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Bush is sabre rattling yet again........
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Terrorists hate america because well, it's bettter. Same with Israel.
Look at Israel, it's a little "soar" attached to the Middle East. It is a capitalist country, and it is not under religious law (like saudi arabia etc...). Yet, Israel has a much greater economy, a very good military and a majority of citizens are middle class. This basically pisses them off. Look at highschool, people get pissed off at the popular people and stuff escalates.
Consider it an education on your part.
With posts like these it is no small wonder that 90% of you hard lefties don't know much history.
"Should Bush send his own children to iraq? Pages: 1 2
to prove his own determination?"
Alot of your ilk are actually in that thread saying "OMG yes" like good little lemmings.
Take Conjur for example, he made yet another post today trying to show that Bush was at fault for 9-11 because of the "Able Danger" group. If spent half his time actually getting some sort of education about our government and politics he might have realized that Bush wasn't even in office at the time of that debacle, Clinton was still in.
You aren't that bad yet Tab, but one day World War 1, Korea, The Bay of Pigs, or many other things might come up and if I mention them I'd hope you had at least heard of them rather than call shenanigans and make yourself look silly.
Also, for the record I'm about as moderate as moderate can get.
It is only on P&N that I am considered far right wing, but that is only because Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore would be moderates here.
IvanAndreevich
Lifer
No - terrorists hate America because people like YOU believe that "it's better" and feel it's their obligation to take their superiour firepower and blow away anybody who wants to be "different". Americans care about money (your reference to economy), while many in the middle east care about independence, religion, hapiness. Terrorists hate Americans because they come in there and create a "democratic Iraq" while destabilizing the whole region and killing tens of thousands of civilians in the process.
If muslims came into the USA and established their government and bombed the whole country into ruins, you'd be pissed wouldn't you?
Israel's economy is partly supported with US taxpayer money, so I'd hardly call that capitalist. I would really hope you are kidding with the highschool analogy and the notion that the Middle East hates Israel because it's citizens are well off. You do realize that many Middle Eastern countries are well off as well, given their oil revenue, right?
Im guessing your not American?
We do not go around and destroy countries just for the hell of it... And what the hell are you talking about, "independence, religion, and happiness" meanwhile they rape women if they have a little part of there body exposed, and they through you in jail if you don't do what there religion tells you to do or you have a little word against the government. And no we didn't destabilize the whole area, the only hostile and un-stabilized places are the HOSTILE CITIES AND ZONES. We killed a bunch of civilians because the terrorists used them to cover themselves up, because they knew we wouldn't just fire a mini-gun into a crowd of civilians (I suggest you watch the movie "Black Hawk Down").
CaptnKirk
Lifer
I already have some "toys", nightvision goggles, MARPAT digital camo, official Delta-Force tactical vest. I love airsoft . The reason I know a lot about the military is because well, 50%+ of airsoft players are in the military, so they tell me a lot of things. I already know some military tactics, and have gone through something like bootcamp.
Believe me, were owning in iraq.
Armed Military Conflict - WAR - is not a god damned video game that you can re-play after a bullet smashes through your body shattering bones, ripping out muscle tissue.
You don't get to 're-boot' after a round passes through your skull destroying what little sembalance of a brain that you think you have.
You can't discard a save & replay from before the time where the IED explodes, tearing off your right arm,
leaving you to bleed to death from severed arteries that cannot be fixed long enough for Dustoff to get you to a MASH unit.
It's NOT a game, and the Military doesn't need children like you to put the real Soldiers in jeopardy in explosive situations.
Believe me, were owning in iraq.
Armed Military Conflict - WAR - is not a god damned video game that you can re-play after a bullet smashes through your body shattering bones, ripping out muscle tissue.
You don't get to 're-boot' after a round passes through your skull destroying what little sembalance of a brain that you think you have.
You can't discard a save & replay from before the time where the IED explodes, tearing off your right arm,
leaving you to bleed to death from severed arteries that cannot be fixed long enough for Dustoff to get you to a MASH unit.
It's NOT a game, and the Military doesn't need children like you to put the real Soldiers in jeopardy in explosive situations.
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
This is a joke, right? Please tell me this is a joke.
I don't know any "hard lefties" when it coms to this thread. If you're talking about liberals, general those that are liberal in their views have more education than there conservative counterparts.
