Bush gets raw and blames democrats for everything

[International Machine Consortium]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Have any of you ever considered that the dems are just asking GWB to consult with them on the Iraq war, and to achieve that goal they threaten to pass funding bills with far off withdrawal dates as the only effective way to get GWB to listen? And instead GWB steadfastly refuses to even talk to democrats. In a better world a wiser President would talk to congress, make them a equal party in war planning, and we might just get a bipartisan plan for Iraq that has a chance of national support and success.

If the GWB track record even remotely had a glimmer of success, one might understand a President who insists they are right, but given the positively abysmal track record of GWB&co., one can only sadly conclude that their position is simply crazy and divorced from all reality. And ultimately GWB&co. will have to be dope slapped very forcefully.

If the dems had any other plan than to leave, he might listen to them. However, the dems only want to hamstring the military and leave. We need to make sure Iraq can stand on its own before, otherwise we will back again..

Probably because it's the only option available after the cockup he's made of it.

 

[JEDIYoda]

what exavtly have the democrats done that is of any substance since taking control of congress??

Things that make you go hmmmmm

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Get on topic Mr. Exclamation Point. If you can that is. Feel free to use lots of EXCLAMATION POINTS.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Finally, the big WHY. Why did it take $20 billion pork in order to get this bill passed? Democrats are so worried about the lives of the troops that they have to bought off in order to vote for the bill? Sad all around.
You think America should leave, fine, pass a clean bill calling for our withdrawal.

Bribery, plain and simple. When you threaten to take away dollars from a representative's constitutency, you'd be surprised what you can get them to vote for.

That said, others are right. Republicans have done similar in the past. I find it despicable.

The problem with the current Democrat position is they're trying to straddle the fence, instead of staying on one side or the other. If they feel so strongly, they should cut the funding and end the war. Otherwise, they're just playing petty partisan politics in the middle of a war which is despicable.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

A war the American people were lied to about and one that was started unnecessarily. Describing it as though it was legitimate is where you go wrong.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
A war the American people were lied to about and one that was started unnecessarily. Describing it as though it was legitimate is where you go wrong.

Although I agree things could have gone differently in Iraq (not quite sure HOW, but thats another subject) I *do not* think it should ever be the public's decision, or any say-so for that matter, whether or not we go to war.

Just MHO

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
A war the American people were lied to about and one that was started unnecessarily. Describing it as though it was legitimate is where you go wrong.

Although I agree things could have gone differently in Iraq (not quite sure HOW, but thats another subject) I *do not* think it should ever be the public's decision, or any say-so for that matter, whether or not we go to war.

Just MHO

But do you think we should be mislead or lied to about it? Keep in mind, I'm not asking if we were (I think it's obvious you don't think we were), all I'm asking is do you think we should be.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
A war the American people were lied to about and one that was started unnecessarily. Describing it as though it was legitimate is where you go wrong.

The "American People" elect representatives to be competent in this area. Suggesting these stewards of public trust were "misled" is ludicrous. Either they were negligent in their duties or had other priorities, either way they failed. That blame rests solely with them, not with those you'd like to place the blame with.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
A war the American people were lied to about and one that was started unnecessarily. Describing it as though it was legitimate is where you go wrong.

Although I agree things could have gone differently in Iraq (not quite sure HOW, but thats another subject) I *do not* think it should ever be the public's decision, or any say-so for that matter, whether or not we go to war.

Just MHO

But do you think we should be mislead or lied to about it? Keep in mind, I'm not asking if we were (I think it's obvious you don't think we were), all I'm asking is do you think we should be.

"Should be"? No. However, obviously Bush withheld info from congress about the situation in Iraq, but I also think it wouldnt have changed anything about their decision to fund the war. Thats a point that can be debated all day long with no resolution, since we cant speak for our congress.

But

I think this whole movement of the public demading so much info from congress regarding the war is actually harmful. I believe all we need to know is the readers digest version. People seem to forget our enemies watch CNN also.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
A war the American people were lied to about and one that was started unnecessarily. Describing it as though it was legitimate is where you go wrong.

Which explains why people like Hillary and the Washington Post are triping over themselves to point that out every change they get...

Oh I forgot, the WaPo says the war was the right thing to do and Hillary refuses to call her vote a 'mistake.'

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I think this whole movement of the public demading so much info from congress regarding the war is actually harmful. I believe all we need to know is the readers digest version. People seem to forget our enemies watch CNN also.

They also air their propaganda tapes on CNN. A natural fit.

You make a good point. Good luck getting the crowd here to see it.

 

[Jaskalas]

I wonder how this country maintains civil order with all this in-fighting. That really is a miracle, or testament to our form of government.

 

[DealMonkey]

His very first words are a lie. No surprise there, really.

"I like peanuts as much as the next guy,'' President Bush said today, "but I believe the security of our troops should come before the security of our peanut crop.''

