Bush is accused of undermining the UN

[raildogg]

Bush 'Undermining UN with Aid Coalition'

By Jamie Lyons, PA Political Correspondent

United States President George Bush was tonight accused of trying to undermine the United Nations by setting up a rival coalition to coordinate relief following the Asian tsunami disaster.

The president has announced that the US, Japan, India and Australia would coordinate the world?s response.

But former International Development Secretary Clare Short said that role should be left to the UN.

?I think this initiative from America to set up four countries claiming to coordinate sounds like yet another attempt to undermine the UN when it is the best system we have got and the one that needs building up,? she said.

?Only really the UN can do that job,? she told BBC Radio Four?s PM programme.

?It is the only body that has the moral authority. But it can only do it well if it is backed up by the authority of the great powers.?

Ms Short said the coalition countries did not have good records on responding to international disasters.

She said the US was ?very bad at coordinating with anyone? and India had its own problems to deal with.

?I don?t know what that is about but it sounds very much, I am afraid, like the US trying to have a separate operation and not work with the rest of the world through the UN system,? she added.

always whining

I dont know why the UN babies are crying, I thought we are supposed to help the many people in these countries in any way possible. Anything Bush does is criticized by the UN. bunch of babies

 

[Engineer]

The UN has nothing to worry about if this coalition is anything like the last one....

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Engineer
The UN has nothing to worry about if this coalition is anything like the last one....

are we playing politics again?? this is a massive disaster and you people are looking for every way possible to bring down Bush, even when does something noble

 

[Steeplerot]

noble and that sleazebag don't belong in the same sentence......wtf?
Noble King George II, bwahahaha
Hopefully the UN tells him to take a hike again.
The only crybabies here are the neocons crying that they can't fvckup anymore wars with the UN as their b1tch and fallguy.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer
The UN has nothing to worry about if this coalition is anything like the last one....

are we playing politics again?? this is a massive disaster and you people are looking for every way possible to bring down Bush, even when does something noble

You're the one that brought this up.

As for being noble, he had to be brought kicking and screaming to give any aid. God forbid we interrupt his 10000th vacation with the silly little thought of helping 100k+ innocent people.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer
The UN has nothing to worry about if this coalition is anything like the last one....

are we playing politics again?? this is a massive disaster and you people are looking for every way possible to bring down Bush, even when does something noble

You're the one that brought this up.

As for being noble, he had to be brought kicking and screaming to give any aid. God forbid we interrupt his 10000th vacation with the silly little thought of helping 100k+ innocent people.

at first he was accused of not giving enough, now that he finally does something substantial, you people are still complaining and whining. just admit it, anything Bush does is not enough

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer
The UN has nothing to worry about if this coalition is anything like the last one....

are we playing politics again?? this is a massive disaster and you people are looking for every way possible to bring down Bush, even when does something noble

You're the one that brought this up.

As for being noble, he had to be brought kicking and screaming to give any aid. God forbid we interrupt his 10000th vacation with the silly little thought of helping 100k+ innocent people.

at first he was accused of not giving enough, now that he finally does something substantial, you people are still complaining and whining. just admit it, anything Bush does is not enough

Dude, he waited how long to even give a sh*t? Then he gives a paultry $15million with a $20million line of credit? W...T...F?

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer
The UN has nothing to worry about if this coalition is anything like the last one....

are we playing politics again?? this is a massive disaster and you people are looking for every way possible to bring down Bush, even when does something noble

You're the one that brought this up.

As for being noble, he had to be brought kicking and screaming to give any aid. God forbid we interrupt his 10000th vacation with the silly little thought of helping 100k+ innocent people.

at first he was accused of not giving enough, now that he finally does something substantial, you people are still complaining and whining. just admit it, anything Bush does is not enough

Dude, he waited how long to even give a sh*t? Then he gives a paultry $15million with a $20million line of credit? W...T...F?

Colin Powell said $30 is just the start of aid we're going to give. Tens of millions are being raised all over America each day for this effort, just among citizens and corporations.

