Bush offers $770M for international food aid.

[Sinsear]

I cannot believe the lack of concern for the children in this thread. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Sinsear
I cannot believe the lack of concern for the children in this thread. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

It has nothing to do with a lack of concern for children.

The constitution does not give the federal government the authority to spend our money in this manner. It does however give you the freedom to give your money to a charity that sends food and money to those in need, here, and overseas.

Stealing from the rich to give to the poor is still stealing.

And charity through taxes is not charity. Charity is something given willfully. Taxes are not collected willfully.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: palehorse74
[so you'd send more... swell. I find it more and more disturbing every day that people like you and I somehow support the same candidate for President... it boggles my mind.

At this point in time, we shouldn't be sending a single f'n penny for food to anyone -- especially outside of the U.S.

It's a matter of priorities, and this aint one of them...

What do you have against feeding the poor? 😕

Are you saying that there are better things we could be doing for them than handouts, which I can totally agree with.. teach a man to fish and all that.. Your tone seems to indicate that you have no desire to help anyone.. ever.

must be lonely at the top 🙁

It's all about timing, and this ain't the time for the U.S. to be doling out hundreds of millions to random countries around the world.

I understand the urge and need to help people, I really do - I spend a large deal of my personal time doing just that - but, it is completely irresponsible for any government to hand out money, like candy, when they are trillions of dollars in debt and at war.

Like I said above, it's a matter of priorities, and this shouldn't be one of ours right now.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Sinsear
I cannot believe the lack of concern for the children in this thread. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

It has nothing to do with a lack of concern for children.

The constitution does not give the federal government the authority to spend our money in this manner. It does however give you the freedom to give your money to a charity that sends food and money to those in need, here, and overseas.

Stealing from the rich to give to the poor is still stealing.

And charity through taxes is not charity. Charity is something given willfully. Taxes are not collected willfully.

Dude; I was kidding. Sarcasm. Um, yeah, 770m to feed other people? Fuck That.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Sinsear
I cannot believe the lack of concern for the children in this thread. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

It has nothing to do with a lack of concern for children.

The constitution does not give the federal government the authority to spend our money in this manner. It does however give you the freedom to give your money to a charity that sends food and money to those in need, here, and overseas.

Stealing from the rich to give to the poor is still stealing.

And charity through taxes is not charity. Charity is something given willfully. Taxes are not collected willfully.

I guess I just look at it differently. I don't have any extra money lying around to give to charity. I'm already paying taxes, so I do not mind if some of that money gets spent feeding dying, brown people on the other side of the world.

It sure as hell beats knowing that my taxes are going towards blowing up brown people on the other side of the world. v🙂v

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Sinsear
I cannot believe the lack of concern for the children in this thread. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

It has nothing to do with a lack of concern for children.

The constitution does not give the federal government the authority to spend our money in this manner. It does however give you the freedom to give your money to a charity that sends food and money to those in need, here, and overseas.

Stealing from the rich to give to the poor is still stealing.

And charity through taxes is not charity. Charity is something given willfully. Taxes are not collected willfully.

I guess I just look at it differently. I don't have any extra money lying around to give to charity. I'm already paying taxes, so I do not mind if some of that money gets spent feeding dying, brown people on the other side of the world.

It sure as hell beats knowing that my taxes are going towards blowing up brown people on the other side of the world. v🙂v

Well, if we elected better people into office that didn't plan to use our money blowing up brown people around the world, maybe there wouldn't be such high taxes. And then you'd have a little more money in your pocket, which you could send to help feed and clothe brown people around the world.

So, vote, and think of the children. 😉

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: palehorse74
[so you'd send more... swell. I find it more and more disturbing every day that people like you and I somehow support the same candidate for President... it boggles my mind.

At this point in time, we shouldn't be sending a single f'n penny for food to anyone -- especially outside of the U.S.

It's a matter of priorities, and this aint one of them...

