BUSH: HOLDING THREE JOBS 'UNIQUELY AMERICAN'

[Starbuck1975]

No, but you claiming this woman was in a family that was working poor *is* a stretch. You don't know that they didn't live rather comfortably while married and raising their kids. Divorce lowers the standard of living of all involved.

Divorce is a choice...you choose to depart the fiscal benefits of being in a marriage for the uncertainty of possibly lowering your standard of living.

And my working poor comment was directed towards her current situation...working three jobs is rarely an indicator of affluence...we dont know what her financial situation was with the father of her children, assuming of course they were married at some point.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

No, but you claiming this woman was in a family that was working poor *is* a stretch. You don't know that they didn't live rather comfortably while married and raising their kids. Divorce lowers the standard of living of all involved.

Divorce is a choice...you choose to depart the fiscal benefits of being in a marriage for the uncertainty of possibly lowering your standard of living.

This is your view of marriage?

How shallow

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Engage in stretches of the imagination this often?

That many of our working poor have no one to blame but themselves is not a stretch at all.

No, but you claiming this woman was in a family that was working poor *is* a stretch. You don't know that they didn't live rather comfortably while married and raising their kids.

Divorce lowers the standard of living of all involved.

Here is a tragic story of a woman who went through divorce, lost her job, her home, and when threatened with losing her daughter took the girl's life.

Mother charged with killing sleeping daughter with hammer, shovel

For those too naive and/or too inexperienced to understand, sometimes life doesn't go according to plan.

I must say, for a political party that preaches Christian values, the chasm between what that religion teaches and what Republicans policies actually stand for is wider than the Grand Canyon.

 

[Starbuck1975]

This is your view of marriage?

Well given the divorce rate in this country, marriage is a dead institution in my opinion...people have become far too self-centered, selfish and materialistic to value or hold their vows, or make the sacrifices inherent to making a marriage work.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

This is your view of marriage?

Well given the divorce rate in this country, marriage is a dead institution in my opinion...people have become far too self-centered, selfish and materialistic to value or hold their vows, or make the sacrifices inherent to making a marriage work.

if they're too materialistic what are they doing leaving a marriage and lowering their standard of living?

(i'm just messing with you by the way)

 

[Starbuck1975]

Here is a tragic story of a woman who went through divorce, lost her job, her home, and when threatened with losing her daughter took the girl's life.

The article you linked makes no mention of the divorce, job or house...so I will not comment on the specifics of her situation.

For those too naive and/or too inexperienced to understand, sometimes life doesn't go according to plan.

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Perhaps some of us have had such experiences where life didn't go as planned, yet we managed to regain control of our destiny...the natural balance of life is that those fit to survive do so...human society has created the artificial construct of helping people up when they fall down, allowing people to wallow in their own suffering, or worst of all, make excuses or point fingers at others for their own misfortunes and mistakes.

the chasm between what that religion teaches and what Republicans policies actually stand for is wider than the Grand Canyon.

Actually if you read the story of Job, the lesson is that personal perserverence and faith in God will see you through life's greatest struggles, where making excuses for your misfortune simply digs the hole deeper.

 

[Starbuck1975]

if they're too materialistic what are they doing leaving a marriage and lowering their standard of living?

The materialistic comment was directed more towards the superficial reasons why people enter into marriages these days...obviously if someone is obsessed with the acquirement of stuff, they would not divorce their spouse and risk lowering their standard of living.

Unless of course that person is a woman, and then she can use the courts and our unbalanced laws to take her ex husband for every penny she can.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

if they're too materialistic what are they doing leaving a marriage and lowering their standard of living?

The materialistic comment was directed more towards the superficial reasons why people enter into marriages these days...obviously if someone is obsessed with the acquirement of stuff, they would not divorce their spouse and risk lowering their standard of living.

Damn. Must be tough living with such a pissy view toward things.

Unless of course that person is a woman, and then she can use the courts and our unbalanced laws to take her ex husband for every penny she can.

Only if the man lets it happen or has a horrible lawyer. I came out of my divorce smelling like a

 

[CaptnKirk]

Lazy woman, all she does from Midnight to 4:30 A.M. is sleep . . .
why doesn't she apply herself and get a graveshift job in a service station ?


Gosh, it's hard to be President over all these lazy whiners . . .
maybe I need to take a couple more months vacation in Crawford.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Do you support abortion for those "unplanned" pregnancies?

I support educating people on the proper use of birth control so that abortion becomes an available but rarely used resource...with the exception of rape and abuse cases, every pregnancy is preventable...either through abstinence (unpractical) or the proper use of birth control

Damn. Must be tough living with such a pissy view toward things.