Surely you can trust a great man like Powell, cant you?

They pledged aid a day after the disaster and your telling me he waited too long?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: raildogg
just admit it, anything Bush does is not enough

They won't😉 It's nothing more than a goal-post moving excercise anytime something happens or gets done.

CsG

 

[spidey07]

Unfortunately I see this as the current trend with the UN.

We are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Reference the other thread about UN relief rep calling out "rich western countries"

 

[CaptnKirk]

Bush the Lessor waited for 3 days - until there was enough of an embarrasment to the US
that he had to interupt his precious vacation to offer a donation that totaled about 1/3 of
the monetary value that his inaguration will cost.

Over a dozen countries were devastated, the death toll has passed 117K the last report I saw,
and there will be additional deaths due to a lack of prompt assistance.

Wonder how many of these poor countries will be asked to sign a 'Bush Loyalty Oath'
as a pre-requirement of getting additional aid.

Are we stingy ? - YES !
Washington Post Editorial

<CLIP>

Resident Bush finally roused himself yesterday from his vacation in Crawford, Tex., to telephone his sympathy to the leaders of India, Sri Lanka, Thailand and Indonesia, and to speak publicly about the devastation of Sunday's tsunamis in Asia. He also hurried to put as much distance as possible between himself and America's initial measly aid offer of $15 million, and he took issue with an earlier statement by the United Nations' emergency relief coordinator, Jan Egeland, who had called the overall aid efforts by rich Western nations "stingy." "The person who made that statement was very misguided and ill informed," the president said.

We beg to differ. Mr. Egeland was right on target. We hope Secretary of State Colin Powell was privately embarrassed when, two days into a catastrophic disaster that hit 12 of the world's poorer countries and will cost billions of dollars to meliorate, he held a press conference to say that America, the world's richest nation, would contribute $15 million. That's less than half of what Republicans plan to spend on the Bush inaugural festivities.

The American aid figure for the current disaster is now $35 million, and we applaud Mr. Bush's turnaround. But $35 million remains a miserly drop in the bucket, and is in keeping with the pitiful amount of the United States budget that we allocate for nonmilitary foreign aid. According to a poll, most Americans believe the United States spends 24 percent of its budget on aid to poor countries; it actually spends well under a quarter of 1 percent.

Bush administration officials help create that perception gap. Fuming at the charge of stinginess, Mr. Powell pointed to disaster relief and said the United States "has given more aid in the last four years than any other nation or combination of nations in the world." But for development aid, America gave $16.2 billion in 2003; the European Union gave $37.1 billion. In 2002, those numbers were $13.2 billion for America, and $29.9 billion for Europe.

Making things worse, we often pledge more money than we actually deliver. Victims of the earthquake in Bam, Iran, a year ago are still living in tents because aid, including ours, has not materialized in the amounts pledged. And back in 2002, Mr. Bush announced his Millennium Challenge account to give African countries development assistance of up to $5 billion a year, but the account has yet to disburse a single dollar.

Mr. Bush said yesterday that the $35 million we've now pledged "is only the beginning" of the United States' recovery effort. Let's hope that is true, and that this time, our actions will match our promises.

 

[Steeplerot]

too bad nothing is actually getting done but bush's vacation.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
too bad nothing is actually getting done but bush's vacation.

you have some of the most worthless posts EVAR 😉

 

[NetGuySC]

Maybe we could multiply by 1000, the amount of aid that we received from the world during the last 20 years to help us after our numerous hurricanes/earthqakes etc. and then send that amount as our share of aid for these recent disasters.

 

[charrison]

Are all the aid agencies in the US also undermining the UN?

 

[ECUHITMAN]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Engineer
The UN has nothing to worry about if this coalition is anything like the last one....

are we playing politics again?? this is a massive disaster and you people are looking for every way possible to bring down Bush, even when does something noble

You're the one that brought this up.

