Bush in big trouble...Cue the Distraction! Stat!

conjur

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UPDATE 04/05/06:

ACLU accuse federal prosecutors of ethnic bias in meth sting
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/ACLU_...ederal_prosecutors_of_ethnic_0405.html


http://www.knoe.com/fullstory.php?id=1253
TV 8 News has learned FBI agents and local law enforcement authorities are conducting a raid of service stations and businesses owned by Middle Easterners in Northeast Louisiana. Agents executed search warrants today at 10 businesses in Tallulah, Delhi, Lake Providence, Monroe and Ruston. The FBI says the raids are part of "an ongoing criminal investigation." Police sources tell TV 8 News the raids target possible money laundering and counterfeiting in connection with suspected domestic terrorist activity. The U.S. Department of Homeland Security is said to be taking part in the investigation. TV 8 News will have details at 5, 6, and 10.

How Rovian.

I'm sure ol' McCLIEllan will fall back to his usual "I cannot comment on an 'ongoing investigation'" line.
 

ntdz

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Uh huh...if Bush does nothing then he's not fighting terrorism, if he does then it's just a distraction...
 

CaptnKirk

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Once they find out that they are run by people from the UAE for the Shieks, they'll cut them loose.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Uh huh...if Bush does nothing then he's not fighting terrorism, if he does then it's just a distraction...
In the 4+ years since 9/11, how many "terrorists" have been brought to trial? 1? 2 maybe?
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.knoe.com/fullstory.php?id=1253
TV 8 News has learned FBI agents and local law enforcement authorities are conducting a raid of service stations and businesses owned by Middle Easterners in Northeast Louisiana. Agents executed search warrants today at 10 businesses in Tallulah, Delhi, Lake Providence, Monroe and Ruston. The FBI says the raids are part of "an ongoing criminal investigation." Police sources tell TV 8 News the raids target possible money laundering and counterfeiting in connection with suspected domestic terrorist activity. The U.S. Department of Homeland Security is said to be taking part in the investigation. TV 8 News will have details at 5, 6, and 10.

How Rovian.

I'm sure ol' McCLIEllan will fall back to his usual "I cannot comment on an 'ongoing investigation'" line.

? This looks kinda normal to me?

Reminds me of a case in my state (NC), it invovled cigarettes etc. They were sending the money back to the ME, presumabley funding terror organizations.

Are you saying this is a trumped up story to take the focus off the Ports issue? Well, we'll just have to wait and see.
 

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ntdz
Uh huh...if Bush does nothing then he's not fighting terrorism, if he does then it's just a distraction...
In the 4+ years since 9/11, how many "terrorists" have been brought to trial? 1? 2 maybe?

How long does it take to develop an airtight case.
Standard court cases take 1-2 years to get through the system even without the prelims.

There are a multitude of lawyers out there that would love the publicity of taking on the Us and winning due to a technicality.

 

thraashman

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ntdz
Uh huh...if Bush does nothing then he's not fighting terrorism, if he does then it's just a distraction...
In the 4+ years since 9/11, how many "terrorists" have been brought to trial? 1? 2 maybe?

Trials? What are those? Are they those things we decided to violate the constitution and stop giving to "terrorists"?

I don't condone violence in any way, form, or fashion. But I will hold a parade the day Bush passes away, be it by natural causes, old age, or otherwise. I'll just be happy he's gone and can trouble this world no more. Yeah I know it's OT, but I needed to vent.
 

maluckey

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Apparently nobody ncared to notice that terror is also funded through drug sales; Pseudoephedrine being the key component to Methamphetamine, is sold in convenience stores.

Arkansas used to be Meth Capital of the Free World, but strict legislation in Arkansas has shifted the sales of the Listed Chemical Pseudoephedrine to other more accessible locations......Now the same sale patterns patterns show in another location and BINGO!!! We have a winner!!! To cover the tracks, these convenience stores often lose money (on paper) and set up structured accounts to move the money through. It is also typical that the suspects own used car lots as well as convenience stores. Used car lots are excellent ways to hide drug profits.



 

Looney

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ntdz
Uh huh...if Bush does nothing then he's not fighting terrorism, if he does then it's just a distraction...
In the 4+ years since 9/11, how many "terrorists" have been brought to trial? 1? 2 maybe?

How long does it take to develop an airtight case.
Standard court cases take 1-2 years to get through the system even without the prelims.

There are a multitude of lawyers out there that would love the publicity of taking on the Us and winning due to a technicality.