Not pissy at all...just skeptical

Only if the man lets it happen or has a horrible lawyer. I came out of my divorce smelling like a

You were lucky...with the exception of couples that split under amicable circumstances, I have yet to hear of a case where the guy didn't get screwed by the system.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

This is your view of marriage?

Well given the divorce rate in this country, marriage is a dead institution in my opinion...people have become far too self-centered, selfish and materialistic to value or hold their vows, or make the sacrifices inherent to making a marriage work.

Just replace "marriage" with "Social Security" and you have a good description of this younger generation's outlook on that issue as well.

 

[Siwy]

Double post

 

[Siwy]

From the full transcript:

MS. MORNAN (sp): Okay. I'm a divorced single mother with three grown adult children. I have one child, Robbie, who is mentally challenged, and I have two daughters.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Fantastic.

Too funny?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Just replace "marriage" with "Social Security" and you have a good description of this younger generation's outlook on that issue as well.

We have a reason to be skeptical...the elected leaders of our parent's generation, a product of the 1960s, have managed to totally bankrupt the system...thanks to the Baby Boomers of the 70s and yuppies of the 80s, you have entire generations of people who lived in the now rather then invested in the future...and now expect the government to provide for their retirement, health care and everything else they should have been considering 20 or 30 years ago.

My safety net...aggressive investment in a 401k, and putting off luxury investments like fancy cars, expensive clothing and other non essential items that everyone seems to elevate in priority above their own financial security.

 

[MikeO]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashss.htm

Last Friday when promoting social security reform with 'regular' citizens in Omaha, Nebraska, President Bush walked into an awkward unscripted moment in which he stated that carrying three jobs at a time is 'uniquely American.'

While talking with audience participants, the president met Mary Mornin, a woman in her late fifties who told the president she was a divorced mother of three, including a 'mentally challenged' son.

The President comforted Mornin on the security of social security stating that 'the promises made will be kept by the government.'

But without prompting Mornin began to elaborate on her life circumstances.

Begin transcript:

MS. MORNIN: That's good, because I work three jobs and I feel like I contribute.

THE PRESIDENT: You work three jobs?

MS. MORNIN: Three jobs, yes.

THE PRESIDENT: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that. (Applause.) Get any sleep? (Laughter.)

Such a "compassionate conservative".




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Fvck Bush!

Meaning of course, that it is very American to work hard.

Obviously, because nowhere else in the world do people work hard.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: MikeO

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashss.htm

Last Friday when promoting social security reform with 'regular' citizens in Omaha, Nebraska, President Bush walked into an awkward unscripted moment in which he stated that carrying three jobs at a time is 'uniquely American.'

While talking with audience participants, the president met Mary Mornin, a woman in her late fifties who told the president she was a divorced mother of three, including a 'mentally challenged' son.

The President comforted Mornin on the security of social security stating that 'the promises made will be kept by the government.'

But without prompting Mornin began to elaborate on her life circumstances.

Begin transcript:

MS. MORNIN: That's good, because I work three jobs and I feel like I contribute.

THE PRESIDENT: You work three jobs?

MS. MORNIN: Three jobs, yes.

THE PRESIDENT: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that. (Applause.) Get any sleep? (Laughter.)

Such a "compassionate conservative".




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Fvck Bush!

Meaning of course, that it is very American to work hard.

Obviously, because nowhere else in the world do people work hard.

Well, hard work is incredibly hard. It's incredibly hard to keep working hard. But, I look forward to working hard.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: MikeO

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashss.htm

Last Friday when promoting social security reform with 'regular' citizens in Omaha, Nebraska, President Bush walked into an awkward unscripted moment in which he stated that carrying three jobs at a time is 'uniquely American.'

While talking with audience participants, the president met Mary Mornin, a woman in her late fifties who told the president she was a divorced mother of three, including a 'mentally challenged' son.

The President comforted Mornin on the security of social security stating that 'the promises made will be kept by the government.'

But without prompting Mornin began to elaborate on her life circumstances.

Begin transcript:

MS. MORNIN: That's good, because I work three jobs and I feel like I contribute.

THE PRESIDENT: You work three jobs?

MS. MORNIN: Three jobs, yes.

THE PRESIDENT: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that. (Applause.) Get any sleep? (Laughter.)

Such a "compassionate conservative".




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Fvck Bush!

Meaning of course, that it is very American to work hard.

Obviously, because nowhere else in the world do people work hard.

Well, hard work is incredibly hard. It's incredibly hard to keep working hard. But, I look forward to working hard.