What do you have against feeding the poor? 😕

Are you saying that there are better things we could be doing for them than handouts, which I can totally agree with.. teach a man to fish and all that.. Your tone seems to indicate that you have no desire to help anyone.. ever.

must be lonely at the top 🙁

Agreed. I was always taught to help those less fortunate than myself. Most world religions have some tenets that address charity specifically.

When it comes to charity, I could care less about borders. A human is a human, here or halfway across the world.

I just have a big issue with spending $400+ million per day to conduct a war, and less than $800 million total to feed those hit by this hunger crisis.

They're literally eating mud in the Carribean, for God sakes. Buy one less cruise missile and help a city full of people afford some basic staples.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: palehorse74
[so you'd send more... swell. I find it more and more disturbing every day that people like you and I somehow support the same candidate for President... it boggles my mind.

At this point in time, we shouldn't be sending a single f'n penny for food to anyone -- especially outside of the U.S.

It's a matter of priorities, and this aint one of them...

What do you have against feeding the poor? 😕

Are you saying that there are better things we could be doing for them than handouts, which I can totally agree with.. teach a man to fish and all that.. Your tone seems to indicate that you have no desire to help anyone.. ever.

must be lonely at the top 🙁

Agreed. I was always taught to help those less fortunate than myself. Most world religions have some tenets that address charity specifically.

When it comes to charity, I could care less about borders. A human is a human, here or halfway across the world.

I just have a big issue with spending $400+ million per day to conduct a war, and less than $800 million total to feed those hit by this hunger crisis.

They're literally eating mud in the Carribean, for God sakes. Buy one less cruise missile and help a city full of people afford some basic staples.

Wow. Something we can agree on :thumbsup:

 

[m1ldslide1]

$770M sounds great, until you realize that it only provides food to those involved in abstinence-only education. 😉

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Sinsear
I cannot believe the lack of concern for the children in this thread. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

It has nothing to do with a lack of concern for children.

The constitution does not give the federal government the authority to spend our money in this manner. It does however give you the freedom to give your money to a charity that sends food and money to those in need, here, and overseas.

Stealing from the rich to give to the poor is still stealing.

And charity through taxes is not charity. Charity is something given willfully. Taxes are not collected willfully.

I guess I just look at it differently. I don't have any extra money lying around to give to charity. I'm already paying taxes, so I do not mind if some of that money gets spent feeding dying, brown people on the other side of the world.

It sure as hell beats knowing that my taxes are going towards blowing up brown people on the other side of the world. v🙂v

Well, if we elected better people into office that didn't plan to use our money blowing up brown people around the world, maybe there wouldn't be such high taxes. And then you'd have a little more money in your pocket, which you could send to help feed and clothe brown people around the world.

So, vote, and think of the children. 😉

You're gonna miss the $4? Give me a break. This is going to save a LOT of lives, and you're stuck in this political black and white zone where ideology is worth more than human life.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I'm all for aiding other nations, but, really, can't we get our own shit in order first? We're overspending left and right and ADDING more spending isn't going to help anything. Ugh.

Do you really think $770 mil can have nearly the impact in America as it does for people dying of starvation for want of a few cents to buy a bowl of rice?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Sinsear
I cannot believe the lack of concern for the children in this thread. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

It has nothing to do with a lack of concern for children.

The constitution does not give the federal government the authority to spend our money in this manner. It does however give you the freedom to give your money to a charity that sends food and money to those in need, here, and overseas.

Stealing from the rich to give to the poor is still stealing.

And charity through taxes is not charity. Charity is something given willfully. Taxes are not collected willfully.

I guess I just look at it differently. I don't have any extra money lying around to give to charity. I'm already paying taxes, so I do not mind if some of that money gets spent feeding dying, brown people on the other side of the world.

It sure as hell beats knowing that my taxes are going towards blowing up brown people on the other side of the world. v🙂v

Well, if we elected better people into office that didn't plan to use our money blowing up brown people around the world, maybe there wouldn't be such high taxes. And then you'd have a little more money in your pocket, which you could send to help feed and clothe brown people around the world.

