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Bush: Rumsfeld doing [a heckuva] job.

theeedude

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http://today.reuters.com/news/articlene...l&WTmodLoc=PolNewsHome_C1_%5BFeed%5D-6
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2006/11/01/ap/headlines/d8l4g6501.txt
Democrats and Republicans alike have called for Rumsfeld's resignation, arguing he has mishandled the war in Iraq where more than 2,800 members of the U.S. military have died since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003. Cheney has faced sharp criticism for his hardline views and is viewed favorably by only about a third of Americans in polls. Bush said that "both those men are doing fantastic jobs and I strongly support them."

Good to see Bush's talking about Iraq and his support for Rumsfeld. What do GOP candidates feel about it? I haven't seen them distance themselves from Bush's recent comments.
 

theeedude

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Boner says it's not Rumsfeld's problem, it's all the generals on the ground fault. This guy is a GOP leader too.
 

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Dub said in that interview with hannity, that he reads alot of history. 3 books just on our 1st prez. He figures since they still analyse the decisions G.W. made, that it'll take a long time to understand the huge decisions ol' 43 made. Perhaps he thinks they will put him on Rushmore? :laugh:

Perhaps keeping Rummy on, is one of those decisions he believes will have historians finding him the wisest of the wise?
 

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^^^ Keeping Rumsfeld in is his way of saving face. Removing him from his position is admitting that he made a mistake by appointing him in the first place. It seems to me that Bush attempts to maintain a fascade of the POTUS is infallible.


Originally posted by: palehorse74
We need a retired General put in as SECDEF, and we need it to happen yesterday.

QFFT.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Wapp
^^^ Keeping Rumsfeld in is his way of saving face. Removing him from his position is admitting that he made a mistake by appointing him in the first place. It seems to me that Bush attempts to maintain a fascade of the POTUS is infallible.

Couldn't he just do a "We were never stay the course" and say, "I wasn't the one who appointed Donald Rumsfeld." Or "It's time to move on, to progress beyond Rumsfeld. We can't stay the course forever, it's time to adapt to win, just like always."
 

Puffnstuff

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Maybe W can get Uncle Rummy to stand over in the corner next to Brownie for some photo's.
 

Craig234

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I don't want a retired general as Secretary of Defense. I want a civilian there.

The Pentagon, the largest beuracracy in the world, is already a cesspool of politics and corruption, and the last thing we need to do is to let it oversee itself. Not that Rumsfeld is doing what's needed as a civilian, but we should keep civilians there.
 

Thump553

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Bush went on to say that he wants both of them to serve out the remainder of Bush's term.

To me this is far more important news, with a potentially much greater impact on the election, than Kerry's miscue yesterday-by a long shot.
 

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Speaking of Rumsfield...
Military families group seeks Rumsfeld meeting
By Karen Jowers
Staff writer

A national organization of about 3,000 people with family members or loved ones in the military has asked for a meeting with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to speak their minds about the war in Iraq.

Representatives of the group Military Families Speak Out will deliver a petition to Rumsfeld and Congress calling for an end to the ?backdoor draft? and for all troops to be brought home now.

Examples of this ?backdoor draft,? they say, are troop extensions, stop-loss orders, involuntary recalls and multiple deployments to Iraq.

?As Secretary of Defense, it is not only your job but your moral duty to hear what they have to say and to answer questions that they have,? wrote Nancy Lessin and Charley Richardson, co-founders of Military Families Speak Out, in the Oct. 30 letter to Rumsfeld in which they ask for a Nov. 9 meeting.

The group says it will exhibit flags and photographs on the National Mall in Washington on Veterans Day in honor of the American troops and Iraqi men, women and children who have died in the war.

The group has been vocal in its opposition to the war, testifying before Congress, and holding a vigil on Capitol Hill to make its views known to lawmakers and others and marching from Walter Reed Army Medical Center to the White House.

Among those expected to come to Washington are some family members of troops in the 172nd Stryker Brigade and the 1st Brigade, 1st Armored Division; the Marine Corps Individual Ready Reserve at risk for recall; those serving multiple deployments; National Guard families; and others.

Along with the letter to Rumsfeld, some family members have sent statements, including Rich Moniak of Juneau, Alaska, whose son Michael is in the 172nd. Members of that brigade were told in late July that their combat tours were being extended in Iraq, just days before they were due to return home.

