Bush Lied

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
My mom is dead. Given your position on people posting about loss of loved ones in direct response to posts, I guess I get a pass for crapping on your useless thread? 😉

So, you admit you have ZERO refutation for any of this:

A random sampling of outright LIES by Geroge Bush:

1. From the 2000 Presidential debate with Al Gore:

Bush: "There's only been one governor ever elected to back-to-back four year terms and that was me."

Fact: The governors who served two consecutive four-year terms (meeting Bush's statement criteria are): Coke R. Stevenson (2 consecutive 4-year terms) August 4, 1941-January 21, 1947. Allan Shivers (2 consecutive four-year terms) July 11, 1949-January 15, 1957. Price Daniel (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 15, 1957-January 15, 1963. John Connally (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 15, 1963-January 21, 1969. Dolph Briscoe (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 16, 1973-January 16, 1979. George W. Bush (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 17, 1995 to present. Source: Texas State Libraries and Archives Commission.


2. Veterans Health Care, 1/17/03:

Bush: ?Having been here and seeing the care that these troops get is comforting for me and Laura. We are -- should and must provide the best care for anybody who is willing to put their life in harm's way.?

Bush's visit came on the same day that the Administration announced it is immediately cutting off access to its health care system approximately 164,000 veterans [W. Post, 1/17/03].


3. Lying about Ken Lay, 1/10.2002:

"First of all, Ken Lay is a supporter, and I got to know Ken Lay when he was a head of the -- what they call the Governor's Business Council in Texas. He was a supporter of Ann Richards (former Texas governor) in my run against her in 1994, and she named him head of the Governor's Business Council and I decided to leave him in place, for the sake of continuity. And that's when I first got to know Ken and worked with Ken, and he supported my candidacy . . . "

The truth
In fact GWBush knew and associated with Ken Lay long before 1994 and Bush was much closer to Lay than just re-appointing him to a business council.

In the summer of 1991, Lay told the Dallas Morning News that in 1989, when he was spearheading a project to locate the Bush Presidential Library in Houston (Bush I), "That's when I probably spent more quality time with George W. Bush." 1989 -- not 1994.

Lay headed the local host committee for the 1992 Republican National Convention in Houston where, according to what he told the Houston Chronicle he "worked closely with George W. Bush." 1992 -- not 1994.

In a March 2001 interview with PBS, Lay told a much different story from the lie told by GWBush. Lay stated that he had been "a strong financial and political supporter of, first, President Bush, Sr., when he was running for president in 1980. . . I'm very close to the family. . . I was very close to George W. and had a lot of respect for him . . . " 1980 -- not 1994.

In a video of an October 2000 meeting of Enron employees, Lay stated "I strongly supported Bush when he ran for governor of Texas both times." In fact, Bush sent Lay a letter in 1997 in which he referred to Lay as one of his "old friends."

What about Bush's claim that Lay had supported Ann Richards, former Texas governor? Lay and his wife contributed $12,500 to Richards. They gave $47,500 to Bush and Enron's political action committee gave Bush $146,500 (the PAC gave Richards $19,500).

From 1994 on, Lay and his wife gave: $122,500 for the two Bush gubernatorial campaigns; $100,000 for his inauguration; $250,000 for the Bush I presidential library. Enron and Enron executives gave $736,680 to Bush for his political campaigns, his election recount, and his inauguration.



And there you go, three direct and fully documented LIES by George W. Bush, just a random sample from a history of his lying and lying and lying. That man's pants are on fire!

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Ozoned
I guess I get a pass for crapping on your useless thread? 😉

So, you admit you have ZERO refutation for any of this:

So you admit that this is a useless thread?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Ozoned
I guess I get a pass for crapping on your useless thread? 😉

So, you admit you have ZERO refutation for any of this:

So you admit that this is a useless thread?

Absolutely not. But you are a useless poster.

Refute my evidence, or STFU, troll.

 

[etech]

A random sampling of outright LIES by Geroge Bush:

1. From the 2000 Presidential debate with Al Gore:

Bush: "There's only been one governor ever elected to back-to-back four year terms and that was me."