The rest of what you said is yet another Strawman, I don't agree with that we should send anyone's sons or daughters to any country to fight.
I never callled "shenanigans" and the only person that can make me look silly is my ex-gay lover Moonbeam.
You're not moderate, you're an right-wing extremist and wicked person to try and justify the deaths of innocent people.
IvanAndreevich
Lifer
No, I am not.
meanwhile they rape women if they have a little part of there body exposed
Where did you see that? You can't generalize like that.
and they through you in jail if you don't do what there religion tells you
Iraq was a constitutional country where religion took a back role (unlike Iran). Now, Iraq is a dicratorship with US puppets at the wheel.
or you have a little word against the government
Apparently, they throw you OUT OF THE COUNTRY if you do the same in UK i.e. you say you support the terrorists and the government is in the wrong. I want to see what happens if I go on the street in Washington and rally in support of the terrorists. I think I'll get stoned or thrown in jail. So much for democracy and freedom of speech
HOSTILE CITIES AND ZONES
And who made them hostile? US invasion
We killed a bunch of civilians because the terrorists used them to cover themselves up
I like how you call tens of thousands of people a bunch. Then all the people who died on 9/11 isn't even a number worth mentioning.
because they knew we wouldn't just fire a mini-gun into a crowd of civilians
Yes, cluster bombs and cruise missiles with "smart bombs" which miss targets are MUCH better. Killing somewhere in the region of 50000 people with a machine gun would take a loooong time
I suggest you watch the movie "Black Hawk Down"
Do you think I am dumb enough to adopt a view of the American Army as Hollywood portrays it? In reality, that helicopter would've gone straight to the aircraft carrier.
ABSOLUTELY RETARDED POST. wHY THE f8CK DONT YOU "PROTECT" US BY GOING AFTER north korea? ...no1) n.kOREA AINT GOT NO OIL 2) nORTH kOREA WILL STICK A NUKE UP bUSH'S HAIRY A@@, 3)bUSH CAN ROLL OVER ANOTHER DEFENSELESS COUNTRY AND TAKE ITS OIL.... HE(bUSH) HAS ALREADY MADE THE COMMITMENT TO EMBROIL US IN AN UNCEASING GUERRILLA WAR THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO WITHDRAW FROM. THIS ACTION WAS PREMEDITAED BY CHENY AND HALLIBURTON YEARS AGO, BUT YOU DONT KNOW THAT.
Completely depends, I hear that claim thrown out there alot which is what strikes me as so very odd......
Liberals claim that corporations are evil and nasty and horde all the money while supporting the Republican party and thus are Republicans. Yet you claim that Republicans are not as well educated as Democrats.
So, can you explain to me how in the ever expansive knowledge base that is the Democratic party; why the Republicans are making all the money?
Let's be honest here, you have the college professors and the teachers neither of which deal with reality on a daily basis and yes I know I'm finishing up my masters now to be a teacher. They are all quirky and generally nuts and have no concept of how the real world actually works.
The concepts that they do understand are "Tenure can't fire me", "Full benefits for working only 7 months out of the year owns", and "freakin Freshman stay out of my parking space."
They are as in touch with the average American about as well as System of a Down is and it is no surprise that they share their political views, as do you.
So in short, you can have your overly intelligent people that don't have the common sense required to tie their own shoes. I'll keep the people which are apparently retards that are somehow smart enough to not raise crack head children and make tons of money 🙂
Umm no, really the only thing I agree with Bush on is his foreign policies; it just so happens that is all you discuss around here.
Just about anything else he does domestically I either don't agree with or don't agree with "why" he did it. I hate the Jesusification of the Oval Office. I hate the religious right. I'm pro-gun control. I'm pro-choice. I have no problem with gay rights. I have no problem with affirmative action in some cases. Heck, I even liked Clinton aside from the scandals. If Clinton version 2.0 came out minus the scandals and adultery with fat Jewish women I'd be on board in a heartbeat.
But, and maybe this is just because I'm not as intelligent as the left wing I suppose, I realize that certain things are unavoidable.
I do realize that everything isn't totally black or white, sometimes people are going to die. I live in the reality that it is trying to avoid conflict that costed us 70,000,000 lives in WW 2. It was trying to avoid conflict that allowed North Korea to get nuclear weapons.
