• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Bush cries on the job

M

mfs378

Senior member
Text

A new book about President George W. Bush claims former deputy chief of staff Karl Rove discouraged the president from naming Dick Cheney as his running mate, and suggests Rove objected to nominating former White House counsel Harriet Miers to the U.S. Supreme Court.

In the book, ?Dead Certain: The Presidency of George W. Bush,? to be released Tuesday, journalist Robert Draper describes dissent among some of the President's closest advisers even before Bush reached the White House. CNN was able to purchase a copy of the book on Monday.

On selecting Cheney as the vice presidential running mate in 2000, Draper, paraphrasing Rove?s thinking, writes, ?Selecting Daddy's top foreign-policy guy ran counter to message. It was worse than a safe pick ? it was needy.? But, Draper writes, ?Bush didn't care. He was comfortable with Cheney.?

Draper claims that when Rove raised objections about Miers, he was "shouted down.? The book also claims that Chief Justice John Roberts suggested Miers as a possible Supreme Court nominee.

Kathy Arberg, a spokeswoman for the Court, categorically denied this passage, telling CNN, "The Chief Justice did not suggest Harriet Miers to the president. The account is not true."

The White House had no comment on the book as well as any specific allegations.

In researching the book, Draper interviewed President Bush six times. He includes some very intimate details about the president?s life. Bush is quoted as saying that ?self-pity is the worst thing that can happen to a presidency.? But the president is quoted as saying first lady Laura Bush reminds him that "'I decided to do this.'"

Draper says President Bush also admits that he cries. ?I've got God's shoulder to cry on. And I cry a lot. I do a lot of crying in this job. I'll bet I've shed more tears than you can count, as president," Bush told Draper.

After he leaves office, President Bush is quoted as telling Draper that he wants to build what he calls a "Fantastic Freedom Institute" in Dallas. He describes it as being a place where young leaders can come, write and lecture.

But first, Bush tells Draper, he wants to make some money to "replenish the ol' coffers,? noting he can make "ridiculous? money on the lecture circuit.

?I don't know what my dad gets. But it's more than 50, 75 [thousand] ? Clinton's making a lot of money," the president is quoted as saying.
Click to expand...

Lots of gems in there but does anyone else find the crying bit slightly disturbing?
 
"But first, Bush tells Draper, he wants to make some money to "replenish the ol' coffers,? noting he can make "ridiculous? money on the lecture circuit.

?I don't know what my dad gets. But it's more than 50, 75 [thousand] ? Clinton's making a lot of money," the president is quoted as saying."

HA, I don't think Bush will get too many people willing to pay people to hear him speak unless he is doing comedy.
 
Originally posted by: KB
"But first, Bush tells Draper, he wants to make some money to "replenish the ol' coffers,? noting he can make "ridiculous? money on the lecture circuit.

?I don't know what my dad gets. But it's more than 50, 75 [thousand] ? Clinton's making a lot of money," the president is quoted as saying."

HA, I don't think Bush will get too many people willing to pay people to hear him speak unless he is doing comedy.
Click to expand...

Are you kidding?

Just look in here, people fall all over themselves to hear Fear, Terrists over and over again.
 
GWB seems to lack the capacity for self-doubt. The criteria for success is not only in what we successfully do, its also in being smart enough not to try things that should not be done. In fact the latter is the more important.

Add in over optimism, a very narrow range of unitary yes men advisers with their own agendas, a personal God who agrees, and you have a perfect recipe for a train wreck.

The tears are irrelevant if you don't learn from mistakes.
 
seems to me, from taking a look back at how bush has conducted himself while in office that those tears are shed expressly for his frustration at not being able to be the commander guy he sees himself as. you know, kind'a like a dictator, or an emperor.
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
does anyone else find the crying bit slightly disturbing?
Click to expand...

i find the President spilling a few tears in the Oval office over difficult decisions appropriate,
much more so than "spilling" other bodily fluids, as the previous occupant of the Oval office did...
Monica Lewinsky's dress
Click to expand...