Fact: The governors who served two consecutive four-year terms (meeting Bush's statement criteria are): Coke R. Stevenson (2 consecutive 4-year terms) August 4, 1941-January 21, 1947. Allan Shivers (2 consecutive four-year terms) July 11, 1949-January 15, 1957. Price Daniel (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 15, 1957-January 15, 1963. John Connally (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 15, 1963-January 21, 1969. Dolph Briscoe (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 16, 1973-January 16, 1979. George W. Bush (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 17, 1995 to present. Source: Texas State Libraries and Archives Commission.

utexas.edu

3. The Texas Governor: The Basics
The Texas Constitution, as modified over the years by actions of the legislature, outlines the basics of the Texas governor's office.

3.1 Qualifications and Characteristics
To serve as governor of Texas, a person must be at least thirty years old, a United States citizen, and a resident of Texas for at least five years preceding his or her election. These are the only legal requirements to hold the office. This table compares qualifications in Texas to other states and to the qualifications to be president.

Voters loosened one constraint on the governor's powers in 1972 by approving a constitutional amendment to extend the term of office from two to four years. This measure went into effect in 1975, but since then the only governor to be elected to two consecutive four-year terms was George W. Bush. However, his selection as President in the middle of his second term meant that no one has yet been able to fully exploit the potential political advantages of serving two full terms.


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STEVENSON, COKE ROBERT (1888-1975).
He was elected to the Texas House of Representatives in 1928, and he was a member of that body from 1929 to 1939. He served as speaker of the House from 1933 to 1937, the first person ever to hold that office for two successive terms. Stevenson was elected lieutenant governor of Texas, and served from 1939 to August 4, 1941, when he became governor after W. Lee O'Daniel resigned to become United States senator. Stevenson was elected governor on his own in 1942. He was reelected in 1944 by an overwhelming vote, and his tenure from August, 1941, to January, 1947, was the longest consecutive service of any Texas governor up to that time.

Nope, no back to back four year terms there.


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ALLAN SHIVERS
When Governor Beauford Jester died of a heart attack in July 1949, Shivers succeeded to the office, won re-election in 1950, 1952, and 1954, and became Texas' longest serving governor until William P. Clements completed his second term in 1991. Even so, Shivers can claim the longest consecutive service as governor until present Governor George W. Bush completes his second term.

Nope, no back to back four year terms there.


Do I need to go on, or will you admit that you are wrong on that point and just spreading your own lies?

edit/
In case you think that my not addressing the other two means I agree with you, don't, it doesn't. It's late and I want to take these one at a time.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: etech

A random sampling of outright LIES by Geroge Bush:

1. From the 2000 Presidential debate with Al Gore:

Bush: "There's only been one governor ever elected to back-to-back four year terms and that was me."

Fact: The governors who served two consecutive four-year terms (meeting Bush's statement criteria are): Coke R. Stevenson (2 consecutive 4-year terms) August 4, 1941-January 21, 1947. Allan Shivers (2 consecutive four-year terms) July 11, 1949-January 15, 1957. Price Daniel (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 15, 1957-January 15, 1963. John Connally (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 15, 1963-January 21, 1969. Dolph Briscoe (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 16, 1973-January 16, 1979. George W. Bush (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 17, 1995 to present. Source: Texas State Libraries and Archives Commission.

utexas.edu

3. The Texas Governor: The Basics
The Texas Constitution, as modified over the years by actions of the legislature, outlines the basics of the Texas governor's office.

3.1 Qualifications and Characteristics
To serve as governor of Texas, a person must be at least thirty years old, a United States citizen, and a resident of Texas for at least five years preceding his or her election. These are the only legal requirements to hold the office. This table compares qualifications in Texas to other states and to the qualifications to be president.

Voters loosened one constraint on the governor's powers in 1972 by approving a constitutional amendment to extend the term of office from two to four years. This measure went into effect in 1975, but since then the only governor to be elected to two consecutive four-year terms was George W. Bush. However, his selection as President in the middle of his second term meant that no one has yet been able to fully exploit the potential political advantages of serving two full terms.


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STEVENSON, COKE ROBERT (1888-1975).
He was elected to the Texas House of Representatives in 1928, and he was a member of that body from 1929 to 1939. He served as speaker of the House from 1933 to 1937, the first person ever to hold that office for two successive terms. Stevenson was elected lieutenant governor of Texas, and served from 1939 to August 4, 1941, when he became governor after W. Lee O'Daniel resigned to become United States senator. Stevenson was elected governor on his own in 1942. He was reelected in 1944 by an overwhelming vote, and his tenure from August, 1941, to January, 1947, was the longest consecutive service of any Texas governor up to that time.

