Bush- Immigration: Largest sting OP?

[gordy]

A new take on the whole deal, could be a huge sting operation, kinda like the ones where cops offer "football tickets" to peeps with warrants out for their arrest.

Not a bad move - I.D. all the illegals, fingerprint them, montior them in one fell swoop, all under the guise of <smooth voice> "We're your best friends" </smooth voice>

two thumbs up

 

[Dari]

It's better to have them accounted for than to leave these people be invisible to the government and society as a whole. In NYC, if an illegal immigrant is killed, the investigations go nowhere because no one knows (or cares) who this person is or where he/she came from. If anything, this is an invitation to bring them in from the cold/shadows. I applaud this move by Bush.

EDIT: Most of these people are law abiding. All they want is a better life for themselves and their children.

 

[Gaard]

Most of these people are law abiding.

Ironic, isn't it?

 

[43st]

Do you AT Republicans think they should get driver's licenses also?

 

[TerryMathews]

As long as they pay their fees and keep insurance on their car, sure why not? More registered, paying drivers should yield both lower per-person road costs and lower insurance rates.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: TerryMathews
As long as they pay their fees and keep insurance on their car, sure why not? More registered, paying drivers should yield both lower per-person road costs and lower insurance rates.

You must be a liberal. Gray Davis just got canned for saying the samething in California.

 

[gordy]

Originally posted by: Thera
Do you AT Republicans think they should get driver's licenses also?

why not, thier tax dollars are green too arent they?

 

[Aegion]

Originally posted by: Thera
Do you AT Republicans think they should get driver's licenses also?

Logically, if you allow them to legally work in the US, it makes no sense that they can't get a driver's license and drive legally if they meet the other legal requirements. While this may not be true of most of the current jobs, there may be cases where being able to legally drive is necessary to perform parts of the job. Certainly HB-1 Visa holders can get drivers licenses in the US.

 

[AnImuS]

they should be deported. at this rate what is the actual point of having a border with mexico?

none...

its these same stupid laws that let in terrorist and give them a chance to attack us, even though its OUR fault for letting them come in so easily. its like every dumba$$ president seems to miss something so obvious.

we know the politicians excuse (money&power) but whats ours for voting them in?

elect me...

 

[johnjosh]

I have a big problem with Bush new immigration policy. For one we will be rewarding illegal people by giving them the right to work/ability to get driving licenses etc. Not only that but we will let them legally leave and come back to the country with out being worrying. We will also encourage more and more illegal to come in to this country after all once you are here you can work as u are illegal all you have to do is announce your self and they give you right to work. Instead of what bush proposed I propose that we declare and if we find you being here illegally we throw you out of the country on the spot with no question ask/with out letting you to pack your belongings or telling someone goodbye you are just getting kicked out on the spot. Next I would put us army to guard the boarders not boarder patrol as they don't even have guns how nice. Next I would announce that anyone that attempted to come in illegally and refuse to stop for us army will be shoot to kill if they don't stop after 1 warning shoot. I bet you after 300 of illegal get killed by the army the problem of illegal in this country will drop significally.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Bush just wants the votes of the Spanish speaking population of the US. Nothing more, nothing less. He's been sucking up to Mexico from the start.

 

[Moonbeam]

I thought Mexican was Bush's native language. I know it's not English.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: AnImuS
they should be deported. at this rate what is the actual point of having a border with mexico?

none...

its these same stupid laws that let in terrorist and give them a chance to attack us, even though its OUR fault for letting them come in so easily. its like every dumba$$ president seems to miss something so obvious.

we know the politicians excuse (money&power) but whats ours for voting them in?

elect me...

Our States do not have Borders. Mexico will be our 51st State before Puerto Rico.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Bush can propose changes.
Congress has to approve those changes. That takes time (1 Yr or more unless critical).

Nothing will happen within the next 10 months other than talking.


THINK !!!

Congress will not have to pander for the bribe votes.

Dead Issue.

As a side note, would that be classified as racial discrimination, if only the Hispanic/Mexicans were granted protection.
What about any Canadians, Asians and others.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Bush can propose changes.
Congress has to approve those changes. That takes time (1 Yr or more unless critical).

Nothing will happen within the next 10 months other than talking.


THINK !!!

Congress will not have to pander for the bribe votes.

Dead Issue.

As a side note, would that be classified as racial discrimination, if only the Hispanic/Mexicans were granted protection.
What about any Canadians, Asians and others.

"would that be classified as racial discrimination, if only the Hispanic/Mexicans were granted protection.
What about any Canadians, Asians and others."

No, Canadians, Asians etc are Foreigners, Mexicans are our southern "Citizens" from that State that is bigger than Texas.

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: TerryMathews
As long as they pay their fees and keep insurance on their car, sure why not? More registered, paying drivers should yield both lower per-person road costs and lower insurance rates.

You must be a liberal. Gray Davis just got canned for saying the samething in California.

That's what I was thinking. Interesting how fast people can change their opinion when someone tells them what to think.