So, vote, and think of the children. 😉

You're gonna miss the $4? Give me a break. This is going to save a LOT of lives, and you're stuck in this political black and white zone where ideology is worth more than human life.

Give me liberty or give me death.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: palehorse74
[so you'd send more... swell. I find it more and more disturbing every day that people like you and I somehow support the same candidate for President... it boggles my mind.

At this point in time, we shouldn't be sending a single f'n penny for food to anyone -- especially outside of the U.S.

It's a matter of priorities, and this aint one of them...

What do you have against feeding the poor? 😕

Are you saying that there are better things we could be doing for them than handouts, which I can totally agree with.. teach a man to fish and all that.. Your tone seems to indicate that you have no desire to help anyone.. ever.

must be lonely at the top 🙁

They know how to fish. But in many parts of the world farmers have been put out of business by the subsidies WE GIVE OUR FARMERS.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Sinsear
I cannot believe the lack of concern for the children in this thread. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

It has nothing to do with a lack of concern for children.

The constitution does not give the federal government the authority to spend our money in this manner. It does however give you the freedom to give your money to a charity that sends food and money to those in need, here, and overseas.

Stealing from the rich to give to the poor is still stealing.

And charity through taxes is not charity. Charity is something given willfully. Taxes are not collected willfully.

I guess I just look at it differently. I don't have any extra money lying around to give to charity. I'm already paying taxes, so I do not mind if some of that money gets spent feeding dying, brown people on the other side of the world.

It sure as hell beats knowing that my taxes are going towards blowing up brown people on the other side of the world. v🙂v

Well, if we elected better people into office that didn't plan to use our money blowing up brown people around the world, maybe there wouldn't be such high taxes. And then you'd have a little more money in your pocket, which you could send to help feed and clothe brown people around the world.

So, vote, and think of the children. 😉

You're gonna miss the $4? Give me a break. This is going to save a LOT of lives, and you're stuck in this political black and white zone where ideology is worth more than human life.

Give me liberty or give me death.

If you feel so unfree because a small portion of your taxes are being spent by an ELECTED government to save millions of lives whose situation is in large part caused by our economic policies (ethanol, farm subsidies), why don't you go ahead and take death then?

You must have forgotten that maxim when you voted for Ron Paul, the one presidential candidate directly opposed to separation of church and state.

Like a lot of extremists, your worldview dictates that anything that does not align with your libertarian ideals is anti-liberty and "unconstitutional"

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Sinsear
I cannot believe the lack of concern for the children in this thread. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

It has nothing to do with a lack of concern for children.

The constitution does not give the federal government the authority to spend our money in this manner. It does however give you the freedom to give your money to a charity that sends food and money to those in need, here, and overseas.

Stealing from the rich to give to the poor is still stealing.

And charity through taxes is not charity. Charity is something given willfully. Taxes are not collected willfully.

I guess I just look at it differently. I don't have any extra money lying around to give to charity. I'm already paying taxes, so I do not mind if some of that money gets spent feeding dying, brown people on the other side of the world.

It sure as hell beats knowing that my taxes are going towards blowing up brown people on the other side of the world. v🙂v

Well, if we elected better people into office that didn't plan to use our money blowing up brown people around the world, maybe there wouldn't be such high taxes. And then you'd have a little more money in your pocket, which you could send to help feed and clothe brown people around the world.

So, vote, and think of the children. 😉

You're gonna miss the $4? Give me a break. This is going to save a LOT of lives, and you're stuck in this political black and white zone where ideology is worth more than human life.

Give me liberty or give me death.

If you feel so unfree because a small portion of your taxes are being spent by an ELECTED government to save millions of lives whose situation is in large part caused by our economic policies (ethanol, farm subsidies), why don't you go ahead and take death then?

You must have forgotten that maxim when you voted for Ron Paul, the one presidential candidate directly opposed to separation of church and state.

