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I'm not part of the illuminati, I really don't have any inside info here... All I know is that there is a very high probability that New York will be attacked by the middle of September, this year. Martial Law is sure to follow soon after.
You don't have to believe me now, but we'll see who's laughing in a few months when all you pagans are forced to take the mark of the beast and give up your eternal souls for the promise of "peace and security".
Good luck, and G-d bless.
Wow you guys are going to keep me busy coming back and posting what tinfoil fools you are (or I'll be back to eat my words. Well, I probably won't, since it will be the end of the world etc.).
OK, so I got on outlook and added 3 reminders:
1) Within 35 days, as quoted by Nitty head, confirmed by the "respected Italian newspaper Il Giornale based in Milan" (even though they were wrong about Feb 2nd) and unimpeachable Debka, New York will be destroyed. March 9th: call Schizo Nitzcho a tinfoil asshat.
2) September 24th, allowing for the "middle of september" to fully pass, call religous fruitcake FM2K3 a tinfoil asshat.
3) Jan 1, 05. After elections have passed without martial law being declared, once again declare FM2k3 a tinfoil asshat.
Depending on the outcome of #3, we'll probably be in for 4 more years of "well I was slightly off with my predictions, but mark my words you've seen the last free elections ever!"
By the way, the air raid sirens are going on outside! (monthly test). spoooooky! Don't you Hal Lindsey types ever learn? He's been predicting the end times for about 30 years now
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Aww crap, I better show this to my boss so I can go home early today. I pretty sure my house would be out the blast radius/fallout zone....
OH wait, today is the 3rd! Wow, that was a close call! Back to work I guess. Guess I should have read more carefully before pulling the fire alarms and telling everyone to evacuate the building and flee for thier lives. My bad.
That would make me very very happy to be ridiculous forever and to never ever see a dictatorship in the USA.
But I think it is also very very naive to believe that there aren't powerful people in the USA who long for a dictatorship and one way or another have begun to try and make it happen.
JFK, RFK, both murdered.
Bush was not polite enough to let the victory to Gore who got the majority of the votes. No, his father had a few guys he had nominated a few years earlier elect his son. After having orchestrated a successful fraud in Florida with Jeb. The homestate of Gore was also electronically stolen from him, but I believe this info has been censored in the USA, like many others. How many US citizens know about the tens of thousands of african-american voters who were denied their right to vote in Florida?
And what about the fraud in 2002? And what about Paul Wellstone?
People who did not hesitate to kill JFK and RFK whould not hesitate before killing Wellstone.
So basically your country has already started to turn into a dictatorship 41 years ago and you better not be optimistic since you all let things deteriorating.
What will you do when there is not a single factory, not a single corporation, not a single decent job left? Move to India?
But I think it is also very very naive to believe that there aren't powerful people in the USA who long for a dictatorship and one way or another have begun to try and make it happen.
JFK, RFK, both murdered.
Bush was not polite enough to let the victory to Gore who got the majority of the votes. No, his father had a few guys he had nominated a few years earlier elect his son. After having orchestrated a successful fraud in Florida with Jeb. The homestate of Gore was also electronically stolen from him, but I believe this info has been censored in the USA, like many others. How many US citizens know about the tens of thousands of african-american voters who were denied their right to vote in Florida?
And what about the fraud in 2002? And what about Paul Wellstone?
People who did not hesitate to kill JFK and RFK whould not hesitate before killing Wellstone.
So basically your country has already started to turn into a dictatorship 41 years ago and you better not be optimistic since you all let things deteriorating.
What will you do when there is not a single factory, not a single corporation, not a single decent job left? Move to India?
<hysterical laughter>"Electronically stolen"??? Dude! Have you ever visited Tennessee?!? How in the heck are you gonna "electronically steal" a 2 foot x 2 foot wooden ballot box?</hysterical laughter>
Schizo Nitzcho;
Ignoring all your other tinfoil blather, I was able to glean that you do not live in the United States. I was looking for that answer in another thread. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you live in Germany. Great country for the tinfoil crowd Care to copy/paste on how the holocaust didn't happen? So basically your entire knowledge of the US has come off the internet (or perhaps you dropped in for some surveillance...errr exchange program). Further enhancing your troll credentials.
See you in 35 days! Your 0/1 so far.
Edit: Mystery solved! And it really shouldn't have been a mystery at all! Who other than a frenchman could be so fascinated with tinfoil conspiracies involving the US
Ignoring all your other tinfoil blather, I was able to glean that you do not live in the United States. I was looking for that answer in another thread. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you live in Germany. Great country for the tinfoil crowd
Care to copy/paste on how the holocaust didn't happen? So basically your entire knowledge of the US has come off the internet (or perhaps you dropped in for some surveillance...errr exchange program). Further enhancing your troll credentials.See you in 35 days! Your 0/1 so far.
Edit: Mystery solved! And it really shouldn't have been a mystery at all! Who other than a frenchman could be so fascinated with tinfoil conspiracies involving the US
kill the Rich. What else is there to do then.
Let Them Eat Cake.
plus you dont need a Job when you got Guns.
Originally posted by: alchemize
Schizo Nitzcho;
Ignoring all your other tinfoil blather, I was able to glean that you do not live in the United States. I was looking for that answer in another thread. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you live in Germany. Great country for the tinfoil crowd
See you in 35 days! Your 0/1 so far.