Also of note... The CNN front page poll yesterday had Bush with about a 20% approval factor on the immigration speech.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Dari
It's better to have them accounted for than to leave these people be invisible to the government and society as a whole. In NYC, if an illegal immigrant is killed, the investigations go nowhere because no one knows (or cares) who this person is or where he/she came from. If anything, this is an invitation to bring them in from the cold/shadows. I applaud this move by Bush.

EDIT: Most of these people are law abiding. All they want is a better life for themselves and their children.

Please look up the word ILLEGAL in the dictionary and come back and let me know if they are still considered law abiding.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Dari
It's better to have them accounted for than to leave these people be invisible to the government and society as a whole. In NYC, if an illegal immigrant is killed, the investigations go nowhere because no one knows (or cares) who this person is or where he/she came from. If anything, this is an invitation to bring them in from the cold/shadows. I applaud this move by Bush.

EDIT: Most of these people are law abiding. All they want is a better life for themselves and their children.

Please look up the word ILLEGAL in the dictionary and come back and let me know if they are still considered law abiding.

Once they arrive then they are very careful to stay under the law's radar. They know the consequences of being spotted by the law enforcement.

Petty Vandelism and Speeding are hardly ever an issue, unlike many kids.

I do not condone them being here though.

 

[maluckey]

Rudder, you are right on the money. Illegals should receive enough to get them home, and a ticket on the bus to their hometown. Most legal aliens (depending on classification) are allowed all the privileges afforded a resident or citizen.

Johnjosh: Border Patrol are all armed. Where did you get the idea that they aen't. Inspectors at the land ports are all armed. Some airport Inspectors are armed as well. You shouldn't state such things unless you are sure about what you say, or at least give a disclaimer so that we all know that what you say may be incorrect.

Border Patrol has a mission to protect the United States. Their Primary mission is not necessarily stopping illegals, so much as the contraband, crime, and drugs that come with them. INS Inspectors, Adjudicators, and Agents primary mission is to find and remove illegal aliens, and to facilitate the entry of legal visitors and/or citizens. Their secondary, and almost equal mission is to stop contraband, drugs, and criminal activities.

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
You must be a liberal. Gray Davis just got canned for saying the samething in California.

And here I thought Gray Davis got canned for letting Enron hold California hostage with a manufactured energy shortage?

I'm actually a conservative. I'm all about conserving as much of my money as I can.

 

[johnjosh]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Rudder, you are right on the money. Illegals should receive enough to get them home, and a ticket on the bus to their hometown. Most legal aliens (depending on classification) are allowed all the privileges afforded a resident or citizen.

Johnjosh: Border Patrol are all armed. Where did you get the idea that they aen't. Inspectors at the land ports are all armed. Some airport Inspectors are armed as well. You shouldn't state such things unless you are sure about what you say, or at least give a disclaimer so that we all know that what you say may be incorrect.

Border Patrol has a mission to protect the United States. Their Primary mission is not necessarily stopping illegals, so much as the contraband, crime, and drugs that come with them. INS Inspectors, Adjudicators, and Agents primary mission is to find and remove illegal aliens, and to facilitate the entry of legal visitors and/or citizens. Their secondary, and almost equal mission is to stop contraband, drugs, and criminal activities.

i stand corrected then, i was watching 2020 on this issue and at that time they said they are not armed so that is the reason why i posted that. I saw 2020 about 6-9 month ago so it could have changed since then

 

[maluckey]

johnjosh: Border patrol has been armed for a long, long, long time. If this so-called "news" show stated they aren't, then they are very, very off. Furthermore, I left INS in 2000, and we were already armed before I entered service in 1995. FWIW, I was even armed when I worked my airport rotations. Don't always believe what you hear in the news about law enforcement or the military, as the press rarely has a clue.

 

[shurato]

As a "legal" immigrant, I find this appalling...Why do we even have laws when they will be broken and it will be accepted? Maybe we should figure out a way to help Mexico in so that their people will want to stay in their own country. I find it rather offensive that when I go to my banks ATM it asks me if I want to continue my transaction in English or Spanish. I thought I immigrated to America not and not some Spanish speaking country. I am not the least bit racist...I do however feel that if you move to this country, you are expected to reasonably assimilate oneself into this country....and language should be one of the first and foremost things you must learn first to do so. So...Bush is now saying, if you don't get caught sneaking in and you find a cheap labor job illegally...you will be granted amnesty if you come forth. Is there really no alternative solution than this? Have we really exhausted all options that we are now going to pander to illegals? This is wrong on so many levels....

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Most of these people are law abiding.

Ironic, isn't it?

quite.

 

[peonyu]

I have yet to see the reasoning behind this.

Bush has set it up so that all foreighners arriving here have to get finger printed and ID'd, yet he doesnt even wince at the thought of letting 10 million undocumented, potential rapists/murderors/terrorists/drug dealers/whatever to stay in the country. The irony is unbelievable.