Bush- Immigration: Largest sting OP?

[peonyu]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Bush can propose changes.
Congress has to approve those changes. That takes time (1 Yr or more unless critical).

Nothing will happen within the next 10 months other than talking.


THINK !!!

Congress will not have to pander for the bribe votes.

Dead Issue.

As a side note, would that be classified as racial discrimination, if only the Hispanic/Mexicans were granted protection.
What about any Canadians, Asians and others.

Canadians and Asians arent flooding our borders like Mexicans are, so they are not a issue worth discussing.
Btw, Cubans already have this protection in Florida, where if they even touch land they 'become' american. Though I know for a fact though that if Mexicans are given the same it will be a completely different scenario [the border will be over run] since we share such a large land border as opposed to a shark infested ocean.

 

[stephbu]

Hoards of immigrants repressing the constitutional rights of natives?

Shame there wasn't the same uproar in 1620 - perhaps some US citizens have forgotten *their* immigrant roots?

 

[peonyu]

^^^ Illegal immigrant isnt the same as Legal immigrant.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: maluckey
johnjosh: Border patrol has been armed for a long, long, long time. If this so-called "news" show stated they aren't, then they are very, very off. Furthermore, I left INS in 2000, and we were already armed before I entered service in 1995. FWIW, I was even armed when I worked my airport rotations. Don't always believe what you hear in the news about law enforcement or the military, as the press rarely has a clue.

The press/media has the perception that armed entails the actual carrying of an automatic rifle. Creates a nice visual impact. Having a sidearm or rifle in the vehicle does not generate as much as an impact (within the media isgust

/clarify last sentence to generate intended sarcasm

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The press/media has the perception that armed entails the actual carrying of an automatic rifle.

Bingo. Technically, any officer carrying a nightstick is 'armed' as a nightstick is a weapon. Of course, nightsticks aren't newsworthy.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Most of these people are law abiding.

Ironic, isn't it?

No, not at all.

Someone wants a better life for themselves and their family and they're willing to work hard for little money to do it? I don't see the irony in it - people don't come here to get 1/2 the money or less a citizen might get while being treated like sh!t because they are lowlifes who are only interested in crime.

I find more irony in people who have all of the opportunities in the world and throw them all away for a life of crime and/or drugs.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Gaard
Most of these people are law abiding.

Ironic, isn't it?

No, not at all.

Someone wants a better life for themselves and their family and they're willing to work hard for little money to do it? I don't see the irony in it - people don't come here to get 1/2 the money or less a citizen might get while being treated like sh!t because they are lowlifes who are only interested in crime.

I find more irony in people who have all of the opportunities in the world and throw them all away for a life of crime and/or drugs.

I think you missed it

ILLEGAL immigrants = most of these people are law abiding


CkG

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Gaard
Most of these people are law abiding.

Ironic, isn't it?

No, not at all.

Someone wants a better life for themselves and their family and they're willing to work hard for little money to do it? I don't see the irony in it - people don't come here to get 1/2 the money or less a citizen might get while being treated like sh!t because they are lowlifes who are only interested in crime.

I find more irony in people who have all of the opportunities in the world and throw them all away for a life of crime and/or drugs.

I think you missed it


ILLEGAL immigrants = most of these people are law abiding


CkG

I didn't miss anything. I just don't get an erection categorizing a group of people as criminals because they break a law that american employers, ie american citizens, are encouraging them to do. Anybody else would do the same if they lived in a dump that had no indoor plumbing or water that was safe to drink, and was responsible for feeding a family even tho there are no opportunities to make money to do so. If they stayed where they are, they probably would have to resort to a life of crime just to make it.

While at the same time employers are looking aggressively to hire illegals so they can pay them less and keep it off the books - giving them no benefits as well. There's no comparison in my book as to who are the real scumbags.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Gaard
Most of these people are law abiding.

Ironic, isn't it?

No, not at all.

Someone wants a better life for themselves and their family and they're willing to work hard for little money to do it? I don't see the irony in it - people don't come here to get 1/2 the money or less a citizen might get while being treated like sh!t because they are lowlifes who are only interested in crime.

I find more irony in people who have all of the opportunities in the world and throw them all away for a life of crime and/or drugs.

I think you missed it


ILLEGAL immigrants = most of these people are law abiding


CkG

I didn't miss anything. I just don't get an erection categorizing a group of people as criminals because they break a law that american employers, ie american citizens, are encouraging them to do. Anybody else would do the same if they lived in a dump that had no indoor plumbing or water that was safe to drink, and was responsible for feeding a family even tho there are no opportunities to make money to do so. If they stayed where they are, they probably would have to resort to a life of crime just to make it.