As for being noble, he had to be brought kicking and screaming to give any aid. God forbid we interrupt his 10000th vacation with the silly little thought of helping 100k+ innocent people.

at first he was accused of not giving enough, now that he finally does something substantial, you people are still complaining and whining. just admit it, anything Bush does is not enough

Dude, he waited how long to even give a sh*t? Then he gives a paultry $15million with a $20million line of credit? W...T...F?

Colin Powell said $30 is just the start of aid we're going to give. Tens of millions are being raised all over America each day for this effort, just among citizens and corporations.

Surely you can trust a great man like Powell, cant you?

They pledged aid a day after the disaster and your telling me he waited too long?

First Powell said the US would only give 15 Million, and then bush pushed it up to 35 Million after we were called stingy. WE ARE STINGY!!! Honestly do you think the administration really cares what happens to the people over there? We only do things that are in our best interests. Maybe if we give them 35 Million bush can say yet another country is joining the "coalition of the willing" in Iraq. And these right wingers call themselves religious. And NO we cant trust a man like Powell after his speach on the hill showing the WMD's in iraq. Bad intel or not he should have known better.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
too bad nothing is actually getting done but bush's vacation.

you have some of the most worthless posts EVAR 😉

Yeah Bush is sure hopping up to help.
Like he has ever...lets hear what he is going to do and how concerned he is from the jackasses mouth himself....*chirps* oh yeah, he's on vacation again. :roll:

 

[sandorski]

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this "Coalition" is meant to undermine the UN or at least to gain some brownie points in the UN vs US publicity campaign started by the Bush Admin. From the outset the Bush Admin has been gunning to replace the UN with Itself as the Single Global entity. The UN is a thorn in the side of a US that increasingly wants to act with Impunity in World Affairs.

What also doesn't surprise me is that someone who openly supports such an Unfetterred US Foreign Policy started this thread in a feeble attempt to bash the very Organization that keeps the US in check.

Why is the Bush Admin trying to re-invent the Wheel? The UN has decades of experience in delivering and coordinating Aid on a massive scale. They know the Ins and Outs, the Do's and Don't Do's. Creating a Coalition on the fly will lead to Rookie errors and Cost Inefficiencies. Hasn't Iraq taught them anything?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: sandorski
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this "Coalition" is meant to undermine the UN or at least to gain some brownie points in the UN vs US publicity campaign started by the Bush Admin. From the outset the Bush Admin has been gunning to replace the UN with Itself as the Single Global entity. The UN is a thorn in the side of a US that increasingly wants to act with Impunity in World Affairs.

What also doesn't surprise me is that someone who openly supports such an Unfetterred US Foreign Policy started this thread in a feeble attempt to bash the very Organization that keeps the US in check.

Why is the Bush Admin trying to re-invent the Wheel? The UN has decades of experience in delivering and coordinating Aid on a massive scale. They know the Ins and Outs, the Do's and Don't Do's. Creating a Coalition on the fly will lead to Rookie errors and Cost Inefficiencies. Hasn't Iraq taught them anything?

Do you honsetly think that undermining the UN is Bush's idea? And that this hinderance is something new? Please tell me you don't think that is true.

UNs problems started long before bush was prez. Its like the old addage is proved time and time again - want something done right do it yourself.

 

[The Stigenator]

i wonder if India is part of the coalition.. i think bush pulled some country names out of the hat and called it a coaltion.

India is too busy helping itself and 2 other countries to be in a coaltion. Japan is busy doing its stuff..

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: sandorski
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this "Coalition" is meant to undermine the UN or at least to gain some brownie points in the UN vs US publicity campaign started by the Bush Admin. From the outset the Bush Admin has been gunning to replace the UN with Itself as the Single Global entity. The UN is a thorn in the side of a US that increasingly wants to act with Impunity in World Affairs.

What also doesn't surprise me is that someone who openly supports such an Unfetterred US Foreign Policy started this thread in a feeble attempt to bash the very Organization that keeps the US in check.

Why is the Bush Admin trying to re-invent the Wheel? The UN has decades of experience in delivering and coordinating Aid on a massive scale. They know the Ins and Outs, the Do's and Don't Do's. Creating a Coalition on the fly will lead to Rookie errors and Cost Inefficiencies. Hasn't Iraq taught them anything?