I don't love war, but unlike the "highly intelligent" left I do have the common sense to realize that sometimes you are better off fighting a war now than allowing atrocity after atrocity until war comes to fight you whether you want it or not.
That's a vast generalization, not all liberals claim that corporations are "evil and nasty". Some corporations are "evil and nasty" such as the former Enron. In my opinion a reason why you see so much flak towards corporations is the recent corruption scandels and the Bush Administrations relation to companies such as Haliburton.
Not all liberals are apart of the democratic party, and some of us have a problem with being too honest. Not to mention, the republican party has a social construct called "Christianity" on their side, something that liberals don't. Remeamber, I said liberals "generally" have a higher education than there "conservative" counter-parts.
So, you're saying that college professors and teachers don't deal with reality on a daliy basis? You're also finishing up your masters to be a teacher? All of these people are quirky and generally nuts? They don't have a concept of how the real world works?
- Doesn't deal with reality on a daily basis
quirky and generally nuts
No concept of the real world
It seems you've descirbed yourself...
I discuss a lot more than just Bush's absurb F.P, I've discussed things such as gay marriage and abortion more often than i'd like. I wish someone would bring up the topic of the death penatly as I don't do a very good job of defending my POV when it comes to that subject.
The ONLY thing Clinton was gulity of was lying about the Monica ordeal, he was found innocent of all of the other charges. Personally, I think it's sad the republicans had to sink even lower than Clinton did.
It was due to our unwillingness to debate with the Russians that left us North and South Korea. Not to mention it seems our willingness to debate with Korea hasn't changed much at all.
That pre-emptive war jargon is absolute crap. Do you put a man in jail because you THINK he MIGHT commit a crime? No, you don't. The fact is there weren't any weapons of mass destruction, there were no links to AQ and the Bush/Blair Administration has created a atmosphere of fear from 9/11 and manipulated pre-war intelligance for their own purposes.
Proletariat
Diamond Member
Um I'm curious why you wouldn't trust India with a pointy stick? They have a democratically elected government with checks and balances and have not attacked a nation in their 50 year history. Not only that, but their media is fearless and impeccable.
People, when you go abroad, don't lump countries like India and Israel with Middle Eastern or Despotic East Asian countries - it just makes you look dumb.
Have you bothered to read the other threads in this forum? The other liberals who want a shelf life on some coporations and whatnot? They aren't referring to Enron in those threads, they are referring to coporations in general.
Democrats have pretty much every single union in the United States which means a ton of cash. Democrats lose because they run people that aren't electable and allow nuts like moveon.org be the mouthpiece of their party front and center.
You don't know me 🙂
Pardoned felons, lied about the Monica Lewinsky ordeal, whitewater, bombed a country the day Monica took the stand, bombed a country the day he took the stand.
Let's be honest here, he was pretty sleazy. Aside from the sleaze I like most of what he did, but that doesn't mean he wasn't sleazy. You're blinders are on pretty damn thick if you can't admit that.
Actually it was mainly Jimmy Carter. He never really got the memo that he wasn't President anymore so he went and brokered a deal with Kim Jong Il to stop trying to make nukes if we supply them with money, aid, and nuclear power plants.
We followed through on most of it but they built the nukes anyways. Clinton was prepared to invade as he probably should have done, but now North Korea who is the largest ballistic missile exporter in the world, has nuclear weapons.
Link
Hey you brought up this analogy... Allow me to shoot another of your idiotic anologies down:
Invading Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in 1991 is the equivalent of a felony.
This felony got them sentenced to a beating from the coalition in 1991 as well as sanctions and UN resolutions levied against them.
The Oil For Food program put them on probation. They were able to trade but only for certain things and they had to obey the other UN resolutions.
They broke this probation by designing and manufacturing Al Samhoud II missiles, retaining Scud missiles, kicking out UN inspectors, and firing at US and English planes patroling the no fly zones.
That landed them back in the slammer with a stiffer sentence for being a repeat offender.
🙂
Stick to the rhetoric based on a history you don't know much about. The analogies just aren't your strong suit.
No, he was answering a question. How should he respond when someone asks if military action is out of the question? He should respond exactly how he did, that it's always an option, and always the last option.
Oh, and no I haven't recieved a darwinism award. You'd get one way before I'd get one...
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