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Bush has "Secret" evidence to Saddam's nuclear capability

heh I kinda laughed last night when I was watching the news... they talked about yesterdays meeting in the White House and then they talked about another "Secret Meeting" they were having tomorrow. Not so secret now is it? 😛
 
Originally posted by: Mutilator
heh I kinda laughed last night when I was watching the news... they talked about yesterdays meeting in the White House and then they talked about another "Secret Meeting" they were having tomorrow. Not so secret now is it? 😛

LOL, all I could think of is that he sounds like a little child:

"I've got a secret...nananabooboo!!!" 😛
 
You know what I think? I think he's had the weapons for quite some time now... he's just trying to figure out how the hell he's supposed to get them over that little thing called the Atlantic Ocean. 😉
 
Weapons of mass destruction is kind of vague. Biological, chemical, or nuclear can all be called weapons of mass destruction. Everyone knows Saddam has biological and chemical weapons and the willingness to use them.
 
Originally posted by: Mutilator
You know what I think? I think he's had the weapons for quite some time now... he's just trying to figure out how the hell he's supposed to get them over that little thing called the Atlantic Ocean. 😉

I'm sure he could find a few whacko fundamentalists to deliver the goods, keep in mind he pays people 25 grand to blow themselves up

 
Originally posted by: Pocatello
If only Saddam uses his nuclear weapons against France...I could dream couldn't I?

Don't bomb France Mr. Superpower

That's where we Brits have to go for decent healthcare.....
 
Originally posted by: Bollocks
Originally posted by: Pocatello
If only Saddam uses his nuclear weapons against France...I could dream couldn't I?

Don't bomb France Mr. Superpower

That's where we Brits have to go for decent healthcare.....

...and dentalcare



BUAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHA😛
 
Originally posted by: Bollocks
Originally posted by: Pocatello
If only Saddam uses his nuclear weapons against France...I could dream couldn't I?

Don't bomb France Mr. Superpower

That's where we Brits have to go for decent healthcare.....

You should think about some decent dental care while you're there.

 
I'm surprised the conspiracy theories havent piled on.

And I wonder what kind of proof they're talking about. I think its nearly impossible to have some concrete evidence of WoMD.
 
Bush is going to kill thousands and thousands of Iraqis and God only knows how many Americas soldiers because he is in the grip of Fundamentalist Christian lunacy. Whatever it takes, be it proof that Saddam is manufacturing weapons of mass destruction, or responsible for 9/11, the proof will magically appear. He is going to take us into war and he doesn't give a fig what anybody else thinks. The lawyers have been set to work to prove he doesn't need permission from anybody. This is why that simple-minded nutcake should never have been allowed to steal the Presidency.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bush is going to kill thousands and thousands of Iraqis and God only knows how many Americas soldiers because he is in the grip of Fundamentalist Christian lunacy. Whatever it takes, be it proof that Saddam is manufacturing weapons of mass destruction, or responsible for 9/11, the proof will magically appear. He is going to take us into war and he doesn't give a fig what anybody else thinks. The lawyers have been set to work to prove he doesn't need permission from anybody. This is why that simple-minded nutcake should never have been allowed to steal the Presidency.

You are in irrational rant mode again. There is absolutely no indication, especially after what came out to the White House and from the Congressional leadership today, that what you are saying is even remotely true. The lawyers have already said he doesn't need anyones permission, so that point is moot. It will be debated in Congress and the President has said he will seek their approval before he does anything. As for the rest of the world they can lead, follow or get the fsck out of the way. Since I have not seen very much leadership capability out of most of them they have two choices. The coalition building the President has said he is going to do leading up to his UN address will be telling. Let's see how many of our "friends" are willing to give up their illegal trade agreements with Iraq for another round of sanctions, inspectors and a possible war. It will also be interesting to see what Iraq's continued response is to our sabre rattling. They have already reacted in a positive way. I wonder if you will be big enough to give Bush credit for that when this ends without a war. Somehow I doubt it.