Nope, no back to back four year terms there.


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ALLAN SHIVERS
When Governor Beauford Jester died of a heart attack in July 1949, Shivers succeeded to the office, won re-election in 1950, 1952, and 1954, and became Texas' longest serving governor until William P. Clements completed his second term in 1991. Even so, Shivers can claim the longest consecutive service as governor until present Governor George W. Bush completes his second term.

Nope, no back to back four year terms there.


Do I need to go on, or will you admit that you are wrong on that point and just spreading your own lies?

I'm wrong on that point. Please go on.

Show how Bush did not flat out lie about his relationship with Ken Lay.

Oh, and of course, by these standards, Kerry's lie total now stands at ZERO.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: etech

A random sampling of outright LIES by Geroge Bush:

1. From the 2000 Presidential debate with Al Gore:

Bush: "There's only been one governor ever elected to back-to-back four year terms and that was me."

Fact: The governors who served two consecutive four-year terms (meeting Bush's statement criteria are): Coke R. Stevenson (2 consecutive 4-year terms) August 4, 1941-January 21, 1947. Allan Shivers (2 consecutive four-year terms) July 11, 1949-January 15, 1957. Price Daniel (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 15, 1957-January 15, 1963. John Connally (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 15, 1963-January 21, 1969. Dolph Briscoe (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 16, 1973-January 16, 1979. George W. Bush (2 consecutive four-year terms) January 17, 1995 to present. Source: Texas State Libraries and Archives Commission.

utexas.edu

3. The Texas Governor: The Basics
The Texas Constitution, as modified over the years by actions of the legislature, outlines the basics of the Texas governor's office.

3.1 Qualifications and Characteristics
To serve as governor of Texas, a person must be at least thirty years old, a United States citizen, and a resident of Texas for at least five years preceding his or her election. These are the only legal requirements to hold the office. This table compares qualifications in Texas to other states and to the qualifications to be president.

Voters loosened one constraint on the governor's powers in 1972 by approving a constitutional amendment to extend the term of office from two to four years. This measure went into effect in 1975, but since then the only governor to be elected to two consecutive four-year terms was George W. Bush. However, his selection as President in the middle of his second term meant that no one has yet been able to fully exploit the potential political advantages of serving two full terms.


---

STEVENSON, COKE ROBERT (1888-1975).
He was elected to the Texas House of Representatives in 1928, and he was a member of that body from 1929 to 1939. He served as speaker of the House from 1933 to 1937, the first person ever to hold that office for two successive terms. Stevenson was elected lieutenant governor of Texas, and served from 1939 to August 4, 1941, when he became governor after W. Lee O'Daniel resigned to become United States senator. Stevenson was elected governor on his own in 1942. He was reelected in 1944 by an overwhelming vote, and his tenure from August, 1941, to January, 1947, was the longest consecutive service of any Texas governor up to that time.

Nope, no back to back four year terms there.


-----

ALLAN SHIVERS
When Governor Beauford Jester died of a heart attack in July 1949, Shivers succeeded to the office, won re-election in 1950, 1952, and 1954, and became Texas' longest serving governor until William P. Clements completed his second term in 1991. Even so, Shivers can claim the longest consecutive service as governor until present Governor George W. Bush completes his second term.

Nope, no back to back four year terms there.


Do I need to go on, or will you admit that you are wrong on that point and just spreading your own lies?

Anyone can inadvertently lie.

 

[etech]

Perknose

I'm wrong on that point. Please go on.

Show how Bush did not flat out lie about his relationship with Ken Lay.

Oh, and of course, by these standards, Kerry's lie total now stands at ZERO.

Before we go on. Did you just copy and post that crap from some site without doing any research at all?


What exactly do you mean by "by these standards, Kerry's lie total now stands at ZERO."

By what standards, that you will thow any bit of crap you can find on the internet out there and when it is discounted you just go oh, but what about, but what about, but what about, this bit of crap I found on the intraweb?

 

[Perknose]

Did George Bush outright lie about his realtionship with Ken Lay, or didn't he?

 

[etech]

Nope, it's my turn to have a question answered.

"What exactly do you mean by "by these standards, Kerry's lie total now stands at ZERO.""

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Ozoned
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EXCESSIVE RYTHMIC ARM MOTION MAY CAUSE CHAFEING.