While at the same time employers are looking aggressively to hire illegals so they can pay them less and keep it off the books - giving them no benefits as well. There's no comparison in my book as to who are the real scumbags.

Yeah, that's right - blame everybody but the person who willingly crosses the border ILLEGALLY. They broke the law - period. WHY they did it doesn't make a difference as to wether they broke the law or not.
The statement is funny because they DID infact not abide by the law...yet someone tried to say they were law abiding

CkG

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Gaard
Most of these people are law abiding.

Ironic, isn't it?

No, not at all.

Someone wants a better life for themselves and their family and they're willing to work hard for little money to do it? I don't see the irony in it - people don't come here to get 1/2 the money or less a citizen might get while being treated like sh!t because they are lowlifes who are only interested in crime.

I find more irony in people who have all of the opportunities in the world and throw them all away for a life of crime and/or drugs.

I think you missed it


ILLEGAL immigrants = most of these people are law abiding


CkG

I didn't miss anything. I just don't get an erection categorizing a group of people as criminals because they break a law that american employers, ie american citizens, are encouraging them to do. Anybody else would do the same if they lived in a dump that had no indoor plumbing or water that was safe to drink, and was responsible for feeding a family even tho there are no opportunities to make money to do so. If they stayed where they are, they probably would have to resort to a life of crime just to make it.

While at the same time employers are looking aggressively to hire illegals so they can pay them less and keep it off the books - giving them no benefits as well. There's no comparison in my book as to who are the real scumbags.

Yeah, that's right - blame everybody but the person who willingly crosses the border ILLEGALLY. They broke the law - period. WHY they did it doesn't make a difference as to wether they broke the law or not.
The statement is funny because they DID infact not abide by the law...yet someone tried to say they were law abiding

CkG

I never said they were were abiding by the law when they crossed the boarder.

People break the law every time they don't stop at a stopsign. Kids break the law every time they dring before they are 21. People break the law all the time - I don't hear everyone labeled as a criminal tho.

One would think that those who are a part of this country would have more respect for the laws of this country, but a much higher percentage of US citizens break more laws and are arrested more often than those who are in the country illegally.

Lets keep it in perspective.

 

[Gaard]

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[Genesys]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Gaard
Most of these people are law abiding.

Ironic, isn't it?

No, not at all.

Someone wants a better life for themselves and their family and they're willing to work hard for little money to do it? I don't see the irony in it - people don't come here to get 1/2 the money or less a citizen might get while being treated like sh!t because they are lowlifes who are only interested in crime.

I find more irony in people who have all of the opportunities in the world and throw them all away for a life of crime and/or drugs.

I think you missed it


ILLEGAL immigrants = most of these people are law abiding


CkG

I didn't miss anything. I just don't get an erection categorizing a group of people as criminals because they break a law that american employers, ie american citizens, are encouraging them to do. Anybody else would do the same if they lived in a dump that had no indoor plumbing or water that was safe to drink, and was responsible for feeding a family even tho there are no opportunities to make money to do so. If they stayed where they are, they probably would have to resort to a life of crime just to make it.

While at the same time employers are looking aggressively to hire illegals so they can pay them less and keep it off the books - giving them no benefits as well. There's no comparison in my book as to who are the real scumbags.

Yeah, that's right - blame everybody but the person who willingly crosses the border ILLEGALLY. They broke the law - period. WHY they did it doesn't make a difference as to wether they broke the law or not.
The statement is funny because they DID infact not abide by the law...yet someone tried to say they were law abiding

CkG

I never said they were were abiding by the law when they crossed the boarder.

People break the law every time they don't stop at a stopsign. Kids break the law every time they dring before they are 21. People break the law all the time - I don't hear everyone labeled as a criminal tho.

One would think that those who are a part of this country would have more respect for the laws of this country, but a much higher percentage of US citizens break more laws and are arrested more often than those who are in the country illegally.

Lets keep it in perspective.

well, the only difference is that the Illegal Immigrants are continually in violation of the law until they get proper [and valid] documentation stating they can be here.
and go ahead and categorize all the stop sign running and underage drinking people as criminals. i have no problem with that. most Americans know it is illegal and therefore dont do it. and yeah, those illegals dont break laws for a reason! they dont want to get noticed by the law officers and deported!

 

[Gaard]

Ok, I need to lie down. I coulda sworn somebody...nah, nevermind.

 

[maluckey]

EagleKeeper, Where did you get the idea that the officers leave the weapons in the vehicles? I carried my .40, and handcuffs on my hip at all times. BP officers routinely arrest suspects while on the happy side of a Reminton 12 gauge.