... what does his physical location have to do with anything? Americans make judgements about other people based on their nationality all the time, what's the difference?
Pretty much everything. Watching dubbed reruns of baywatch does not make you an expert on America, anymore than reading AT posts about Chirac makes me an expert on France.Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: alchemize
Schizo Nitzcho;
Ignoring all your other tinfoil blather, I was able to glean that you do not live in the United States. I was looking for that answer in another thread. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you live in Germany. Great country for the tinfoil crowd
See you in 35 days! Your 0/1 so far.
... what does his physical location have to do with anything?
No difference, other than it takes his credibility, which was already somewhere between pond scum and worm bellies, into an even deeper abyss.
So we can now safely say that no American has any credibility on any issue regarding countries other than our own?
No, but we can safely say that any American has reduced credibility for any issue regarding countries other than their own. And we can reverse that logic as well. And we can safely say that there are experiences and knowledge that would increase that credibility. Am I giving you warm fuzzies now?
What exactly is your point here? If you want to defend Schizo Nitcho's credibility, start proving some of the nutbar thing's he's posted.
Originally posted by: alchemize
Wow you guys are going to keep me busy coming back and posting what tinfoil fools you are (or I'll be back to eat my words. Well, I probably won't, since it will be the end of the world etc.).
OK, so I got on outlook and added 3 reminders:
1) Within 35 days, as quoted by Nitty head, confirmed by the "respected Italian newspaper Il Giornale based in Milan" (even though they were wrong about Feb 2nd) and unimpeachable Debka, New York will be destroyed. March 9th: call Schizo Nitzcho a tinfoil asshat.
2) September 24th, allowing for the "middle of september" to fully pass, call religous fruitcake FM2K3 a tinfoil asshat.
3) Jan 1, 05. After elections have passed without martial law being declared, once again declare FM2k3 a tinfoil asshat.
Depending on the outcome of #3, we'll probably be in for 4 more years of "well I was slightly off with my predictions, but mark my words you've seen the last free elections ever!"
By the way, the air raid sirens are going on outside! (monthly test). spoooooky! Don't you Hal Lindsey types ever learn? He's been predicting the end times for about 30 years now
TEH NOES!!! DON'T NOT TEH INSULTZ0R ME!!!oneone111111111!!!!!!
Don't you ever get tired of name-calling? It certainly doesn't help your argument any... I guess it must be an ego thing.
Let's get a few things straight here: I don't claim to know when the next terror attack will be, only that there is a high likelihood that there will be one before the current year in the Jewish calendar is up (i.e. mid-September). Al Qaida has stated that they will attack New York again, and our own Government has warned us of an impending attack on New York countless times. Why then do you think this is so off the wall?
Perhaps it's the whole martial law thing or perhaps it's because you don't want to believe your beloved President Bush is, in fact, a tool of Satan? Believe whatever you like. When it happens (and it will) let's just say I'm glad I'm not in your shoes.
At one point, the results coming out of the count of the content of your 2 foot x 2 foot wooden ballot end up in a computer, that is where something illegal happened, which was not reported by the few billionaires deciding what their salarymen are authorized to say.
Never forget how many lies they have kept feeding you over the years!
You all immediately saw the picture of Osama Bin Laden on TV on 9-11.
You never saw the pictures of those who plotted against JFK, RFK, MLK,...just the pictures of some patsies.
There is an american journalist working in exile for the BBC, who on occasion reported how some huge news were reduced to 3 lines on page A40 of the NYT, because if reported on the front page the course of history would have been changed and that was not wished by a few very rich persons.
His site: http://www.gregpalast.com/
The concentration of the media means the concentration of the power to decide what truths get full publicity and what truths end up in the obscurity, in the minds of a few people. You are not one of these few people. Nobody elected them. They do what they want. If they agree to obscure some issues, how do you find out? You simply do not find out. Like in the USSR.
Greg Palast is one of the best investigative journalists alive today. His book "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" is one of the best investigative pieces I've ever read, and does mention the subject of Bush's stolen election.
I wonder which neocon will be the first to respond to this with a snide remark...
eh, what about the phrase "mid-September/the end of the current year in the Jewish Calendar" do you *not* understand?
If I knew precisely when the next terror attack were going to occur that would make me either
a) a terrorist
b) a prophet
c) a member of the illuminati
I can safely rule out a) and c), and I doubt b) but would be more than happy to fill that role
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
eh, what about the phrase "mid-September/the end of the current year in the Jewish Calendar" do you *not* understand?
If I knew precisely when the next terror attack were going to occur that would make me either
a) a terrorist
b) a prophet
c) a member of the illuminati
I can safely rule out a) and c), and I doubt b) but would be more than happy to fill that role
So you're sure it'll happen, you're just not sure when it'll happen. Is that right?
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
eh, what about the phrase "mid-September/the end of the current year in the Jewish Calendar" do you *not* understand?
If I knew precisely when the next terror attack were going to occur that would make me either
a) a terrorist
b) a prophet
c) a member of the illuminati
I can safely rule out a) and c), and I doubt b) but would be more than happy to fill that role
So you're sure it'll happen, you're just not sure when it'll happen. Is that right?
LOL, this is funny.