?They are still in Baghdad, and we at home cannot trust the Pentagon to bring them home at the end of this extension,? Moniak said. ?Instead, we face each and every day fearing that unwanted knock on the door or a late night phone call. The redeployment is a symptom of the larger failures of this war and occupation.?
 

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
uhg.. Bush needs to get as far away from Wormtongue..errr, i mean Rumsfeld, as fast as humanly possible. We need a retired General put in as SECDEF, and we need it to happen yesterday.

Wouldn't that create unnecessary bias competition between the departments?
Say, a retired "army" general comes in and decides to cut funding for the "airforce" by 10% and choses to increase funding for the "army" by the same amount?

"army" can be interchanged with any department.
"airforce" can be interchanged with any department provided it's not the same as the one above.

The last thing we need is a retired army general coming in and saying "cut F-22 Raptor orders by 100, bring back the Crusader".
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: palehorse74
uhg.. Bush needs to get as far away from Wormtongue..errr, i mean Rumsfeld, as fast as humanly possible. We need a retired General put in as SECDEF, and we need it to happen yesterday.

Wouldn't that create unnecessary bias competition between the departments?
Say, a retired "army" general comes in and decides to cut funding for the "airforce" by 10% and choses to increase funding for the "army" by the same amount?

"army" can be interchanged with any department.
"airforce" can be interchanged with any department provided it's not the same as the one above.

The last thing we need is a retired army general coming in and saying "cut F-22 Raptor orders by 100, bring back the Crusader".
If we find the right one, that wont be as much of an issue as you might think. Alot of our Generals still maintain a sense of integrity that is missing throughout the rest of our government.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: palehorse74
uhg.. Bush needs to get as far away from Wormtongue..errr, i mean Rumsfeld, as fast as humanly possible. We need a retired General put in as SECDEF, and we need it to happen yesterday.

Wouldn't that create unnecessary bias competition between the departments?
Say, a retired "army" general comes in and decides to cut funding for the "airforce" by 10% and choses to increase funding for the "army" by the same amount?

"army" can be interchanged with any department.
"airforce" can be interchanged with any department provided it's not the same as the one above.

The last thing we need is a retired army general coming in and saying "cut F-22 Raptor orders by 100, bring back the Crusader".
If we find the right one, that wont be as much of an issue as you might think. Alot of our Generals still maintain a sense of integrity that is missing throughout the rest of our government.

Indeed. Of course military folks aren't perfect any more than anyone else, but they have two things going for them in terms of being SECDEF. One, they know what they are talking about or who to talk to to find out. I'm actually frequently impressed with the military's intelligent analysis of the realities of a situation and their push to work within the framework of actual reality. Such an approach would be a great change from the current approach to the job. And secondly, as palehorse suggested, military folks DO seem to understand the concept of duty and service and integrity a lot better than some appointed civilian. Again, they aren't perfect, but at least they have spent a lot of time serving their country and probably have a better idea of what that means than some yahoo civilian who may or may not have ever shot off anything bigger than his mouth.
 

theeedude

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: palehorse74
uhg.. Bush needs to get as far away from Wormtongue..errr, i mean Rumsfeld, as fast as humanly possible. We need a retired General put in as SECDEF, and we need it to happen yesterday.

Wouldn't that create unnecessary bias competition between the departments?
Say, a retired "army" general comes in and decides to cut funding for the "airforce" by 10% and choses to increase funding for the "army" by the same amount?

"army" can be interchanged with any department.
"airforce" can be interchanged with any department provided it's not the same as the one above.

The last thing we need is a retired army general coming in and saying "cut F-22 Raptor orders by 100, bring back the Crusader".
If we find the right one, that wont be as much of an issue as you might think. Alot of our Generals still maintain a sense of integrity that is missing throughout the rest of our government.

They can't seem to wait to criticize this administration as soon as they retire.
 

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Originally posted by: Wapp
^^^ Keeping Rumsfeld in is his way of saving face. Removing him from his position is admitting that he made a mistake by appointing him in the first place. It seems to me that Bush attempts to maintain a fascade of the POTUS is infallible.


Has to be ready for the coup to turn the US into a monarchy. Monarchs are always right ( in this case, far right!).:frown::thumbsdown::disgust:
 

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Originally posted by: senseamp
They can't seem to wait to criticize this administration as soon as they retire.
Possibly because they are unhappy about this administration getting 3,000+ soldiers killed and tens of thousands disabled.