BTW Gore lost, get over it.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bush is going to kill thousands and thousands of Iraqis and God only knows how many Americas soldiers because he is in the grip of Fundamentalist Christian lunacy. Whatever it takes, be it proof that Saddam is manufacturing weapons of mass destruction, or responsible for 9/11, the proof will magically appear. He is going to take us into war and he doesn't give a fig what anybody else thinks. The lawyers have been set to work to prove he doesn't need permission from anybody. This is why that simple-minded nutcake should never have been allowed to steal the Presidency.
I don't know how you can claim to be so intelligent when most of your arguments contain nothing but informal fallacies. Have you ever taken a class on logic?
 
Never taken a course in logic, Vespiasian and never claimed to be intelligent. Other people just keep saying I do which I interpret to mean they are the ones who think I am. 😀 Am perfectly aware of possible flaws in my logic there though without taking a course. I made a prediction, a bold assertion as to what's going down, knowing full well I might be blowing smoke. I did so because it is what I think is going to happen. I did it as a warning and a wake up call. Pay attention. We are about to fall off a ledge. We are contemplating attacking an other country because they pose a possible threat. Let us change out Constitution first. Let's make it legal to hang potential killers. You certainly qualify, those of you who are ready to kill on the basis of your fears and suspicions. Any psychopath can do the same. Are you (attack Iraq folk)the logical ones. I think not. I don't think you have the faintest idea why you think you can justify attacking Iraq. I think it's because you are a coward, afraid to life with uncertainty like billions of other people all over the world have done for centuries. I think you are a moral coward, not strong enough to stand up for truth, the kind of truth this nation has stood for since it's inception. I am an American. I don't kill people, theirs and mine, because I am afraid. My neighbor has a gun in his house. Shall I kill him because he doesn't like me. H might use it on me. You never know. We will then go on and attack Iran, Syria, North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and the 60 countries that harbor Al Quada, Oh wait it's down to 40 or 50. You be logical. Do you really think we are attacking Iraq because they are a threat. We can turn Iraq into a sea of molten glass. Get real. Our government has been seized by an ultra conservative ultra hawkish bunch of extremists who threaten to completely alter the character of our nation. We are about to become terrorists and the most dangerous ones on the planet. Under the circumstances I don't mind being a little excessive.

Dave, will I give Bush credit if this ends without war. So you doubt it, eh? 😀 Now just how am I going to overcome that prejudgment. My honest opinion is that such a strategy, implying that it was his original intention, is much to brilliant to be a Bush idea, but it is something he may be backed into achieving by circumstance. The stupidity of his stated intention to attack is perhaps too unrealistic to achieve. He may have to settle for less and tout it as 'the intended goal'. I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not, what about you. Are you going to admit to anything. 😀

Most everyone comes to an issue believing some good things and thinking their ideas support those good things. It's dumb, in my opinion, to tell people they are wrong without telling them those good things they believe in really are good. There is nothing wrong with wishing to be secure. There is nothing wrong, I don't think, to keep mad men from having nuclear toys. In other words, Iraq is a problem like a lot of other countries, that needs reckoning with. We have to do it in a way that preserves our moral integrity, that's all. We need to court world opinion with truth, not with trumped up charges and fictions. If we have to physically disable Iraq as a threat, it needs to be a real threat and one that the rest of the world can see and agree on. We can't even get his neighbors to agree he's a threat.


 
Dave, will I give Bush credit if this ends without war. So you doubt it, eh? Now just how am I going to overcome that prejudgment. My honest opinion is that such a strategy, implying that it was his original intention, is much to brilliant to be a Bush idea, but it is something he may be backed into achieving by circumstance. The stupidity of his stated intention to attack is perhaps too unrealistic to achieve. He may have to settle for less and tout it as 'the intended goal'. I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not, what about you. Are you going to admit to anything.