Why don't you just get right to it and make your point? Asking the same question repeatedly will get you nowhere, especially since I've already given you the answer *twice*.
I doubt there's anyone outside of the three groups I listed in my previous post that know when the next terror attack will be, so why do you keep asking me?
You may think I'm a lunatic for claiming there will be another major terror attack on NYC, I think you're the loony for not believing.
We can't win the war on terror. How do you know who hates you? This war is nothing more than an excuse for Bush and his Luciferian cronies to issue the mark of the beast when the next terror attack comes.
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: alchemize
Wow you guys are going to keep me busy coming back and posting what tinfoil fools you are (or I'll be back to eat my words. Well, I probably won't, since it will be the end of the world etc.).
OK, so I got on outlook and added 3 reminders:
1) Within 35 days, as quoted by Nitty head, confirmed by the "respected Italian newspaper Il Giornale based in Milan" (even though they were wrong about Feb 2nd) and unimpeachable Debka, New York will be destroyed. March 9th: call Schizo Nitzcho a tinfoil asshat.
2) September 24th, allowing for the "middle of september" to fully pass, call religous fruitcake FM2K3 a tinfoil asshat.
3) Jan 1, 05. After elections have passed without martial law being declared, once again declare FM2k3 a tinfoil asshat.
Depending on the outcome of #3, we'll probably be in for 4 more years of "well I was slightly off with my predictions, but mark my words you've seen the last free elections ever!"
By the way, the air raid sirens are going on outside! (monthly test). spoooooky! Don't you Hal Lindsey types ever learn? He's been predicting the end times for about 30 years now
TEH NOES!!! DON'T NOT TEH INSULTZ0R ME!!!oneone111111111!!!!!!
Don't you ever get tired of name-calling? It certainly doesn't help your argument any... I guess it must be an ego thing.
Let's get a few things straight here: I don't claim to know when the next terror attack will be, only that there is a high likelihood that there will be one before the current year in the Jewish calendar is up (i.e. mid-September). Al Qaida has stated that they will attack New York again, and our own Government has warned us of an impending attack on New York countless times. Why then do you think this is so off the wall?
Perhaps it's the whole martial law thing or perhaps it's because you don't want to believe your beloved President Bush is, in fact, a tool of Satan? Believe whatever you like. When it happens (and it will) let's just say I'm glad I'm not in your shoes.
Calling you names doesn't help my argument, only punctuates it.
But I intend to *prove* you are a tinfoil asshat. i.e. that you have a butt for a head, or sh!t for brains. Because only someone with a rectum instead of grey matter in between the ears believes this stuff. :beer:
So again, you've stated it as fact. When it doesn't happen, I'll certainly be there to rub your stupid face in it. Feel free to do the same to me if I'm wrong, but of course the end of the world will be happening and we'll all be too busy to worry about that.
I have to ask alchy, exactly when will you rub his face in it? According to him, he isn't sure when it'll happen...only that eventually it will. I can say that the Detroit Tigers will win the World Series. I don't know when, but I'm certain that eventually it'll happen.
You've certainly proven me wrong with such a well-thought-out argument as that.... I bow to your superior linguistic skills, you cunning linguist.
Unlike you, I'm not worried about the end of the world. I look forward to it. I've considered posting on ATOT and rubbing it in your pagan faces when these things come to pass, but that's just plain wrong. I'd rather warn people beforehand than say "see, I told ya so" when it's too late. Unfortunately I can't say the same for you...
Once again, only time will tell who's right. I don't have a time machine and I'm not G-d so I don't know of any future events that are certain, other than what is written in the Bible. On the other side of the same coin, you have no more special insight into the future than I do, so how is your *opinion* any more valid than mine? Answer: it's not, and you should work on that ego problem before bashing others for what you perceive as their shortcomings.
Originally posted by: Gaard
I have to ask alchy, exactly when will you rub his face in it? According to him, he isn't sure when it'll happen...only that eventually it will. I can say that the Detroit Tigers will win the World Series. I don't know when, but I'm certain that eventually it'll happen.
Here's the problem with that: anyone can claim whatever they like but at least my claims are backed up by the Bible. Mock me for that all you like but it doesn't change the fact that we are living in the end times and the end is fast approaching. Anyone whose eyes have been opened by the L-rd as mine have, can see this plainly. I pray that everyone will be as blessed as I am, but know that it is not meant to be.
Good luck, and G-d bless.
If a radioactive bomb explodes in New-York, will it benefit anyone in the USA?
Will some people gain more power?
Will some people make more money?
Like since 9-11?
But further more.
In 1993, the mercury could have killed 100000 people if it had not been destroyed during the explosion instead of being spread by the explosion.
So some people already tried to kill a lot more people in New-York than on 9-11.
Did the media owned by a few billionaires tell you what is contained in this interview about it? =>
Andreas von Bülow was Minister for Research and Technology in the cabinet of former German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt, and was for 25 years an SPD member of the German parliament. During official investigations he learned of the work of the German and American intelligence and security agencies, and subsequently wrote a book on this subject, Im Namen des Staates (In the Name of the State). Von Bülow, 64, lives in Bonn, where he currently works as a lawyer. This interview was conducted by Stephan Lebert and Norbert Thomma.
Q: You seem so angry, really upset.