They aren't allowed to publically speak of the failures of this administration while in service, after retirement they're finally free to to do so.
 

Lemon law

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Bush is just trying to tough it out pre-election---even if the Repubs lose just one wing of congress---Rummy will be gone so fast it will make everyone's head spin.

If nothing else, the baker report will name Rumsfeld---and anoint him with piss poor holy water.---thereafter GWB will award him with the freedom medal and send him off into some undisclosed location.
 

theeedude

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He specifically said Rumsfeld to stay the remainder of his term
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush said on Wednesday he expected Donald Rumsfeld to stay on as defense secretary for the rest of his presidency, rejecting election-year demands the Pentagon chief resign over Iraq.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: palehorse74
uhg.. Bush needs to get as far away from Wormtongue..errr, i mean Rumsfeld, as fast as humanly possible. We need a retired General put in as SECDEF, and we need it to happen yesterday.

Wouldn't that create unnecessary bias competition between the departments?
Say, a retired "army" general comes in and decides to cut funding for the "airforce" by 10% and choses to increase funding for the "army" by the same amount?

"army" can be interchanged with any department.
"airforce" can be interchanged with any department provided it's not the same as the one above.

The last thing we need is a retired army general coming in and saying "cut F-22 Raptor orders by 100, bring back the Crusader".
If we find the right one, that wont be as much of an issue as you might think. Alot of our Generals still maintain a sense of integrity that is missing throughout the rest of our government.

They can't seem to wait to criticize this administration as soon as they retire.
maybe that's not a bad thing! In fact, a little criticism is what is needed to make up for Rumsfeld's mistakes!
 

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: palehorse74
uhg.. Bush needs to get as far away from Wormtongue..errr, i mean Rumsfeld, as fast as humanly possible. We need a retired General put in as SECDEF, and we need it to happen yesterday.

Wouldn't that create unnecessary bias competition between the departments?
Say, a retired "army" general comes in and decides to cut funding for the "airforce" by 10% and choses to increase funding for the "army" by the same amount?

"army" can be interchanged with any department.
"airforce" can be interchanged with any department provided it's not the same as the one above.

The last thing we need is a retired army general coming in and saying "cut F-22 Raptor orders by 100, bring back the Crusader".
If we find the right one, that wont be as much of an issue as you might think. Alot of our Generals still maintain a sense of integrity that is missing throughout the rest of our government.

They can't seem to wait to criticize this administration as soon as they retire.
maybe that's not a bad thing! In fact, a little criticism is what is needed to make up for Rumsfeld's mistakes!

Would you settle for Wesley Clark?
 

Pens1566

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Powell would have been perfect for the job. Good luck on that now though.
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Boner says it's not Rumsfeld's problem, it's all the generals on the ground fault. This guy is a GOP leader too.

Looks to me like the Republicans are having leadership issues. I honestly can't believe this guy decided to shift the blame off the obviously unpopular and incompetent Rumsfield on to the people who are doing the dirty work in Iraq. Anything to keep the blame away from the White House, I guess :roll:
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: KGBMAN
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: palehorse74
uhg.. Bush needs to get as far away from Wormtongue..errr, i mean Rumsfeld, as fast as humanly possible. We need a retired General put in as SECDEF, and we need it to happen yesterday.

Wouldn't that create unnecessary bias competition between the departments?
Say, a retired "army" general comes in and decides to cut funding for the "airforce" by 10% and choses to increase funding for the "army" by the same amount?

"army" can be interchanged with any department.
"airforce" can be interchanged with any department provided it's not the same as the one above.

The last thing we need is a retired army general coming in and saying "cut F-22 Raptor orders by 100, bring back the Crusader".
If we find the right one, that wont be as much of an issue as you might think. Alot of our Generals still maintain a sense of integrity that is missing throughout the rest of our government.

They can't seem to wait to criticize this administration as soon as they retire.
maybe that's not a bad thing! In fact, a little criticism is what is needed to make up for Rumsfeld's mistakes!

Would you settle for Wesley Clark?

I would, I think he'd make a very good SECDEF...hell, I thought he'd have made a good President. I find military folks in politics to have a far more reasonable and reality-based approach to problems than most other politicians, let alone the Bush administration.