You really should familiarize yourself more with the military's role in diplomacy. The more we rattled that sabre and when Blair started hinting they would go too, Iraq really started talking to anyone who would listen. If Congress debates in a hurry and passes a resolution and Blair repeats his promise to go, I expect Iraq to come running to the UN with hat in hand. We must allow them to save some face and they may end up being another Libya. I still think that we need to build a coalition before anything major happens in Iraq. I would not be adverse to us bombing nuke plants or "germ factories" but anything more than that I still think is politically unfeasible.

BTW what is it that you would like me to admit to?
 
Bush's real secret. Shhh. But seriously, if he has evidence why we should strike now against Iraq I wish he'd share it with the rest of the world. As bad as Sadam is, unlike the Osama Bin Laden's of the world, he actually has valid reasons NOT to attack the US:
The EU & UN seem to love putting up with his shinanigans, which would surely change with an outright attack against the US.
He rules an entire country, why would he risk losing that?
We know right where he is and can obliterate his ass.
Now maybe he is crazy, and none of these make any difference to him, but I'd like to see something, anything, that backs that up before we go in with guns a'blazing.

And Dave, I think if this were just saber rattling, more of his party and cabinet would be in on it and rattling along with him instead of waivering on the issue as many of them seem to be doing.
 
Dave, I don't think I'm naive to the roll of the military in deplomacy. Do you think you can make a similar claim that fighting anything but a just war is wrong? Naturally we can differ on what is just, but we have never justified attacking first. That has never been who we are. Does that argument mean anything to you? Do you believe in right and wrong? For a lot of fokes, everything is relative. I don't want you to admit anything, but if Bush goes ahead and attacks unilaterally in the face of opposition at home and around the world, as I said he will, I'm wondering if anything about your perceptions on this matter will change.
 
Tariq Aziz is one of one the biggest liars in the world. When he speaks, I automatically assume the opposite. When he says Iraq has no WMD program -- THEY HAVE ONE.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Dave, I don't think I'm naive to the roll of the military in deplomacy. Do you think you can make a similar claim that fighting anything but a just war is wrong? Naturally we can differ on what is just, but we have never justified attacking first. That has never been who we are. Does that argument mean anything to you? Do you believe in right and wrong? For a lot of fokes, everything is relative. I don't want you to admit anything, but if Bush goes ahead and attacks unilaterally in the face of opposition at home and around the world, as I said he will, I'm wondering if anything about your perceptions on this matter will change.

Moonbeam, please tell us what your solution is to the issues of the Middle East; I'm interested to hear what you would do about Saddam Hussein and his chemical weapons, biological weapons, upcoming nuclear weapons, his inclinations to use them, and his hatred for the United States and the West. If you could make policy, where would we be in one year, in three years, in five, then in ten? What would you do about the Saudis and Wahhabism? About Al-Quaida? About oil?

Perhaps we should just all get in a big circle, hold hands, and sing songs, like we all did in kindergarten? We could just sort of wish the world into being a better place...?
 
Moonbeam is right! Bush is a TOOL!! He is gonna get us in a whole heap of trouble with the rest of the world. We cannot take on the whole world by ourselves. If China and Russia got together, we would be toast!
 
I don't want you to admit anything, but if Bush goes ahead and attacks unilaterally in the face of opposition at home and around the world
Well it would seem he's calling on Congress for a "resolution". Ignorant little me assumes that's a formal vote up/down on the attack. Let's hope so, as that's what is needed. And if decide to pull the trigger it will no longer be a "Bush-only" War.

This is good news at face value and hopefully deep-down, too. All America and the world was asking for was proof-positive of the Evil. A bit of communication isn't asking too much is it?

I hope the evidence is honest, compelling and irrefutable but it likely won't be. A lot of "judgement" will do into the final decision. One things for certain, US foreign policy will remain unchanged and therefore the fuel for terrorism against us will remain.
 
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