The United Nations is corrupt to the core. It needs to be reformed dramatically. Until then, the United States should be the care-taker of that wobbbling institution.


Oh, I'm sorry...we've been doing that for the past 50 years.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this "Coalition" is meant to undermine the UN or at least to gain some brownie points in the UN vs US publicity campaign started by the Bush Admin. From the outset the Bush Admin has been gunning to replace the UN with Itself as the Single Global entity. The UN is a thorn in the side of a US that increasingly wants to act with Impunity in World Affairs.

What also doesn't surprise me is that someone who openly supports such an Unfetterred US Foreign Policy started this thread in a feeble attempt to bash the very Organization that keeps the US in check.

Why is the Bush Admin trying to re-invent the Wheel? The UN has decades of experience in delivering and coordinating Aid on a massive scale. They know the Ins and Outs, the Do's and Don't Do's. Creating a Coalition on the fly will lead to Rookie errors and Cost Inefficiencies. Hasn't Iraq taught them anything?

Do you honsetly think that undermining the UN is Bush's idea? And that this hinderance is something new? Please tell me you don't think that is true.

UNs problems started long before bush was prez. Its like the old addage is proved time and time again - want something done right do it yourself.

I highly doubt it's his Idea, in fact the Idea has been around for a long time. I do, however, believe that's what he wants. If you can't see that, well, what would lead you to believe otherwise?

 

[AnImuS]

screw the UN.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: sandorski
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this "Coalition" is meant to undermine the UN or at least to gain some brownie points in the UN vs US publicity campaign started by the Bush Admin. From the outset the Bush Admin has been gunning to replace the UN with Itself as the Single Global entity. The UN is a thorn in the side of a US that increasingly wants to act with Impunity in World Affairs.

What also doesn't surprise me is that someone who openly supports such an Unfetterred US Foreign Policy started this thread in a feeble attempt to bash the very Organization that keeps the US in check.

Why is the Bush Admin trying to re-invent the Wheel? The UN has decades of experience in delivering and coordinating Aid on a massive scale. They know the Ins and Outs, the Do's and Don't Do's. Creating a Coalition on the fly will lead to Rookie errors and Cost Inefficiencies. Hasn't Iraq taught them anything?

The United Nations is corrupt to the core. It needs to be reformed dramatically. Until then, the United States should be the care-taker of that wobbbling institution.


Oh, I'm sorry...we've been doing that for the past 50 years.

Corruption has its' tentacles spread everywhere. Before letting something falter and die due to Corruption, make very sure that its' replacement isn't even more Corrupt.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: sandorski
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this "Coalition" is meant to undermine the UN or at least to gain some brownie points in the UN vs US publicity campaign started by the Bush Admin. From the outset the Bush Admin has been gunning to replace the UN with Itself as the Single Global entity. The UN is a thorn in the side of a US that increasingly wants to act with Impunity in World Affairs.

What also doesn't surprise me is that someone who openly supports such an Unfetterred US Foreign Policy started this thread in a feeble attempt to bash the very Organization that keeps the US in check.

Why is the Bush Admin trying to re-invent the Wheel? The UN has decades of experience in delivering and coordinating Aid on a massive scale. They know the Ins and Outs, the Do's and Don't Do's. Creating a Coalition on the fly will lead to Rookie errors and Cost Inefficiencies. Hasn't Iraq taught them anything?

The United Nations is corrupt to the core. It needs to be reformed dramatically. Until then, the United States should be the care-taker of that wobbbling institution.


Oh, I'm sorry...we've been doing that for the past 50 years.

Corruption has its' tentacles spread everywhere. Before letting something falter and die due to Corruption, make very sure that its' replacement isn't even more Corrupt.

While everything is relative, I can assure you that an un-elected body of diplomats, the very Tower of Babble itself, is far more corrupt than the elected government of the United States of America. Accountability is key.