On the Southern Land Border, Every Customs officer, INS officer, local PD, BP, and State Police are armed, and all visibly armed with at least a sidearm. Hell, there are certain excepted Agriculture officers with sidearms as well.

There's a reason everyone is armed. If all these "harmless" illegals were "harmless", then the force wouldn't be needed, but the facts are that protecting the border is DANGEROUS. It is not rare at all to find weapons, to include pistols, rifles, and fighting knives, in possession by the "harmless illegal".

They are not ALL harmless. Some are Mexican Mafia, some are independent Coyote, some are transporting endangered species of animals, drugs, and so on. If we could track the harmless ones easier, it would help weed out the REALLY bad guys. That's why fingerprinting, improved tracking and photographing is a good thing. If the exchange laborer program provides more ease of tracking, while keeping the alien of the public charge lists, then it is generally a good thing for our already strained social services.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: maluckey
EagleKeeper, Where did you get the idea that the officers leave the weapons in the vehicles? I carried my .40, and handcuffs on my hip at all times. BP officers routinely arrest suspects while on the happy side of a Reminton 12 gauge.

I was being sarcastic as to the way the news media perceive the way law enforcement handles weapons.

Unless the weapon looks like a Dirty Harry style revolver or is an assault rifle/shotgun they do not consider it a weapon. What they can not actually see and be scared of does not count.

 

[maluckey]

.....Ummmm double clicked by mistake.

 

[maluckey]

I'm slow today!!!! I get it!!

Maybe I should have carried a Xanthic Restruction Destabilized Xenon Emitter instead!!!?

 

[Ultima]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Gaard
Most of these people are law abiding.

Ironic, isn't it?

No, not at all.

Someone wants a better life for themselves and their family and they're willing to work hard for little money to do it? I don't see the irony in it - people don't come here to get 1/2 the money or less a citizen might get while being treated like sh!t because they are lowlifes who are only interested in crime.

I find more irony in people who have all of the opportunities in the world and throw them all away for a life of crime and/or drugs.

I think you missed it


ILLEGAL immigrants = most of these people are law abiding


CkG

I didn't miss anything. I just don't get an erection categorizing a group of people as criminals because they break a law that american employers, ie american citizens, are encouraging them to do. Anybody else would do the same if they lived in a dump that had no indoor plumbing or water that was safe to drink, and was responsible for feeding a family even tho there are no opportunities to make money to do so. If they stayed where they are, they probably would have to resort to a life of crime just to make it.

While at the same time employers are looking aggressively to hire illegals so they can pay them less and keep it off the books - giving them no benefits as well. There's no comparison in my book as to who are the real scumbags.

Yeah, that's right - blame everybody but the person who willingly crosses the border ILLEGALLY. They broke the law - period. WHY they did it doesn't make a difference as to wether they broke the law or not.
The statement is funny because they DID infact not abide by the law...yet someone tried to say they were law abiding

CkG

I never said they were were abiding by the law when they crossed the boarder.

People break the law every time they don't stop at a stopsign. Kids break the law every time they dring before they are 21. People break the law all the time - I don't hear everyone labeled as a criminal tho.

One would think that those who are a part of this country would have more respect for the laws of this country, but a much higher percentage of US citizens break more laws and are arrested more often than those who are in the country illegally.

Lets keep it in perspective.

well, the only difference is that the Illegal Immigrants are continually in violation of the law until they get proper [and valid] documentation stating they can be here.
and go ahead and categorize all the stop sign running and underage drinking people as criminals. i have no problem with that. most Americans know it is illegal and therefore dont do it. and yeah, those illegals dont break laws for a reason! they dont want to get noticed by the law officers and deported!

LOL. I think you're wrong there. Go stand next to a stop sign, any stop sign. Go count how many people stop completely and stay still for 2 seconds. I also think that most people would have had at least one alcoholic drink in their lifetimes before 18.

I also disagree that the reason why someone broke the law doesn't matter. People are not robots commanded to follow the letter of the law to every instruction. For these illegal immigrants, to them it's a better life for them and their family, and that's worth the risk of crossing the border. Doesn't mean they're going to be criminals once they're there.

This immigration plan isn't a good idea though. People need to be discouraged from trying to cross the border in the first place. Maybe the USA needs to build a modern version of Hadrian's wall, or something like that.

 

[tallest1]

Do you guys REALLY think that after giving these illegals legal status, a drivers licence, and legit job, they'll leave the country without a fight? Hell no! By the time the first set of illegals are told to leave, it won't be Bush's problem anymore.

Similarly, Bush gave everyone a tax cut DURING TIMES OF WAR might I add and now everyone wants it to be permanent. When the country goes even more in debt, it won't be Bush's problem anymore