Bush Declares grad Student an Enemy Combatant

[Zebo]

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I don't understand what the government's so afraid of. What's wrong with allowing him the due process of law to challenge the governments assessments? Also why are they also afriad to allow those in gitmo due process? To me it just seems wrong not to have access to lawyer, telephone or due process.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Was he a citizen?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Zebo
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I don't understand what the government's so afraid of. What's wrong with allowing him the due process of law to challenge the governments assessments? Also why are they also afriad to allow those in gitmo due process? To me it just seems wrong not to have access to lawyer, telephone or due process.

I think he doesn't want them to have any outside communication until they can interrogate them to the fullest extent.

These people are constantly planning more and more attacks against America... They may also be afraid that these people will use their lawyers to communicate info to more enemy combatants who are not already detained by the US.

 

[jackschmittusa]

dahunan

Wouldn't that suggest that the government has made the assumption that the lawyers are criminals too?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
dahunan

Wouldn't that suggest that the government has made the assumption that the lawyers are criminals too?

Well...aren't they?

CkG

 

[Nitemare]

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and hangs around other ducks...I call it a duck

 

[Martin]

speaking of this, whatever happened to Jose Padilla?

 

[drewshin]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and hangs around other ducks...I call it a duck

while i agree that this person should be treated differently because of his status, you must be one of those people that think that any black kid with a raiders cap and speaks like he's from the ghetto is a gang member eh?

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: drewshin

Originally posted by: Nitemare
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and hangs around other ducks...I call it a duck

while i agree that this person should be treated differently because of his status, you must be one of those people that think that any black kid with a raiders cap and speaks like he's from the ghetto is a gang member eh?

same if he was white or hispanic. If you don't want to be thought of or treated like a gangster, don't look like one and don't talk like one.

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Zebo
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I don't understand what the government's so afraid of. What's wrong with allowing him the due process of law to challenge the governments assessments? Also why are they also afriad to allow those in gitmo due process? To me it just seems wrong not to have access to lawyer, telephone or due process.

I think he doesn't want them to have any outside communication until they can interrogate them to the fullest extent.

These people are constantly planning more and more attacks against America... They may also be afraid that these people will use their lawyers to communicate info to more enemy combatants who are not already detained by the US.

Don't go outside without your tinfoil hat

 

[Alistar7]

President Bush made a surprise decision today to remove a Qatari student from the criminal justice system and declare him an enemy combatant after prosecutors said new evidence linked him to another round of terrorist plots by Al Qaeda after Sept. 11.

The student, Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri, 37, had been held in civilian custody since late 2001, first as a material witness in connection with the Sept. 11 attacks and later on charges of lying to the F.B.I. and credit card fraud.

Neither of the other two men publicly identified as enemy combatants, Yaser Esam Hamdi, who was captured in fighting in Afghanistan, and Jose Padilla, suspected in a scheme to set off a "dirty bomb," had faced criminal charges beforehand. Both are Americans.

Justice Department officials said new evidence uncovered in the last several months, after criminal charges had been brought against Mr. Marri, provided further links to overseas operatives of Al Qaeda.

The officials said people in American custody indicated that Mr. Marri had visited a Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan, met with Osama bin Laden and pledged support for Al Qaeda's cause. He was assigned to help "settle" operatives for follow-up attacks after Sept. 11, officials said.

They added that Mr. Marri's effort to call a financier for Al Qaeda by using a calling card account also used by Mohammed Atta, ringleader of the Sept. 11 attacks, further corroborated his role. The Justice Department refused to identify the detainees who gave them information, but law enforcement officials said Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, a senior leader of Al Qaeda captured in March in Pakistan, was a source.


Good work, these are the guys they need to hold onto for as long as they want and you have a problem with this?????

 

[burnedout]

They added that Mr. Marri's effort to call a financier for Al Qaeda by using a calling card account also used by Mohammed Atta, ringleader of the Sept. 11 attacks, further corroborated his role. The Justice Department refused to identify the detainees who gave them information, but law enforcement officials said Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, a senior leader of Al Qaeda captured in March in Pakistan, was a source.


Good work, these are the guys they need to hold onto for as long as they want and you have a problem with this?????

Detractors create enigma by method of inherent subscription.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Alistar7


The officials said people in American custody indicated that Mr. Marri had visited a Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan, met with Osama bin Laden and pledged support for Al Qaeda's cause. He was assigned to help "settle" operatives for follow-up attacks after Sept. 11, officials said.

I'm just wondering since when did we consider comments by prisoners who were subjected to who-knows-what kind of interrogation method as evidence?

Do you believe we used anthrax on North Korea in the 50's? American marines in the custody of North Korea admitted to using them, so do believe them or do you have a double standard?

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: drewshin

Originally posted by: Nitemare
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and hangs around other ducks...I call it a duck

while i agree that this person should be treated differently because of his status, you must be one of those people that think that any black kid with a raiders cap and speaks like he's from the ghetto is a gang member eh?

If he hangs out in the ghetto, learns how to shoot a weapon in the ghetto, believes in the world of the ghetto, then yes, he is probably a gang member.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Zebo
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I don't understand what the government's so afraid of. What's wrong with allowing him the due process of law to challenge the governments assessments? Also why are they also afriad to allow those in gitmo due process? To me it just seems wrong not to have access to lawyer, telephone or due process.

I think he doesn't want them to have any outside communication until they can interrogate them to the fullest extent.

These people are constantly planning more and more attacks against America... They may also be afraid that these people will use their lawyers to communicate info to more enemy combatants who are not already detained by the US.