Like a lot of extremists, your worldview dictates that anything that does not align with your libertarian ideals is anti-liberty and "unconstitutional"

I'm all for helping out where we can, but right now I feel that government spending is so out of whack that we need to take care of ourselves for a bit here. Let's stop wasting money in Iraq, stop funneling money into collapsed lending houses, and stop handing everyone a $600 dollar check before we commit to spending nearly a billion dollars outside of our own borders.

 

[ericlp]

I wonder how much of that 770M was spent on condoms?


Shit, if we spent a fraction of that to prevent kids from having kids we wouldn't need to spend more! Sad situation. But Jesus doesn't believe in condoms!!!

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: palehorse74
[so you'd send more... swell. I find it more and more disturbing every day that people like you and I somehow support the same candidate for President... it boggles my mind.

At this point in time, we shouldn't be sending a single f'n penny for food to anyone -- especially outside of the U.S.

It's a matter of priorities, and this aint one of them...

What do you have against feeding the poor? 😕

Are you saying that there are better things we could be doing for them than handouts, which I can totally agree with.. teach a man to fish and all that.. Your tone seems to indicate that you have no desire to help anyone.. ever.

must be lonely at the top 🙁

Agreed. I was always taught to help those less fortunate than myself. Most world religions have some tenets that address charity specifically.

When it comes to charity, I could care less about borders. A human is a human, here or halfway across the world.

I just have a big issue with spending $400+ million per day to conduct a war, and less than $800 million total to feed those hit by this hunger crisis.

They're literally eating mud in the Carribean, for God sakes. Buy one less cruise missile and help a city full of people afford some basic staples.

Man I am really happy with your words of wisdom. I was beginning to think I was alone here. Come on guys a little charity and compasion .

We have had 17 straight years of good crops in the USA. Its a terriable thing to say but maybe 2 years of bad crops here might enlighten some of you guys.

I believe with my whole being . Bad crops and war are very near. So true to my beliefs I have preparred for the worse. I have stocked a great food shelf for my family in an underground shelter. Enough for 2 years food water diesel for the generators. Than and only than will I go with its every man for himself.

The thing I want to see tho is no money . Give them the food. Also we distribute the food not their corrupt governments.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Man I am really happy with your words of wisdom. I was beginning to think I was alone here. Come on guys a little charity and compasion .

We have had 17 straight years of good crops in the USA. Its a terriable thing to say but maybe 2 years of bad crops here might enlighten some of you guys.

I believe with my whole being . Bad crops and war are very near. So true to my beliefs I have preparred for the worse. I have stocked a great food shelf for my family in an underground shelter. Enough for 2 years food water diesel for the generators. Than and only than will I go with its every man for himself.

you're one card short of a full deck, aren't you? ya...

 

[orangat]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: palehorse74
[so you'd send more... swell. I find it more and more disturbing every day that people like you and I somehow support the same candidate for President... it boggles my mind.

At this point in time, we shouldn't be sending a single f'n penny for food to anyone -- especially outside of the U.S.

It's a matter of priorities, and this aint one of them...

What do you have against feeding the poor? 😕

Are you saying that there are better things we could be doing for them than handouts, which I can totally agree with.. teach a man to fish and all that.. Your tone seems to indicate that you have no desire to help anyone.. ever.

must be lonely at the top 🙁

They know how to fish. But in many parts of the world farmers have been put out of business by the subsidies WE GIVE OUR FARMERS.

Exactly.
What is worrying is that poor countries now have a structural deficit since they have become dependent on food imports after many of their farmers have lost their livelihoods and land.

Alot of food aid has become a crooked sham by rich countries and big corporations to furthur their interests while looking altruistic. Maren has alot to say about it in Road to Hell. More recently food aid has been tied to implementing neoliberal economic policies like free trade and even used as a bludgeon to crack open closed markets for the GMO lobby.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Could be 2 cards short really don't know(the 2 jokers). But if you have a full deck . I will stay with the deck I have in hand.