Yes, the Dems added pork to the bill, but they didn't add it to the exclusion of the money that will fund the troops. That money is (obviously) right in the bill and all W has to do is sign it.

Sometimes, it's difficult to believe the kind of nonsense coming out of his mouth.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
what exactly have the democrats done that is of any substance since taking control of congress??

Things that make you go hmmmmm

They say copying is the sincerest form of flattery.

Thanks :thumbsup:

Oh , they have managed to rattle you and your ilk and that is super fine 😀 :laugh:

That's "Mission Accomplished" :thumbsup:

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
what exactly have the democrats done that is of any substance since taking control of congress??

Things that make you go hmmmmm

They say copying is the sincerest form of flattery.

Thanks :thumbsup:

Oh , they have managed to rattle you and your ilk and that is super fine 😀 :laugh:

That's "Mission Accomplished" :thumbsup:

eh....what? You say thanks like you had something to do with it lol trust me when I say no one on either side of the aisle would let you near them with your socialist views 🙂

And wtf does rattle you and your ilk?

Nevermind. Im not sure why I would expect a logical answer back other than your usual bwahahahaha or some such. Move on nothing to see here.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I wonder how this country maintains civil order with all this in-fighting. That really is a miracle, or testament to our form of government.

Yeah, we should have self-destructed back when the "R" led congress was having all the midnight votes.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I wonder how this country maintains civil order with all this in-fighting. That really is a miracle, or testament to our form of government.

Yeah, we should have self-destructed back when the "R" led congress was having all the midnight votes.

Those damn dirty neo-cons eh? Yeah, pile it on.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I wonder how this country maintains civil order with all this in-fighting. That really is a miracle, or testament to our form of government.

Yeah, we should have self-destructed back when the "R" led congress was having all the midnight votes.

Those damn dirty neo-cons eh? Yeah, pile it on.

Truth hurts, doesn't it.

When the shoe was on the other foot the righties were fond of saying "majority rules". Maybe the "party of no ideas" is smarter then people gave them credit for?

In any case, Bush will get the money he wants to give the Iraq Civil War one last effort. All he has to do is "zign ze papers".

 

[Lemon law]

As usual jackalas has the wrong explanation when he says---Those damn dirty neo-cons eh? Yeah, pile it on.

You neo-cons were in charge for six long years----and got fired by the American people because you were long on promises and totally short on results.

And instead of doing the proper thing----blaming your stinking thinking as the reason you failed----you pretend you are still in charge.---and refuse to question your assumptions.

And then go totally bat sh!t bonkers when congress says either alter your behavior or I'll cut your allowance.

What was that old song--something like----She will have fun fun fun till daddy takes her T-bird away.

Or to put it to you in words you can maybe understand---The American people trusted the neocons to act responsibly---they did not---and now we are just taking the car keys away.
You seem to think they are being vindictive---when the only vindictiveness is coming from the immature neo-cons who refuse to give the keys back to the true owner of the car---the American people.---who must now pay for the damage your reckless driving caused.

 

[blackangst1]

You know whats funny? now that we have a GOP prez and a Dem senate no one knows who to blame so they blame -----> the other guy lol

You guys who think theres a difference between the neo-cons and the neo-libs have your head so far up your ass

Get over it

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
You know whats funny? now that we have a GOP prez and a Dem senate no one knows who to blame so they blame -----> the other guy lol

You guys who think theres a difference between the neo-cons and the neo-libs have your head so far up your ass

Get over it

This from a guy whose main view is that of his lower intestine.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: blackangst1
You know whats funny? now that we have a GOP prez and a Dem senate no one knows who to blame so they blame -----> the other guy lol

You guys who think theres a difference between the neo-cons and the neo-libs have your head so far up your ass

Get over it

This from a guy whose main view is that of his lower intestine.

/wave

Nice to meet you Mr Kettle!

 

[QuantumPion]

I like how all the democrats saying that the funding bill does not raise our taxes are the same democrats that said republicans were cutting social security in the 90's. I.e. decreasing the rate that funding increases = cuts, but repealing tax cuts := tax increase to them. Ah well.

 

[VooDooAddict]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
From the way the story has been told it took all that pork for the Democrats to get the votes they needed for the bill to pass. The bill only passed by 3 votes, although someone said it only passed by 1 vote since 1 vote less would have been less than 50% of the house, not sure if that is true or now.
So in order to get ALL the Democrats onboard they through around some money, bribery basicly.

The fact that Republicans may have done similar in the past does not excuse the Democrats from doing it this time.

The fact is that this is how things have worked in DC for many many years.

You expect the new legislative majority to change how the capitol gets things done while also in the middle of a war?

I know you are smarter then calling this "bribery".

I don't think anyone disagreed that it would be nice if Washington wasn't run on "pork" projects. That type of change though isn't going to be overnight.