😛

We understand you're pissed your Mom confiscated your magazines. Being 13 isn't easy. But posting the warning your Mom hung over your custom Speedracer bed is just a tragic cry for help, and reflects poorly on you. Now put your jammies on, douse that light, and suppress that urge to touch yourself.

I'm not one to jump on the rules, but this seems awefully like a personal attack to me. Especially considering it has nothing to do with the topic, insults his age, his mother, and makes sexual references. I'd expect better from an 'elite' member.

 

[TechJunkie95242]

Anyone can inadvertently lie.[/quote]

Wow then he must have inadvertently lied a lot.

So by saying that you admit that Bush's intelligence sources are inaccurate or he himself is a incompetent ignoramus that does not read what he says before hand?

Bush link

 

[TechJunkie95242]

?

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Perknose
I'm wrong on that point.

This is why Perknose isn't on the 'list'. I've learned to simply accept the fact that certain members would rather have their fingernails ripped out before uttering that phrase. That's why they're on the 'list'.

 

[Gaard]

Oh, and this is my favorite Bush lie..."full cooperation" (concerning the 9/11 commission)

 

[Crimson]

Hey Perk, can you change the summary of this thread from:

"Let us begin the Great Scroll"

to

"Let us begin the Great Troll"

Thanks!

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Hey Perk, can you change the summary of this thread from:

"Let us begin the Great Scroll"

to

"Let us begin the Great Troll"

Thanks!

Oh the irony. :laugh:

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Perknose
Did George Bush outright lie about his realtionship with Ken Lay, or didn't he?

Well, Perk, since you haven't had time to state what you meant by "by these standards, Kerry's lie total now stands at ZERO."


I'll ask another question.

Do you have another source besides Ken Lay that describes a relationship between him and Pres. Bush. All you posted are some quotes by Lay. Got anything else to collaborate your story?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: etech
Do you have another source besides Ken Lay that describes a relationship between him and Pres. Bush. All you posted are some quotes by Lay. Got anything else to collaborate your story?

That's not true, please re-read what I posted.

Or, to quote you:

"Do I need to go on, or will you admit that you are wrong on that point and just spreading your own lies?"

Well?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: etech
Do you have another source besides Ken Lay that describes a relationship between him and Pres. Bush. All you posted are some quotes by Lay. Got anything else to collaborate your story?

That's not true, please re-read what I posted.

Or, to quote you:

"Do I need to go on, or will you admit that you are wrong on that point and just spreading your own lies?"

Well?

Well, let's see.

The truth
In fact GWBush knew and associated with Ken Lay long before 1994 and Bush was much closer to Lay than just re-appointing him to a business council.

In the summer of 1991, Lay told the Dallas Morning News that in 1989, when he was spearheading a project to locate the Bush Presidential Library in Houston (Bush I), "That's when I probably spent more quality time with George W. Bush." 1989 -- not 1994.

Lay headed the local host committee for the 1992 Republican National Convention in Houston where, according to what he told the Houston Chronicle he "worked closely with George W. Bush." 1992 -- not 1994.

In a March 2001 interview with PBS, Lay told a much different story from the lie told by GWBush. Lay stated that he had been "a strong financial and political supporter of, first, President Bush, Sr., when he was running for president in 1980. . . I'm very close to the family. . . I was very close to George W. and had a lot of respect for him . . . " 1980 -- not 1994.

In a video of an October 2000 meeting of Enron employees, Lay stated "I strongly supported Bush when he ran for governor of Texas both times." In fact, Bush sent Lay a letter in 1997 in which he referred to Lay as one of his "old friends."

What about Bush's claim that Lay had supported Ann Richards, former Texas governor? Lay and his wife contributed $12,500 to Richards. They gave $47,500 to Bush and Enron's political action committee gave Bush $146,500 (the PAC gave Richards $19,500).

From 1994 on, Lay and his wife gave: $122,500 for the two Bush gubernatorial campaigns; $100,000 for his inauguration; $250,000 for the Bush I presidential library. Enron and Enron executives gave $736,680 to Bush for his political campaigns, his election recount, and his inauguration.

As for his contributions, he supported Bush. It does not say "GWBush knew and associated with Ken Lay long before 1994 and Bush was much closer to Lay than just re-appointing him to a business council.
"

He did give money to Ann Richards, that is support. Can you spin that into something?

You still have an unanswered question of mine to address. Is there a problem?