Von Bülow: I can explain what's bothering me: I see that after the horrifying attacks of September 11th all political public opinion is being forced into a direction that I consider wrong.
Q: What do you mean by that?
Von Bülow: I wonder why many questions are not asked. Normally, with such a terrible thing, various leads and tracks appear that are then commented on, by the investigators, the media, the government: Is there something here or not? Are the explanations plausible? This time, this is not the case at all. It already began just hours after the attacks in New York and Washington and ...
Q: In those hours, there was horror, and grief.
Von Bülow: Right, but actually it was astounding: There are 26 intelligence services in the U.S.A., with a budget of $30 billion ...
Q: More than the German defense budget.
Von Bülow: ... which were not able to prevent the attacks. In fact, they didn't even have an inkling they would happen. For sixty decisive minutes, the military and intelligence agencies let the fighter planes stay on the ground; 48 hours later, however, the FBI presented a list of [alleged] suicide attackers. Within ten days, it emerged that seven of them were still alive.
Q: What, please?
Von Bülow: Yes, yes. And why did the FBI chief take no position regarding contradictions? Where the list came from, why it was false? If I were the chief investigator in such a case I would regularly go to the public, and give information on which leads are valid and which not.
Q: The U.S. government talked about an emergency situation after the attacks: They said they were in a war. Is it not understandable that one does not tell the enemy everything one knows about him?
Von Bülow: Naturally. But a government which goes to war must first establish who the attacker, the enemy, is. It has a duty to provide evidence. According to its [the U.S. government's] own admission, it has not been able to present any evidence that would hold up in court.
Q: Some information on the perpetrators has been proven with documents. The suspected leader, Mohammad Atta, left Portland for Boston on the morning of September 11th in order to board the plane that later hit the World Trade Center.
Von Bülow: If this Atta was the decisive man in the operation, it's really strange that he took such a risk of taking a plane that would reach Boston such a short time before the connecting flight. Had his flight been a few minutes late he would not have been in the plane that was hijacked. Why should a sophisticated terrorist do this? One can, by the way, read on CNN's website that none of these names were on the official passenger lists. None of them had gone through the check-in procedures. And why did none of the threatened pilots give the agreed-upon code 7700 over the [Steuerknueppel: steering nob?] to the ground station? In addition: The black boxes which are fire and shock proof, as well as the voice recordings, contain no valuable data ...
Q: That sounds like ...
Von Bülow: ... like assailants who, in their preparations, leave tracks behind them like a herd of stampeding elephants? They made payments with credit cards with their own names; they reported to their flight instructors with their own names. They left behind rented cars with flight manuals in Arabic for jumbo jets. They took with them, on their [alleged] suicide trip, wills and farewell letters, which fall into the hands of the FBI, because they were stored in the wrong place and wrongly addressed. Clues were left like behind like in a child's game of hide-and-seek, which were to be followed! There is also the theory of one British flight engineer: According to this, the steering of the planes was perhaps taken out of the pilots' hands, from outside. The Americans had developed a method in the 1970s, whereby they could rescue hijacked planes by intervening into the computer piloting [automatic pilot system]. This theory says, this technique was abused in this case. That's a theory ... [See Home Run: Electronically Hijacking the World Trade Center Attack Aircraft.]
Q: Which sounds really adventurous, and was never considered.
Von Bülow: You see! I do not accept this theory, but I find it worth considering. And what about the obscure stock transactions? In the week prior to the attacks, the amount of transactions in stocks in American Airlines, United Airlines, and insurance companies, increased 1,200%. It was for a value of $15 billion. Some people must have known something. Who?
Q: Why don't you speculate on who it might have been.
Von Bülow: With the help of the horrifying attacks, the Western mass democracies were subjected to brainwashing. The enemy image of anti-communism doesn't work any more; it is to be replaced by peoples of Islamic belief. They are accused of having given birth to suicidal terrorism.
Q: Brainwashing? That's a tough term.
Von Bülow: Yes? But the idea of the enemy image doesn't come from me. It comes from Zbigniew Brzezinski and Samuel Huntington, two policy-makers of American intelligence and foreign policy. Already in the middle of he 1990s, Huntingon believed, people in Europe and the U.S. needed someone they could hate ? this would strengthen their identification with their own society. And Brzezinski, the mad dog, as adviser to President Jimmy Carter, campaigned for the exclusive right of the U.S. to seize all the raw materials of the world, especially oil and gas.
Q: You mean, the events of September 11th ...
Von Bülow: ... fit perfectly in the concept of the armaments industry, the intelligence agencies, the whole military-industrial-academic complex. This is in fact obvious. The huge raw materials reserves of the former Soviet Union are now at their [the U.S.'s] disposal, also the pipeline routes and ...
Q: Erich Follach described that at length in {Der Spiegel}: "It's a matter of military bases, drugs, oil and gas reserves."
Von Bülow: I can state: the planning of the attacks was technically and organizationally a master achievement. To hijack four huge airplanes within a few minutes, and within one hour to drive them into their targets, with complicated flight maneuvers! This is unthinkable, without years-long support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry.
Q: You are a conspiracy theorist!
Von Bülow: Yeah, yeah. That's the ridicule heaped [on those raising these questions] by those who would prefer to follow the official, politically correct line. Even investigative journalists are fed propaganda and disinformation. Anyone who doubts that, doesn't have all his marbles! That is your accusation.
