Bush plans to conquer the entire Middle East?

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: EXman

He expelled the weapons inspectors from the UN - let the UN handle it.

getting that many countries to decide something like war against a almost nuclear Iraq is a Joke. come on now we cannot be an Isolationist state anymore. We are the worlds economy and it's policemen. Not the UN weenies. the UN is a JOKE. Saddam knows that untill he pulls another Kuwait or worse he has free reign to stockpile any sort of weapons his Oil buys period. If we sit on our hands and let a mad man Neo-Hitler go nuclear it is not the UN's problem, but it is their fault and ours for being foolish enough to think the UN has any real power over Iraq. Saddam can only be delt with in one way and that is by a show of force, that is the only way he'll get our drift.

Do you think Saddam is foolish enough to use nuclear or biological weapons? The instant he does, no matter how horrific, he's instantly gone. Anything he could have hoped to achieve would be wiped out.

He may be a dictator and an unimaginably cruel man, but he's not stupid.

 

[EXman]

Do you think Saddam is foolish enough to use nuclear or biological weapons?

Hello? He already used Biological weapons! Just ask the Kurds. He might not be stupid but sound like it saying that he wouldn't do it when he already has...

NEXT

Jooh I am excited that you would reply to my post. I stated my Opinions and for what its worth on a lil piece of the internet that's all it is, an opinion. Just like you have yours and Joe Blow has his. If you do not see the similarities between the Nazi build up in the 30's and Iraq then o-well. I really don't care.

What about the $25K to all the terrorist martyer's familes? i noticed you chose not to say anything about that.

What I have seen in the press about the UN's position is the same form of appeasement that Neville Chamberlin's was pre WWII. It did not work then and Germany launched its Blitzkrieg in to Poland and much of Europe shortly there after.

So what do you think if Gas goes to $2-$3 a gallon cause Iraq flexes it's power of Oil and its many other Arab friends rich in Oil cut the US off. IMO Desert storm was more about what you paid at the gas pump and not that lil ole Kuwait was invaded. Just look at the Old Yugoslavia no Oil there and we let Milosovich (no Idea how to spell his name) commit genocide that was also on par with Hitlers hatred of the Jews. We could have done more yes, but their war did not affect the everyday life of the average American Joe's paying $50 for a fill-up for his brand new SUV gas guzzler.

Above stated is my opinion. If you think you can change it, go ahead and try. but just like most any arguement on the internet changing some one opinion or perspective is not a very easy thing to do. Trying to change my mind is foolhardy at best

 

[Orsorum]

Hello? He already used Biological weapons! Just ask the Kurds. He might not be stupid but sound like it saying that he wouldn't do it when he already has...

I realize he chose to do that - that was despicable, and a horrible thing to do - however, it's the UN's job to enforce those laws.

I was referring to any sort of international usage, the threat to our national safety that Bush is so fond of spouting off on.

 

[EXman]

Zakath15

I just do not see where you are going with this other than you do not like Bush's take on a madman in the middle east that has already used chemical/biological on his own soil. He would be more crazy if he let off a Nuke on his own soil. I think he'd rather see Isreal with a musroom cloud above it (even though it would directly affect the whole region and not just the Jews.) Do I think he use them there... probably not. As he would fall out of favor with his Arab brother's that he just gave a nuclear fallout bath. But Saddam would love to place one at the doorstep of the Whitehouse by means of terrorists.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Hello? He already used Biological weapons! Just ask the Kurds. He might not be stupid but sound like it saying that he wouldn't do it when he already has...

I realize he chose to do that - that was despicable, and a horrible thing to do - however, it's the UN's job to enforce those laws.

I was referring to any sort of international usage, the threat to our national safety that Bush is so fond of spouting off on.

The UN has no enforcement powers for proliferation of WMD's. They are prohibted yes, but only Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and subsequent signature on the treaty of surrender gave the UN mandate to eliminate his WMD's. What you fail to realize is that the use of WMD's is an end game scenario, something that could lead very rapidly to world-wide oblivion. Given Iraq's support of Islamic terrorists and his launching of scuds at Israel during the gulf war it is NOT unreasonable to assume that in a fit of madness he would launch a WMD at Israel (not unlike the fit of madness that resulted in him dropping nerve gas on the Kurds). Give the use of WMD's against Israel the middle east would become a shiny sheet of glass as Israel then began tossing it's over 200 nukes around. Such a bombardment is very likely to result in the intervention of other nuclear powers and could escalate very quickly into a full blown launch by both the US and Russia. End game, humanity would take it's toys and go into the night of the nuclear winter that would follow.

It is a direct and pressent threat to the US for nations of questional stability and control or terrorist organizations to possess WMD's. It is in our utmost security interest to prevent at any cost unstable entities from obtaining the ability to use WMD's. The atomic bomb was developed in 1945, in that time the US, Russia, UK, France, China, India, Pakistan, South Africa, and Israel have aquired the atomic weapon (two have never tested or admited to having them). For over 50 years we prevented proliferation by preventing enrichment technology exchange and control over weapons grade material. Since the dissolving of the Soviet Union the worldwide control over that technology and material has begun to fade and a more pro-active approach must be taken to prevent the spread and use of WMD's by rouge states and terrorist organizations.

 

[Orsorum]

Since the dissolving of the Soviet Union the worldwide control over that technology and material has begun to fade and a more pro-active approach must be taken to prevent the spread and use of WMD's by rouge states and terrorist organizations.

What does your proactive approach entail?

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Since the dissolving of the Soviet Union the worldwide control over that technology and material has begun to fade and a more pro-active approach must be taken to prevent the spread and use of WMD's by rouge states and terrorist organizations.

What does your proactive approach entail?

Lol, I don't have an approach. I will defer to those who are more experienced in national security issues and point you towards our presidents most recent memorandum on a change in foriegn policy in regards to WMD's and their proliferation.

 

[fluxquantum]

holy crap. another thread on iraq. doh!