yeah, it's a big mess
but on a brighter note, how about that old guy behind Daschle who looked like he was falling asleep? heheh
but on a brighter note, how about that old guy behind Daschle who looked like he was falling asleep? heheh
Know Daschle is just a dumbass.
Basically the rank and file democrats were bitching about the party leadership for supporting the war(which they havent been, theyve been dragging their feet, but whatever). The moderate democrats are just fine with the current situation.
Rank and file democrats are just upset they are backed into a corner two months before the elections. They are the ones making politics over the Iraq issue, not the Bush admin, they want this issue to go away or pushed back so they can try and lay blame on Bush for the economy. The avg american would believe them, they know this, this is why they are tying to get Iraq issue pushed back after the elections. Bush isnt to blame for the economy, any economist will tell you that. They will also say the economy was going down hill the last 18 months of the Clinton admin. But the rank and file dems want to point fingers at Bush and Republicans so they can pick up seats, and then prevent Bush from doing anything in 2003 and 2004, so they might have a slight chance of winning the presidency in '04. At this point, the dems arent likely to take the house, and its up in the air who will take control of the Senate. And at this point no one will even come close to beating Bush in '04 even with the stock market in the crapper because of people pulling there money out of it.
The economy isnt that bad, we ARE NOT in a reccession, we have growth. Some sectors have alot of growth. The problem is alot of people pulled out of the stock market and put their money into real estate because right now real estate is a good investment, but thats probably going to change.
Basically the rank and file democrats were bitching about the party leadership for supporting the war(which they havent been, theyve been dragging their feet, but whatever). The moderate democrats are just fine with the current situation.
Rank and file democrats are just upset they are backed into a corner two months before the elections. They are the ones making politics over the Iraq issue, not the Bush admin, they want this issue to go away or pushed back so they can try and lay blame on Bush for the economy. The avg american would believe them, they know this, this is why they are tying to get Iraq issue pushed back after the elections. Bush isnt to blame for the economy, any economist will tell you that. They will also say the economy was going down hill the last 18 months of the Clinton admin. But the rank and file dems want to point fingers at Bush and Republicans so they can pick up seats, and then prevent Bush from doing anything in 2003 and 2004, so they might have a slight chance of winning the presidency in '04. At this point, the dems arent likely to take the house, and its up in the air who will take control of the Senate. And at this point no one will even come close to beating Bush in '04 even with the stock market in the crapper because of people pulling there money out of it.
The economy isnt that bad, we ARE NOT in a reccession, we have growth. Some sectors have alot of growth. The problem is alot of people pulled out of the stock market and put their money into real estate because right now real estate is a good investment, but thats probably going to change.
Oh so Bush cant do it, but it was perfectly fine for Slick Willy to do it for 8 years. Sure whatever.
flavio
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I think it's funny that everytime there is a complaint about Bush that people automatically justify what he does by pointing out what another president did. If I get pulled over for speeding I can't just say "well I saw this other guy going fast a little ways back" and get out of it can I? Why is it so hard to just talk about what is currently going on?
And didn't the Republicans berate him for it? Can you say "hypocrites"? Just like Bush selling sleepovers at the White House -- if it was so evil of Clinton why is it OK for Bush?
I'm glad I'm an independent so I can see that both parties are at fault for this, unlike you who seem to think that only "the other guys" are bad but "my guys" are A-OK.
This is like two kids shooting each other with rubber bands in class. Teacher walks in and one kid yells, "He shot me with a rubber band!". "You shot me first!" "No you did!"
And you keep voting for these children?
And you keep voting for these children?
Vote your G-damn conscience for once and stop trying to figure out which vote keeps your job and which may lose it. Pathetic.
Daschle is a pontificating propagandist indeed; however, no more than everyone else.
His histrionics were, imo, quite humorous. I'll give him some kudos for keeping a straight face. I don't know what's worse: listening to Bush, or listening to someone like Daschle.
I'm also perplexed as to whether it's more humorous that all of you subscribe to all this propaganda, or that you feel your subscription warrants your beration of others who differ in their views.
His histrionics were, imo, quite humorous. I'll give him some kudos for keeping a straight face. I don't know what's worse: listening to Bush, or listening to someone like Daschle.
I'm also perplexed as to whether it's more humorous that all of you subscribe to all this propaganda, or that you feel your subscription warrants your beration of others who differ in their views.
Yep. I don't see what democrats are afraid of. If there are legitimate questions about this Iraq adventure, dems should raise them. If in the final analysis they disagree, they should vote that way. Big deal they lose Congress this election. That will set them up better for 2004, since the Republicans will have noone left to blame. Bush will be "economy stupid"ed out of office just like his daddy. All Democrats need to do is have some moderate candidate, prefferably a veteran to scoop it up.
Bush is trying to rush one of the most important debates to happen in the Congress, which will put thousands of lifes, billions of dollars, and geopolitical future of the middle east at stake. Bush just sent them a resolution less than a week ago, and already he is criticizing them for dragging their feet. With a moron like Bush for president, checks and balances have never been more important.
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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
I wonder why this is just now becoming a revelation to some of you. Bush has been on the campaign trail for this upcoming election, raising an unbelievable 115 million for GOP candidiates on tax payer dollars, covering with some photo op and public announcement at every visit to some fund raiser acrossthe nation.
Bush is abosolutely politisizing this war effort against Saddam and Al Quada because of the dismal mess he has made with domestic issues such as the economy.
He is the most embarrasing President I have seen at times. Sometimes he is on que (and then you wonder who his speech writers are), and others he is a loose cannon, shooting from the hip and exposing his utter ignorance of the important issues facing this country.
What a legacy he will have.
Heh. You came off the line with a roar but you have NO traction.
I agree. Daschle is just putting words in Bush's mouth bc the democrats are grasping to bash bush around election time.. The worst part is the media is gonna go crazy over this and its a lie.
I think its funny I gotta listen to people on the news blaming Bush for the economy...
Those people either
A. Never studied economics, because anyone who did knows the economy comes in cycles.
B. Weren't watching the economy take a nose dive at the end of Clintons 2 term or are just plain ignorant.
Those people either
A. Never studied economics, because anyone who did knows the economy comes in cycles.
B. Weren't watching the economy take a nose dive at the end of Clintons 2 term or are just plain ignorant.
I agree as well, but I dont have an issue with the president making campaign stops. I do not even recall it being a an issue during clintons term.
But I guess if he did not make campaign stops and stayed stuck in the whitehouse, there would be some group that complained he was not spending enough time with the people....Or maybe I am just cynical.
Guys, have you even read the article in which Daschle quoted? He quoted the article, NOT THE PRESIDENT! You guys keep saying he put those words in, but he didn't....
Daschle and hte Deomcrats have been bouncing around like ping pong balls based on what the latest polls show.
Bush called the Senate out, and Daschle had no response. Usually when someone says you do or do not something, you refute with examples. All Dashle did was whine liked a F-student who was just called a moron... while the comment hurts... its the freaking TRUTH!!
Bush called the Senate out, and Daschle had no response. Usually when someone says you do or do not something, you refute with examples. All Dashle did was whine liked a F-student who was just called a moron... while the comment hurts... its the freaking TRUTH!!
shiner
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Ok, he didn't put the words in.....happy? Still doesn't change the fact that he keeps repeating them in order to get some political gain out of them. He keeps hoping the story will have legs and give the Dems some sort of advantage. Problem is that most people I know agree with the President in that Congress, especially the Senate, is dragging it's feet on the issue of Homeland Defense. I have heard that opinion put for by both Democrat and Republican.......
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