I'm sure it doesn't help that most of these guys are sent to Gitmo and held there as 'enemy combatants' without any trial.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: maluckey
Apparently nobody ncared to notice that terror is also funded through drug sales; Pseudoephedrine being the key component to Methamphetamine, is sold in convenience stores.

Arkansas used to be Meth Capital of the Free World, but strict legislation in Arkansas has shifted the sales of the Listed Chemical Pseudoephedrine to other more accessible locations......Now the same sale patterns patterns show in another location and BINGO!!! We have a winner!!! To cover the tracks, these convenience stores often lose money (on paper) and set up structured accounts to move the money through. It is also typical that the suspects own used car lots as well as convenience stores. Used car lots are excellent ways to hide drug profits.
Wow...I hope you have a parachute for times when you make amazing leaps like that.

Convenience stores and pseudoephedrine, eh? Just how many boxes does a typical 7/11 stock vs. an Albertson's or a CVS?

Goddamn, your post has to be up there for amazing feats of (il)logic leaps of all time.
 

maluckey

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Funny thing is....maybe you remember when I mentioned that in my former career I was a Federal Officer? I used to serve warrants and shut down convenience stores nationwide for Pseudoepedrine trafficking. One thousand to Fourteen hundren dollars a case for Pseudo was the going rate in Arkansas in 2000. Street price for Meth was about 1000 dollars a once for 80-85 percent pure. Do the math, and your homework genious.

Look up structured accounts, Meth manufacturing in Arkansas and used car lots and then laugh away.
 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: maluckey
Funny thing is....maybe you remember when I mentioned that in my former career I was a Federal Officer? I used to serve warrants and shut down convenience stores nationwide for Pseudoepedrine trafficking. One thousand to Fourteen hundren dollars a case for Pseudo was the going rate in Arkansas in 2000. Street price for Meth was about 1000 dollars a once for 80-85 percent pure. Do the math, and your homework genious.

Look up structured accounts, Meth manufacturing in Arkansas and used car lots and then laugh away.

lol...nice
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: maluckey
Funny thing is....maybe you remember when I mentioned that in my former career I was a Federal Officer? I used to serve warrants and shut down convenience stores nationwide for Pseudoepedrine trafficking. One thousand to Fourteen hundren dollars a case for Pseudo was the going rate in Arkansas in 2000. Street price for Meth was about 1000 dollars a once for 80-85 percent pure. Do the math, and your homework genious.

Look up structured accounts, Meth manufacturing in Arkansas and used car lots and then laugh away.

Your search - "structured accounts" arkansas meth - did not match any documents.


 

spunkz

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Originally posted by: maluckey
Funny thing is....maybe you remember when I mentioned that in my former career I was a Federal Officer? I used to serve warrants and shut down convenience stores nationwide for Pseudoepedrine trafficking. One thousand to Fourteen hundren dollars a case for Pseudo was the going rate in Arkansas in 2000. Street price for Meth was about 1000 dollars a once for 80-85 percent pure. Do the math, and your homework genious.

Look up structured accounts, Meth manufacturing in Arkansas and used car lots and then laugh away.

doesn't matter what you say, even if you have firsthand knowledge. conjur will dismiss you since you're not one of his "approved" sources. last time i tried to argue with him, he dismissed my sources, instead relying on top-quality info from the Iraqi government under Saddam.
 

conjur

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Arkansas Drug Threat Assessment
http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs6/6184/6184p.pdf
Methamphetamine produced by Mexican
criminal groups in Mexico, California, and southwestern states is widely available in
Arkansas. Methamphetamine produced in the state, generally by Caucasian local independent
producers, also is available. Mexican criminal groups are the primary transporters
and wholesale distributors of methamphetamine produced in Mexico, California, and
southwestern states. Local independent producers control the transportation and distribution
of the methamphetamine they produce within the state. Mexican criminal groups,
Caucasian local independent dealers, street gangs, and outlaw motorcycle gangs distribute
methamphetamine at the retail level throughout Arkansas.
 

shrumpage

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Originally posted by: spunkz
Originally posted by: maluckey
Funny thing is....maybe you remember when I mentioned that in my former career I was a Federal Officer? I used to serve warrants and shut down convenience stores nationwide for Pseudoepedrine trafficking. One thousand to Fourteen hundren dollars a case for Pseudo was the going rate in Arkansas in 2000. Street price for Meth was about 1000 dollars a once for 80-85 percent pure. Do the math, and your homework genious.

