Bush Mercury Proposal

[bupkus]

News
If terrorists were planning to release 48 tons of mercury into America, Homefront would be all over it and Bush would be in front of the cameras praising another victory over terrorism.

 

[Crimson]

Maybe you idiots should stop opposing Nuclear power plants then.. where do you think electricity comes from, thin air? Grows on trees? We have cleaner alternatives, you guys just refuse to accept them.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Maybe you idiots should stop opposing Nuclear power plants then.. where do you think electricity comes from, thin air? Grows on trees? We have cleaner alternatives, you guys just refuse to accept them.

Do we have a safe disposal alternative for spent Nuclear fuel? I hear we are behind the French in the ability to reprocess it..

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Maybe you idiots should stop opposing Nuclear power plants then.. where do you think electricity comes from, thin air? Grows on trees? We have cleaner alternatives, you guys just refuse to accept them.

Isn't it about how much we're willing to pay? Nuclear isn't really clean - so that leaves renewables. I've never seen a good assessment on how much it would cost us (per capita for instance) to retire some of our fossil fuel plants and replace them with renewables on an order of magnitude increased scale as compared to what they're at now.

It's not that they're not viable, it's that simply oil is cheaper. The question is how much of a loss are you willing to take for a whatever percentage decrease in pollutant output?

Need numbers to argue this but no-one seems to have any reliable ones (that I've seen).

Cheers,

Andy

 

[dudleydocker]

<-------------dissapointed because since today was the 100th anniversary of wright brothers flight and there were rumors of a major space initiative announcement by the White House......thought we were going to the planet Mercury....

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: dudleydocker
<-------------dissapointed because since today was the 100th anniversary of wright brothers flight and there were rumors of a major space initiative announcement by the White House......thought we were going to the planet Mercury....

Andy

 

[kandarp]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Crimson
Maybe you idiots should stop opposing Nuclear power plants then.. where do you think electricity comes from, thin air? Grows on trees? We have cleaner alternatives, you guys just refuse to accept them.

Do we have a safe disposal alternative for spent Nuclear fuel? I hear we are behind the French in the ability to reprocess it..

I say put it in a container and blast that baby off into space, worst that can happen is it hitting an alien ship and taking it down, that will teach those suckers to abduct us and probe our most intimate of regions.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Crimson
Maybe you idiots should stop opposing Nuclear power plants then.. where do you think electricity comes from, thin air? Grows on trees? We have cleaner alternatives, you guys just refuse to accept them.

Do we have a safe disposal alternative for spent Nuclear fuel? I hear we are behind the French in the ability to reprocess it..

New Jersey

 

[Fencer128]

New Jersey

*sound of me crossing "New Jersey" off my vacation list*



*sound of anandtech member typing "why was New Jersey ever on your vacation list!?"*



Andy

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: kandarp

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Crimson
Maybe you idiots should stop opposing Nuclear power plants then.. where do you think electricity comes from, thin air? Grows on trees? We have cleaner alternatives, you guys just refuse to accept them.

Do we have a safe disposal alternative for spent Nuclear fuel? I hear we are behind the French in the ability to reprocess it..

I say put it in a container and blast that baby off into space, worst that can happen is it hitting an alien ship and taking it down, that will teach those suckers to abduct us and probe our most intimate of regions.

ROFLMAO... Thanks I needed that...

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Damn did you look at that map . . . I have a feeling Bush is trying to do for America what he did for Texas.

 

[OrganizedChaos]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Crimson
Maybe you idiots should stop opposing Nuclear power plants then.. where do you think electricity comes from, thin air? Grows on trees? We have cleaner alternatives, you guys just refuse to accept them.

Do we have a safe disposal alternative for spent Nuclear fuel? I hear we are behind the French in the ability to reprocess it..

Umm we have NO ability to reprocess it anymore. Jimmy Carter banned nuclear reprocessing in the united states in '77.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Crimson
Maybe you idiots should stop opposing Nuclear power plants then.. where do you think electricity comes from, thin air? Grows on trees? We have cleaner alternatives, you guys just refuse to accept them.

Do we have a safe disposal alternative for spent Nuclear fuel? I hear we are behind the French in the ability to reprocess it..

Umm we have NO ability to reprocess it anymore. Jimmy Carter banned nuclear reprocessing in the united states in '77.

Yes, reprocessing creates plutonium in the process and the greens and the antiwar camp think that is a bad thing. But i guess they would rather have more nuclear waste than less.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: bupkus
News
If terrorists were planning to release 48 tons of mercury into America, Homefront would be all over it and Bush would be in front of the cameras praising another victory over terrorism.

Of course you realize there are currently no caps on the amount of mercury outputs for power plants now.

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: bupkus
News
If terrorists were planning to release 48 tons of mercury into America, Homefront would be all over it and Bush would be in front of the cameras praising another victory over terrorism.

Of course you realize there are currently no caps on the amount of mercury outputs for power plants now.

Do not the clean air and clean smoke stack acts apply to some plants? And can some others who have been performing "routine maintenance" -> read "major upgrades" not be bought to heel under the law for exploiting "grandfathering" loopholes?

That would leave the other non-upgraded non-clean air, clean smokestack act plants, which could upgrade under newer legislation?

Cheers,

Andy

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: bupkus
News
If terrorists were planning to release 48 tons of mercury into America, Homefront would be all over it and Bush would be in front of the cameras praising another victory over terrorism.

Of course you realize there are currently no caps on the amount of mercury outputs for power plants now.

Do not the clean air and clean smoke stack acts apply to some plants? And can some others who have been performing "routine maintenance" -> read "major upgrades" not be bought to heel under the law for exploiting "grandfathering" loopholes?

Cheers,

Andy

Clean air covers nox and so2, but does not cover mercury. There used to be convoluted rules on what was maintance and what was upgrades. These rules caused a significant amount of litigation to determine what got grandfathered in. There was a recent change in the rules that requires any upgrade/maintance project that is worth 20% of the facility cost to require retrofits for pollution control.

The rule at least is simple now. I dont know enough to know if 20% is good, bad or neutral.