I find hardly working is harder than working hard...

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
dead link

Link:

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1992/09/bushboys.html

Just note that the site is motherjones...all but a newsmax of the left.

Show me one fact presented in that article that's false.

I'm not out to refute anything in there...just letting people know that motherjones is rather biased to the left.

comparing anything to newmax is rather harsh, don't you think?

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

I find hardly working is harder than working hard...

clearly a sign of insanity.


im gonna go take a nap. maybe stare at a wall for a while. then i'll see if there is anywork to avoid doing.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
dead link

Link:

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1992/09/bushboys.html

Just note that the site is motherjones...all but a newsmax of the left.

Show me one fact presented in that article that's false.

I'm not out to refute anything in there...just letting people know that motherjones is rather biased to the left.

comparing anything to newmax is rather harsh, don't you think?

Possibly. But, when I was member of the rabid right, I looked upon mj with disdain.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Do you support abortion for those "unplanned" pregnancies?

I support educating people on the proper use of birth control so that abortion becomes an available but rarely used resource...with the exception of rape and abuse cases, every pregnancy is preventable...either through abstinence (unpractical) or the proper use of birth control

Damn. Must be tough living with such a pissy view toward things.

Not pissy at all...just skeptical

Only if the man lets it happen or has a horrible lawyer. I came out of my divorce smelling like a

You were lucky...with the exception of couples that split under amicable circumstances, I have yet to hear of a case where the guy didn't get screwed by the system.

Even when properly used, all birth control has an inherent failure rate.

As far as divorce, what if one of the parties is physically/verbally/emotionally abusive? Talk of the "good ole days" when divorce was rare is an ignorant distortion of reality.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashss.htm

Last Friday when promoting social security reform with 'regular' citizens in Omaha, Nebraska, President Bush walked into an awkward unscripted moment in which he stated that carrying three jobs at a time is 'uniquely American.'

While talking with audience participants, the president met Mary Mornin, a woman in her late fifties who told the president she was a divorced mother of three, including a 'mentally challenged' son.

The President comforted Mornin on the security of social security stating that 'the promises made will be kept by the government.'

But without prompting Mornin began to elaborate on her life circumstances.

Begin transcript:

MS. MORNIN: That's good, because I work three jobs and I feel like I contribute.

THE PRESIDENT: You work three jobs?

MS. MORNIN: Three jobs, yes.

THE PRESIDENT: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that. (Applause.) Get any sleep? (Laughter.)

Such a "compassionate conservative".




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Fvck Bush!

Well I suppose, but it's hardly post-worthy or bitch-worthy. YAWN.

Jason

 

[Proletariat]

All Americans are materialistic. Conservatives are the most by far. I don't understand what your point is Starbuck?

Are you suggesting we adopt Eastern values and become socialist :Q

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
We dont know the full story on why she works three jobs...

I thought wages were rising?

That's according to the P&N Elitists, so why the hell would she need to work 3 jobs???

Maybe they are three part time jobs? When I was going to college the first time around *I* worked three part time jobs for different businesses. I needed the money to pay for school and basic living expenses. It sucked, but I did it. That's part of life sometimes, and you gotta do what you gotta do to make ends meet.

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: tss4
He could have said that he commends her hard work for her family and that he was working with congress to make sure there were more beneficial opportunities available to her.

Exactly.

But, Bush prefers to talk in soundbites which is why he comes off looking like an idiot most of the time.

And you prefer textbites where you come off reading like a Socialist sometime. So she has to work three part time jobs--and? I've done it, and I've known others who did as well. That doesn't mean I expect the government to go steal from someone who made better choices than I did in order to support me. What it means is that I do my best to get myself solvent and into a better paying single fulltime job.

Oh, wait, I did *exactly* that!

Jason

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Just replace "marriage" with "Social Security" and you have a good description of this younger generation's outlook on that issue as well.

We have a reason to be skeptical...the elected leaders of our parent's generation, a product of the 1960s, have managed to totally bankrupt the system...thanks to the Baby Boomers of the 70s and yuppies of the 80s, you have entire generations of people who lived in the now rather then invested in the future...and now expect the government to provide for their retirement, health care and everything else they should have been considering 20 or 30 years ago.

My safety net...aggressive investment in a 401k, and putting off luxury investments like fancy cars, expensive clothing and other non essential items that everyone seems to elevate in priority above their own financial security.

Your chosen leader, George W. Bush, bankrupted the system. He was handed a surplus and turned it into a deficit. IIRC, to the tune of $7 TRILLION.

Wake up.