Q: Your career actually speaks against the idea that you are not in your right mind. You were already in the 1970s state secretary in the Defense Ministry; in 1993 you were the SPD [Social Democratic Party] speaker in the Schalk-Golodkowski investigation committee ...
Von Bülow: And it all began there! Until that time, I did not have any great knowledge of the work of intelligence agencies. And now we had to take note of a great discrepancy: We shed light on the dealings of the Stasi and other East bloc intelligence agencies in the field of economic criminality, but as soon as we wanted to know something about the activities of the BND [Bundesnachrichtendienst, German intelligence] or the CIA, it was mercilessly blocked. No information, no cooperation, nothing! That's when I was first taken aback.
Q: Schalck-Golodkowski mediated, among other things, various business deals abroad. When you looked at his case more closely ...
Von Bülow: We found, for example, a clue in Rostock, where Schalck organized his weapons depot. Well, then we happened upon an affiliation of Schalck in Panama, and then we happened upon Manuel Noriega, who was for many years President, drug dealer, and money launderer, all in one, right? And this Noriega was also on the payroll of the CIA, for $200,000 a year. These were things that really made me curious.
Q: You wrote a book on the dealings of the CIA and Co. In the meantime, you have become an expert regarding the strange things related to intelligence services' work.
Von Bülow: "Strange things" is the wrong term. What has gone on, and goes on, in the name of intelligence services, are true crimes.
Q: What would you say determines the work of intelligence services?
Von Bülow: So that we don't have any misunderstanding: I find that it makes sense to have intelligence services ...
Q: You don't think much of the earlier proposals by the Greens, who wanted to dismantle these agencies?
Von Bülow: No. It is right to take a look behind the scenes. Getting intelligence about the intentions of an enemy, makes sense. It is important when one tries to put oneself into the mind of the enemy. Whoever wants to understand the CIA's methods, has to deal with its main tasks {covert operations}: below the level of war, and outside international law, foreign states are to be influenced, by organizing insurrections, terrorist attacks, usually combined with drugs and weapons trade, and money laundering. This is essentially very simple: One arms violent people with weapons. Since, however, it must not under any circumstances come out that there is an intelligence agency behind it, all traces are erased, with tremendous deployment of resources. I have the impression that this kind of intelligence agency spends 90% of its time this way: creating false leads. So that if anyone suspects the collaboration of the agencies, he is accused of the sickness of conspiracy madness. The truth often comes out only years later. CIA chief Allen Dulles once said: In case of doubt, I would even lie to the Congress!
Q: The American journalist Seymour M. Hersh, wrote in the {New Yorker} that even some people in the CIA and government assumed that certain leads had been laid in order to confuse the investigators. Who, Herr von Bülow, would have done this?
Von Bülow: I don't know that either. How should I? I simply use my common sense, and ? See: The terrorists behaved in such a way to attract attention. And as practicing Muslims, they were in a striptease bar, and, drunken, stuck dollar bills into the panty of the dancer.
Q: Things like that also happen.
Von Bülow: It may be. As a lone fighter, I cannot prove anything, that's beyond my capabilities. I have real difficulties, however, to imagine that all this all sprung out of the mind of an evil man in his cave.
Q: Mr. von Bülow, you yourself say that you are alone in your criticism. Formerly, you were part of the political establishment, now you are an outsider.
Von Bülow: That is a problem sometimes, but one gets used to it. By the way, I know a lot of people, including very influential ones, who agree with me, but only in whispers, never publicly.
Q: Do you still have contact with old SPD companions, such as Egon Bahr and former Chancellor Helmut Schmidt?
Von Bülow: There are no close contacts any more. I wanted to go to the last SPD party congress, but I was sick.
Q: Can it be, Mr. von Bülow, that you are a mouthpiece for typical anti-Americanism?
Von Bülow: Nonsense, this has absolutely nothing to do with anti-Americanism. I am a great admirer of this great, open, free society, and always have been. I studied in the U.S.
Q: How did you get the idea that there could be a link between the attacks and the American intelligence agencies?
Von Bülow: Do you remember the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993?
Q: Six people were killed and over a thousand wounded, by a bomb explosion.
Von Bülow: In the middle was the bombmaker, a former Egyptian officer. He had pulled together some Muslims for the attack. They were snuck into the country by the CIA, despite a State Department ban on their entry. At the same time, the leader of the band was an FBI informant. And he made a deal with the authorities: At the last minute, the dangerous explosive material would be replaced by a harmless powder. The FBI did not stick to the deal. The bomb exploded, so to speak, with the knowledge of the FBI. The official story of the crime was quickly found: The criminals were evil Muslims. [See Troubling Questions in Troubling Times.]
Q: At the time Soviet soldiers marched into Afghanistan, you were in the cabinet of Helmut Schmidt. What was it like?
Von Bülow: The Americans pushed for trade sanctions, they demanded the boycott of the Olympic games in Moscow ...
Q: ... which the German government followed ...
Von Bülow: And today we know: It was the strategy of the American security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, to destabilize the Soviet Union from neighboring Muslim countries: They lured the Russians into Afghanistan, and then prepared for them a hell on earth, their Vietnam. With decisive support of the U.S. intelligence agencies at least 30,000 Muslim fighters were trained in Afghanistan and Pakistan, a bunch of good-for-nothings and fanatics who were, and still are today, ready for anything. And one of them is Osama bin Laden. I wrote years ago: "It was out of this brood that the Taliban grew up in Afghanistan, who had been brought up in the Koranic schools financed by American and Saudi funds, the Taliban who are now terrorizing the country and destroying it."
