix your crappy roads in New Jersey? That's not in the constitution.

Since they are one of the states that gets much less back than they collect in tax revenues, why do you think that they should fix your crappy roads in Illinois? 😛

Illinois also pays more than it gets back...and our roads are excellent, thank you. 🙂


LOL...just poking fun at you as NJ gets less back per taxdollar collected than any other state (as do most "blue" states). I went to Chicago last year and thought that the roads weren't bad. Not nearly as bad as Detroit - Worst roads in the country, IMO.

There's the joke in Chicago that there are two seasons: Winter and construction. The roads are always being fixed here so they're pretty decent for the most part.

Detroit is one of the most corrupt places in the world...I wouldn't doubt their highway money is spent on strippers for the mayor or something equally inappropriate.
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Zebo
Let's be perfectly straight up about George W. Bush's politics. On areas that don't appear to directly touch his religion, he is a moderate, and on some subjects (immigration, domestic spending) effectively governs to the left of Clinton.
Or he straight up is appealing to his voter base and supporters but like no other president before him.

Tax cuts disproportionately directed at the rich.
Government Pork for Gov't friendly companies.
Tax cuts and corporate welfare for Gov't friendly companies.
Immigration for his extremely high Hispanic turnout.

Take from the middle and upper middle and give to the rich..Robin Hood in reverse huh? I wonder if any roads will actually get built just like any reconstruction in Iraq is never really happening. (google custer - battles construction)
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Doesn't road condition depend on maintenance but also loadings?
ie. Heavy traffic 18-wheeler regions more prone to wear. (Could explain Michigan)


Detroit has a huge amount of 28 wheelers (yes, 28 wheels). The trucks weigh so much that they need more than 18 wheels just to function. The Detroit roads simply suck. (also very trashy)
 
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: zendari
Roadways truly help everyone, rich or poor, across the country.

And healthcare does not?

Road conditions in my area are pretty grim, with roads having potholes and rough pavement. They could use some help.

(Playing devil's advocate here.) Why should my tax dollars go to fix your crappy roads in New Jersey? That's not in the constitution.

Privatized healthcare is a viable option and has been for years. Privatized roadways is not.

People typically travel across state borders once in a while? So in the end everyone benefits from roads?
 
Back
Top