Look up structured accounts, Meth manufacturing in Arkansas and used car lots and then laugh away.

doesn't matter what you say, even if you have firsthand knowledge. conjur will dismiss you since you're not one of his "approved" sources. last time i tried to argue with him, he dismissed my sources, instead relying on top-quality info from the Iraqi government under Saddam.


did he call you a troll out right, or did he wait a post or too?
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ntdz
Uh huh...if Bush does nothing then he's not fighting terrorism, if he does then it's just a distraction...
In the 4+ years since 9/11, how many "terrorists" have been brought to trial? 1? 2 maybe?

How many thousands have we killed?
 

maluckey

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And the profits from drug sales go to who? Who supplies the Pseuoepedrine to the distributors?

It matters not who controls the flow, but what DOES matter is that the eventual profits go to organized trafficking, distribution and resale networking. They ALL need a way to launder the earned money. Structured Accounts only go so far. You need a way to at least appear to be legit. Once you move from simple street level sales to intermediate level, you are a distributor/manufacturer. Once you graduate from there, you are a middleman, and move to the supply of the chemicals used for manufacture. The easiest way to do this is to either buy or run a small distributorship, or a gas station. Once you make enough money, you move to Laundering and investing. At this level, you have a decent amount of coverage from the lower levels. A used car dealership and General Contracting/Homebuilding and real-eastate, mixed with used car autions and resataurants/night clubs is a typical way to cover cover. Businesses clean the money without the need to subcontract out your "sales profits". Once you are all "in-house" your profits go up a couple hundred percent while at the same time reducing your liabilities.

As quoted from DEA

In less than ten years, methamphetamine has grown from a problem limited to the Southwest and Pacific regions of the United States to Arkansas? primary drug of concern. The state is encountering locally produced methamphetamine as well as the importation of methamphetamine produced in Mexico. Not only does the state?s rural landscape provide an ideal setting for illicit manufacturing, but the wide availability of precursor chemicals also contributes to the ease of manufacturing methamphetamine. Criminal groups are acquiring thousands of cases of pseudoephedrine via wholesalers and use sophisticated schemes to illegally ship, at a considerable profit, pseudoephedrine to methamphetamine producers.

Of course outside of the Internet, you have little knowledge of anything it would appear Conjur. You really should get out more from behind your monitor.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: ntdz
Uh huh...if Bush does nothing then he's not fighting terrorism, if he does then it's just a distraction...
In the 4+ years since 9/11, how many "terrorists" have been brought to trial? 1? 2 maybe?
How many thousands have we killed?
In the US (which is what we're talking about): ZERO, eh?

And look at maluckey with the expected ad hominems. Typical.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: maluckey
Read a little

See the patern??

Let's look a bit into this situation (Georgia, not Arkansas)

http://www.thurbertbaker.com/82505.htm
Paid informants told the convenience store clerks that they were planning to make methamphetamine, a highly addictive drug, as they bought camping fuel, antifreeze and pseudoephedrine-containing cold medicine.

Federal authorities say the workers knew what they were doing when the sold the materials. Some had even set up sections of their stores, authorities said, that brought together tin foil, cold medicines and other products used in the manufacture of methamphetamine.

But leaders of the convenience store association say cultural and language barriers played a role in many cases. Some workers didn't understand when the informants used terms such as "doing a cook" to describe the manufacture of methamphetamine, Patel said.

Patel made the point as he sat next to fellow association member Praful Patel at his gas station in Decatur. "When Praful hears you talk about 'cooking'," he said, "he's going to think you're talking about a barbecue."

Sometimes even when language isn't a problem, cultural differences are, said attorney Steve Sadow, who represents seven of the North Georgia defendants.

Questioning a customer's motivations is a foreign concept in India, he said. "That would be inappropriate or rude," he said. Sadow said he knows of one instance where a customer asked for $100 worth of cold medicine.


The clerk, seeing the customer was after a bulk purchase, said he could get a better price by buying $500 worth. "It's looked at as a simple business decision," Sadow said.

Patel said that doesn't relieve Indian-American convenience store owners of their responsibility to follow the law here, of course. And that's where the association can help, he said.

Some of the planned seminars will focus on recent changes in regulations, such as the anti-meth measure that went into effect in July.

It bars Georgia retailers from selling more than three packages of products containing pseudoephedrine in one sale and requires them to keep the medicine behind the counter.

The association also wants to meet with local police officials to identify stores that are often victims of hold-ups and other crimes.

So, Indian and Indian-American store owners (not Middle Easterners) with a language comprehension problem and cultural differences lead to an abuse of the purchase of pseudoephedrine.


That's terrorism?


Give me a fvcking break.