Q: Even though you say, for the U.S. it was a matter of raw materials in the region, the starting point for the U.S. aggression, was the terrorist attack which cost thousands of human lives.
Von Bülow: Completely true. One must always keep this gruesome act in mind. Nonetheless, in the analysis of political processes, I am allowed to look and see who has advantages and disadvantages, and what is coincidental. When in doubt, it is always worthwhile to take a look at a map, where are raw materials resources, and the routes to them? Then lay a map of civil wars and conflicts on top of that ? they coincide. The same is the case with the third map: nodal points of the drug trade. Where this all comes together, the American intelligence services are not far away. By the way, the Bush family is linked to oil, gas, and weapons trade, through the bin Laden family.
Q: What do you think of the Bin Laden films?
Von Bülow: When one is dealing with intelligence services, one can imagine manipulations of the highest quality. Hollywood could provide these techniques. I consider the videos inappropriate as evidence.
Q: You believe the CIA is capable of anything [wouldn't stop at anything]?
Von Bülow: The CIA, in the state interests of the U.S., does not have to abide by any law in interventions abroad, is not bound by international law; only the President gives orders. And when funds are cut, and peace is on the horizon, then a bomb explodes somewhere. Thus it is proven, that you can't do without the intelligence services; and that the critics are {nuts} as Father Bush called them, Bush who was once CIA head and President. The U.S. spends $30 billion on intelligence services, and $13 billion on anti-drug work. And what comes out of it? The chief of a special unit of the strategic anti-drug work declared, in despair, after 30 years of service, that in every big, important drug case, the CIA came in and took it out of [his] hands.
Q: Do you criticize the German government for its reaction after September 11th?
Von Bülow: No. To assume that the government were independent in these questions would be naive.
Q: Herr von Bülow, what will you do now?
Von Bülow: Nothing. My task is concluded by saying, it could not have been that way [according to the official story]. Search for the truth!
Will some people gain more power?
Will some people make more money?
Like since 9-11?
But further more.
In 1993, the mercury could have killed 100000 people if it had not been destroyed during the explosion instead of being spread by the explosion.
So some people already tried to kill a lot more people in New-York than on 9-11.
Did the media owned by a few billionaires tell you what is contained in this interview about it? =>
Andreas von Bülow was Minister for Research and Technology in the cabinet of former German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt, and was for 25 years an SPD member of the German parliament. During official investigations he learned of the work of the German and American intelligence and security agencies, and subsequently wrote a book on this subject, Im Namen des Staates (In the Name of the State). Von Bülow, 64, lives in Bonn, where he currently works as a lawyer. This interview was conducted by Stephan Lebert and Norbert Thomma.
Q: You seem so angry, really upset.
Von Bülow: I can explain what's bothering me: I see that after the horrifying attacks of September 11th all political public opinion is being forced into a direction that I consider wrong.
Q: What do you mean by that?
Von Bülow: I wonder why many questions are not asked. Normally, with such a terrible thing, various leads and tracks appear that are then commented on, by the investigators, the media, the government: Is there something here or not? Are the explanations plausible? This time, this is not the case at all. It already began just hours after the attacks in New York and Washington and ...
Q: In those hours, there was horror, and grief.
Von Bülow: Right, but actually it was astounding: There are 26 intelligence services in the U.S.A., with a budget of $30 billion ...
Q: More than the German defense budget.
Von Bülow: ... which were not able to prevent the attacks. In fact, they didn't even have an inkling they would happen. For sixty decisive minutes, the military and intelligence agencies let the fighter planes stay on the ground; 48 hours later, however, the FBI presented a list of [alleged] suicide attackers. Within ten days, it emerged that seven of them were still alive.
Q: What, please?
Von Bülow: Yes, yes. And why did the FBI chief take no position regarding contradictions? Where the list came from, why it was false? If I were the chief investigator in such a case I would regularly go to the public, and give information on which leads are valid and which not.
Q: The U.S. government talked about an emergency situation after the attacks: They said they were in a war. Is it not understandable that one does not tell the enemy everything one knows about him?
Von Bülow: Naturally. But a government which goes to war must first establish who the attacker, the enemy, is. It has a duty to provide evidence. According to its [the U.S. government's] own admission, it has not been able to present any evidence that would hold up in court.
Q: Some information on the perpetrators has been proven with documents. The suspected leader, Mohammad Atta, left Portland for Boston on the morning of September 11th in order to board the plane that later hit the World Trade Center.
Von Bülow: If this Atta was the decisive man in the operation, it's really strange that he took such a risk of taking a plane that would reach Boston such a short time before the connecting flight. Had his flight been a few minutes late he would not have been in the plane that was hijacked. Why should a sophisticated terrorist do this? One can, by the way, read on CNN's website that none of these names were on the official passenger lists. None of them had gone through the check-in procedures. And why did none of the threatened pilots give the agreed-upon code 7700 over the [Steuerknueppel: steering nob?] to the ground station? In addition: The black boxes which are fire and shock proof, as well as the voice recordings, contain no valuable data ...