Don't go outside without your tinfoil hat

Be sure to keep wearing your blinders

He was assigned to help "settle" operatives for follow-up attacks after Sept. 11 , officials said.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: drewshin

Originally posted by: Nitemare
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and hangs around other ducks...I call it a duck

while i agree that this person should be treated differently because of his status, you must be one of those people that think that any black kid with a raiders cap and speaks like he's from the ghetto is a gang member eh?

same if he was white or hispanic. If you don't want to be thought of or treated like a gangster, don't look like one and don't talk like one.

How do you know any of these charges are accurate? The reason the consititution has the right to a public trial with adeqate representation is so people are not railroaded for political or personel reasons.

I agree mitigating factors should be considered (like looking like a gangster) but lets have it out in the public forum and see the evidence. Then if found guilty deny him freedom or kill him whatever. Until then you are asking me to trust a govenment and politicians who everyone agrees has lied at one time or another.

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Zebo
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I don't understand what the government's so afraid of. What's wrong with allowing him the due process of law to challenge the governments assessments? Also why are they also afriad to allow those in gitmo due process? To me it just seems wrong not to have access to lawyer, telephone or due process.

I think he doesn't want them to have any outside communication until they can interrogate them to the fullest extent.

These people are constantly planning more and more attacks against America... They may also be afraid that these people will use their lawyers to communicate info to more enemy combatants who are not already detained by the US.

Don't go outside without your tinfoil hat

Be sure to keep wearing your blinders

He was assigned to help "settle" operatives for follow-up attacks after Sept. 11 , officials said.

oooh, that hurt.

Not like that blanket generalization of "these people" are all out to get us. The government won't even tell us who "these people" are. Yeah, somebody give me my blinders

 

[fwtong]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: drewshin

Originally posted by: Nitemare
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and hangs around other ducks...I call it a duck

while i agree that this person should be treated differently because of his status, you must be one of those people that think that any black kid with a raiders cap and speaks like he's from the ghetto is a gang member eh?

same if he was white or hispanic. If you don't want to be thought of or treated like a gangster, don't look like one and don't talk like one.

How do you know any of these charges are accurate? The reason the consititution has the right to a public trial with adeqate representation is so people are not railroaded for political or personel reasons.

I agree mitigating factors should be considered (like looking like a gangster) but lets have it out in the public forum and see the evidence. Then if found guilty deny him freedom or kill him whatever. Until then you are asking me to trust a govenment and politicians who everyone agrees has lied at one time or another.

The Constitution only applies to people who have those rights. By declaring him an enemy combatant, he no longer has human rights. He can pretty much be treated any way that the military wants to treat him. He should he glad that he'll at least be getting bread and water.

 

[Zebo]

Are you really that dumb? The use of "enemy combatant" is wrong it goes against the consititution. I know what the courts said and they are wrong. The language of the consititution is crystal clear and they have chosen to ignore it. Much like they have done with IRS assest forfeiture laws where you must prove your innocense after a seizure at a great expense without access to you bank account anymore. They don't have to prove anything until you sue. This country is moving twards a police state. Wake up.

 

[Orsorum]

It's okay, this doesn't affect any of us flag-waving Christians - you know, real Americans. Who cares?

 

[fwtong]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Are you really that dumb? The use of "enemy combatant" is wrong it goes against the consititution. I know what the courts said and they are wrong. The language of the consititution is crystal clear and they have chosen to ignore it. Much like they have done with IRS assest forfeiture laws where you must prove your innocense after a seizure at a great expense without access to you bank account anymore. They don't have to prove anything until you sue. This country is moving twards a police state. Wake up.

Are you really that dumb? The government can use national security to justify virtually anything that they do.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: fwtong

Originally posted by: Zebo
Are you really that dumb? The use of "enemy combatant" is wrong it goes against the consititution. I know what the courts said and they are wrong. The language of the consititution is crystal clear and they have chosen to ignore it. Much like they have done with IRS assest forfeiture laws where you must prove your innocense after a seizure at a great expense without access to you bank account anymore. They don't have to prove anything until you sue. This country is moving twards a police state. Wake up.

Are you really that dumb? The government can use national security to justify virtually anything that they do.

I guess so if that's indeed the case. It's still wrong.

 

[Dari]

Zebo, I guess you want the gov't to release him to his lawyers and let him continue what he set out to do when he came here, right? I'm sure he's an innocent foreign student who wants to make his parents proud.

Face, we're living in a new era. An era where men are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for diabolical reasons. They must be treated differently from other criminals. Not all criminals are alike, you know.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Dari
Zebo, I guess you want the gov't to release him to his lawyers and let him continue what he set out to do when he came here, right? I'm sure he's an innocent foreign student who wants to make his parents proud.

Face, we're living in a new era. An era where men are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for diabolical reasons. They must be treated differently from other criminals. Not all criminals are alike, you know.

Please Dari take you flames someplace else.

What i want is, as in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Or else where are we to stop? I think child molestors are worse than terrorists. Lets deny them a public trail, lawyer etc. Some think dope smokers are the scurge of society let round them up too at who evers in powers discression with no rights too. Without the consititution and Bill of Rights this country *could* become no different than those so called democracies in South America where everyone knows someone who has disappeared.

 

[rockyct]

I agree with Zebo. Assuming that everything that they say about him is true, he still deserves his rights under the Constitution. Just because he accused of terrorism does not mean we should throw out his rights. I hope in twenty years we will look back on this and say, what were we thinking? If we don't I think we will become more and more like a police state.