 

[Perknose]

I am holding you to the same strict standards to which you held me. When I posted something in error, you demanded:

"Do I need to go on, or will you admit that you are wrong on that point and just spreading your own lies?"

I flat out admitted I was wrong.

You have posted, in error, "All you posted are some quotes by Lay."

Yet when I ask you simply to hold yourself to the same standards you demanded of me (intemperately foaming that I lied, which was not the case), you post hundreds of words, but no such admission.

I admitted, "I was wrong." Why can't you?

 

[etech]

The only parts that you posted that were relevant to "GWBush knew and associated with Ken Lay long before 1994 and Bush was much closer to Lay than just re-appointing him to a business council.
" are the quotes by Lay.

But you are correct and I was wrong. You did post other misleading and useless to this discussion quotes.

Now do you have any other collaborating quotes to back up what you called a Bush liar for or not?


Can you answer this question or not, Why are you ducking it?

""What exactly do you mean by "by these standards, Kerry's lie total now stands at ZERO."" "

 

[Perknose]

Bush's quote from Jan. 10, 2002:

"First of all, Ken Lay is a supporter, and I got to know Ken Lay when he was a head of the -- what they call the Governor's Business Council in Texas. He was a supporter of Ann Richards (former Texas governor) in my run against her in 1994, and she named him head of the Governor's Business Council and I decided to leave him in place, for the sake of continuity. And that's when I first got to know Ken and worked with Ken, and he supported my candidacy . . . "

. . . is a fine example of why when they swear you in to give testimony you must pledge to tell, not only the truth, but the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Bush says, "He [Lay] was a supporter of Ann Richards (former Texas governor) in my run against her in 1994." Yet Lay and his wife contributed $12,500 to Richards. They gave $47,500 to Bush and Enron's political action committee gave Bush $146,500 (the PAC gave Richards $19,500).

All told, Lay and his minions gave nearly TEN TIMES the amount of money to Bush as he did to Richards. And you call George Bush's statement honest? Get real!

As Robert Scheer wrote in the LA Times:

I can't speak to the varying levels of intimacy of their relationship, but Bush had considerable contact with Lay two years earlier when the Enron leader served as the chair of the host committee for the 1992 Republican convention in Houston, where Bush the senior was nominated for his second term as president.

Btw, you simply cannot dismiss out of hand the many statements, made over a period of years, from Ken Lay about this relationship:

In an interview with PBS?s "Frontline" taped on March 27, 2001, Lay said, ?When Governor Bush, now President Bush, decided to run for the governor?s spot, [there was] a little difficult situation. I?d worked very closely with Ann Richards also, the four years she was governor. But I was very close to George W. and had a lot of respect for him, had watched him over the years, particularly with reference to dealing with his father when his father was in the White House and some of the things he did to work for his father, and so did support him.?

To any non-partisan observer, there can be little doubt that Bush mispresented his relationship to Ken Lay. He had good reason to do so, but it was not honest.

And, etech, you simply do not get, a priori, to decide what nationally sourced evidence is germane or admissable here.

 

[etech]

PERKNOSE

Can you answer this question or not, Why are you ducking it?

""What exactly do you mean by "by these standards, Kerry's lie total now stands at ZERO.""

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: etech
PERKNOSE

Can you answer this question or not, Why are you ducking it?

""What exactly do you mean by "by these standards, Kerry's lie total now stands at ZERO.""

Bush's first quote, that he was the only governor to serve back to back four year terms, is absolutely one of those weasel truths, a game that many politicians play. It was absolutely meant to convey more prestige and distinction to Bush than the situation calls for. He does not mention that the law was changed in 1975, less than 20 years before he became governor.

He does not mention that several other Texas governor's were elected to consecutive (2yr) terms, and Alan Shivers was re-elected three tiimes.

Bush's statement is deliberately misleading. So was Kerry's, though Kerry's statement had a GREAT DEAL OF TRUTH in it, as several posters strove to point out to you.

But, if it makes you feel better, we can reset the Kerry lie meter at one. In fact, I'm all for it. It opens the door to a standard which allows for all the Bush half lies about Iraq (see Gaard's posts above) to be let in.

Bush is the bigger liar by far.

 

[etech]

I see, you have appointed yourself as the arbiter of what is the truth and what constitutes a lie. If it fits your agenda, then it's the truth. If it doesn't, it's a lie.

Got it.