Q: That sounds like ...
Von Bülow: ... like assailants who, in their preparations, leave tracks behind them like a herd of stampeding elephants? They made payments with credit cards with their own names; they reported to their flight instructors with their own names. They left behind rented cars with flight manuals in Arabic for jumbo jets. They took with them, on their [alleged] suicide trip, wills and farewell letters, which fall into the hands of the FBI, because they were stored in the wrong place and wrongly addressed. Clues were left like behind like in a child's game of hide-and-seek, which were to be followed! There is also the theory of one British flight engineer: According to this, the steering of the planes was perhaps taken out of the pilots' hands, from outside. The Americans had developed a method in the 1970s, whereby they could rescue hijacked planes by intervening into the computer piloting [automatic pilot system]. This theory says, this technique was abused in this case. That's a theory ... [See Home Run: Electronically Hijacking the World Trade Center Attack Aircraft.]
Q: Which sounds really adventurous, and was never considered.
Von Bülow: You see! I do not accept this theory, but I find it worth considering. And what about the obscure stock transactions? In the week prior to the attacks, the amount of transactions in stocks in American Airlines, United Airlines, and insurance companies, increased 1,200%. It was for a value of $15 billion. Some people must have known something. Who?
Q: Why don't you speculate on who it might have been.
Von Bülow: With the help of the horrifying attacks, the Western mass democracies were subjected to brainwashing. The enemy image of anti-communism doesn't work any more; it is to be replaced by peoples of Islamic belief. They are accused of having given birth to suicidal terrorism.
Q: Brainwashing? That's a tough term.
Von Bülow: Yes? But the idea of the enemy image doesn't come from me. It comes from Zbigniew Brzezinski and Samuel Huntington, two policy-makers of American intelligence and foreign policy. Already in the middle of he 1990s, Huntingon believed, people in Europe and the U.S. needed someone they could hate ? this would strengthen their identification with their own society. And Brzezinski, the mad dog, as adviser to President Jimmy Carter, campaigned for the exclusive right of the U.S. to seize all the raw materials of the world, especially oil and gas.
Q: You mean, the events of September 11th ...
Von Bülow: ... fit perfectly in the concept of the armaments industry, the intelligence agencies, the whole military-industrial-academic complex. This is in fact obvious. The huge raw materials reserves of the former Soviet Union are now at their [the U.S.'s] disposal, also the pipeline routes and ...
Q: Erich Follach described that at length in {Der Spiegel}: "It's a matter of military bases, drugs, oil and gas reserves."
Von Bülow: I can state: the planning of the attacks was technically and organizationally a master achievement. To hijack four huge airplanes within a few minutes, and within one hour to drive them into their targets, with complicated flight maneuvers! This is unthinkable, without years-long support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry.
Q: You are a conspiracy theorist!
Von Bülow: Yeah, yeah. That's the ridicule heaped [on those raising these questions] by those who would prefer to follow the official, politically correct line. Even investigative journalists are fed propaganda and disinformation. Anyone who doubts that, doesn't have all his marbles! That is your accusation.
Q: Your career actually speaks against the idea that you are not in your right mind. You were already in the 1970s state secretary in the Defense Ministry; in 1993 you were the SPD [Social Democratic Party] speaker in the Schalk-Golodkowski investigation committee ...
Von Bülow: And it all began there! Until that time, I did not have any great knowledge of the work of intelligence agencies. And now we had to take note of a great discrepancy: We shed light on the dealings of the Stasi and other East bloc intelligence agencies in the field of economic criminality, but as soon as we wanted to know something about the activities of the BND [Bundesnachrichtendienst, German intelligence] or the CIA, it was mercilessly blocked. No information, no cooperation, nothing! That's when I was first taken aback.
Q: Schalck-Golodkowski mediated, among other things, various business deals abroad. When you looked at his case more closely ...
Von Bülow: We found, for example, a clue in Rostock, where Schalck organized his weapons depot. Well, then we happened upon an affiliation of Schalck in Panama, and then we happened upon Manuel Noriega, who was for many years President, drug dealer, and money launderer, all in one, right? And this Noriega was also on the payroll of the CIA, for $200,000 a year. These were things that really made me curious.
Q: You wrote a book on the dealings of the CIA and Co. In the meantime, you have become an expert regarding the strange things related to intelligence services' work.
Von Bülow: "Strange things" is the wrong term. What has gone on, and goes on, in the name of intelligence services, are true crimes.
Q: What would you say determines the work of intelligence services?
Von Bülow: So that we don't have any misunderstanding: I find that it makes sense to have intelligence services ...
Q: You don't think much of the earlier proposals by the Greens, who wanted to dismantle these agencies?
Von Bülow: No. It is right to take a look behind the scenes. Getting intelligence about the intentions of an enemy, makes sense. It is important when one tries to put oneself into the mind of the enemy. Whoever wants to understand the CIA's methods, has to deal with its main tasks {covert operations}: below the level of war, and outside international law, foreign states are to be influenced, by organizing insurrections, terrorist attacks, usually combined with drugs and weapons trade, and money laundering. This is essentially very simple: One arms violent people with weapons. Since, however, it must not under any circumstances come out that there is an intelligence agency behind it, all traces are erased, with tremendous deployment of resources. I have the impression that this kind of intelligence agency spends 90% of its time this way: creating false leads. So that if anyone suspects the collaboration of the agencies, he is accused of the sickness of conspiracy madness. The truth often comes out only years later. CIA chief Allen Dulles once said: In case of doubt, I would even lie to the Congress!
Q: The American journalist Seymour M. Hersh, wrote in the {New Yorker} that even some people in the CIA and government assumed that certain leads had been laid in order to confuse the investigators. Who, Herr von Bülow, would have done this?
Von Bülow: I don't know that either. How should I? I simply use my common sense, and ? See: The terrorists behaved in such a way to attract attention. And as practicing Muslims, they were in a striptease bar, and, drunken, stuck dollar bills into the panty of the dancer.
Q: Things like that also happen.
Von Bülow: It may be. As a lone fighter, I cannot prove anything, that's beyond my capabilities. I have real difficulties, however, to imagine that all this all sprung out of the mind of an evil man in his cave.
Q: Mr. von Bülow, you yourself say that you are alone in your criticism. Formerly, you were part of the political establishment, now you are an outsider.
Von Bülow: That is a problem sometimes, but one gets used to it. By the way, I know a lot of people, including very influential ones, who agree with me, but only in whispers, never publicly.
Q: Do you still have contact with old SPD companions, such as Egon Bahr and former Chancellor Helmut Schmidt?
Von Bülow: There are no close contacts any more. I wanted to go to the last SPD party congress, but I was sick.
Q: Can it be, Mr. von Bülow, that you are a mouthpiece for typical anti-Americanism?
Von Bülow: Nonsense, this has absolutely nothing to do with anti-Americanism. I am a great admirer of this great, open, free society, and always have been. I studied in the U.S.
Q: How did you get the idea that there could be a link between the attacks and the American intelligence agencies?
Von Bülow: Do you remember the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993?
Q: Six people were killed and over a thousand wounded, by a bomb explosion.
Von Bülow: In the middle was the bombmaker, a former Egyptian officer. He had pulled together some Muslims for the attack. They were snuck into the country by the CIA, despite a State Department ban on their entry. At the same time, the leader of the band was an FBI informant. And he made a deal with the authorities: At the last minute, the dangerous explosive material would be replaced by a harmless powder. The FBI did not stick to the deal. The bomb exploded, so to speak, with the knowledge of the FBI. The official story of the crime was quickly found: The criminals were evil Muslims. [See Troubling Questions in Troubling Times.]
Q: At the time Soviet soldiers marched into Afghanistan, you were in the cabinet of Helmut Schmidt. What was it like?
Von Bülow: The Americans pushed for trade sanctions, they demanded the boycott of the Olympic games in Moscow ...
Q: ... which the German government followed ...
Von Bülow: And today we know: It was the strategy of the American security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, to destabilize the Soviet Union from neighboring Muslim countries: They lured the Russians into Afghanistan, and then prepared for them a hell on earth, their Vietnam. With decisive support of the U.S. intelligence agencies at least 30,000 Muslim fighters were trained in Afghanistan and Pakistan, a bunch of good-for-nothings and fanatics who were, and still are today, ready for anything. And one of them is Osama bin Laden. I wrote years ago: "It was out of this brood that the Taliban grew up in Afghanistan, who had been brought up in the Koranic schools financed by American and Saudi funds, the Taliban who are now terrorizing the country and destroying it."
Q: Even though you say, for the U.S. it was a matter of raw materials in the region, the starting point for the U.S. aggression, was the terrorist attack which cost thousands of human lives.
Von Bülow: Completely true. One must always keep this gruesome act in mind. Nonetheless, in the analysis of political processes, I am allowed to look and see who has advantages and disadvantages, and what is coincidental. When in doubt, it is always worthwhile to take a look at a map, where are raw materials resources, and the routes to them? Then lay a map of civil wars and conflicts on top of that ? they coincide. The same is the case with the third map: nodal points of the drug trade. Where this all comes together, the American intelligence services are not far away. By the way, the Bush family is linked to oil, gas, and weapons trade, through the bin Laden family.
Q: What do you think of the Bin Laden films?
Von Bülow: When one is dealing with intelligence services, one can imagine manipulations of the highest quality. Hollywood could provide these techniques. I consider the videos inappropriate as evidence.
Q: You believe the CIA is capable of anything [wouldn't stop at anything]?
Von Bülow: The CIA, in the state interests of the U.S., does not have to abide by any law in interventions abroad, is not bound by international law; only the President gives orders. And when funds are cut, and peace is on the horizon, then a bomb explodes somewhere. Thus it is proven, that you can't do without the intelligence services; and that the critics are {nuts} as Father Bush called them, Bush who was once CIA head and President. The U.S. spends $30 billion on intelligence services, and $13 billion on anti-drug work. And what comes out of it? The chief of a special unit of the strategic anti-drug work declared, in despair, after 30 years of service, that in every big, important drug case, the CIA came in and took it out of [his] hands.
Q: Do you criticize the German government for its reaction after September 11th?
Von Bülow: No. To assume that the government were independent in these questions would be naive.
Q: Herr von Bülow, what will you do now?
Von Bülow: Nothing. My task is concluded by saying, it could not have been that way [according to the official story]. Search for the truth!
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