I see a president crying in the white house the same way I would see a crying general on the battlefield... pathetic, weak and hopeless, praying for someone to save his skin.
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
does anyone else find the crying bit slightly disturbing?
Click to expand...

i find the President spilling a few tears in the Oval office over difficult decisions appropriate,
much more so than "spilling" other bodily fluids, as the previous occupant of the Oval office did...
Monica Lewinsky's dress
Click to expand...

Damn that Bill Clinton, doing to Monica what he did to the Republicans for 8 years!!
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
does anyone else find the crying bit slightly disturbing?
Click to expand...

i find the President spilling a few tears in the Oval office over difficult decisions appropriate,
much more so than "spilling" other bodily fluids, as the previous occupant of the Oval office did...
Monica Lewinsky's dress
Click to expand...

YAWN

It's a decade later and that's still the best deflection you geniuses can come up with. Good one.

The repercussions from George W. Bush's presidency will be much harder for this country to overcome, I assure you.
 
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: mfs378


Lots of gems in there but does anyone else find the crying bit slightly disturbing?
Click to expand...

It depends on who he is really crying for?
Click to expand...

Hehe, so true.

It is also not a fact I am witness to that he does cry, so I will take the story with a grain of salt. It sounds as much to my cynical mind as a political stunt to appear human and sensitive to people for whom such things matter.
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
does anyone else find the crying bit slightly disturbing?
Click to expand...

i find the President spilling a few tears in the Oval office over difficult decisions appropriate,
much more so than "spilling" other bodily fluids, as the previous occupant of the Oval office did...
Monica Lewinsky's dress
Click to expand...

I not only completely agree with this, given any crying is real, and I will add it has no place in this thread. It appears here, I think, as a result of robotic associative thinking, an immature emotional need to strike some blow back at some imagined attack, a kicking match of sacred cows, but the fact of the matter is, there are many among us who find Bush appalling and also don't give a sh!t about Clinton.
 
Cry me a river. Whatever tears he may have shed are drowned under the million-fold more he's caused. My guess is MB hit it on the head, that it is a "political stunt to appear human and sensitive to people for whom such things matter. "
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
I bet Americans have shed more tears under Bush as well.
Click to expand...

Amen brother...amen!

By the way, he said more tears than you can count. I wonder if that's by his counting ability or yours....because if it's his, it might not be many! :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
[ ... ]
By the way, he said more tears than you can count. I wonder if that's by his counting ability or yours....because if it's his, it might not be many! :laugh:
Click to expand...
:laugh:

That popped into my mind too. I wondered if it was three tears or maybe four.
 
I cried a river when I heard about this Kindler Gentler war we were going to fight.

As far as people being killed in Iraq. They would have probably died under Sadam just as much, if not more. Sadam was a mad man and he would still be killing his own people if he was still in office. If you look at the war, more civilians are killed by Muslims, than by anyone else.

I wonder when we will understand that a thirst for blood is not a healthy thing. I would not have been so eager to go to war with Iraq. It is not that we can not kill people as efficiently as they do, it is that they love killing people more than we do. They are drunk with the blood of their own people! The more relations we have with muslim murderers, the more we will become just like them.
 
I not only completely agree with this, given any crying is real, and I will add it has no place in this thread. It appears here, I think, as a result of robotic associative thinking, an immature emotional need to strike some blow back at some imagined attack, a kicking match of sacred cows, but the fact of the matter is, there are many among us who find Bush appalling and also don't give a sh!t about Clinton.
Click to expand...

a myopic answer...a more appropriate comment might have been this thread has no place in P&N...

some one is trying to score cheap shots against Bush because he "cries" Well, he has to pee and poop as well. He also eats from time to time.

i tried (but failed, yet again) to point out to the reflexive Bush haters, that trying to diss on the guy for shedding bodily fluids at work, was hypocritical...

the real question is why i have a compulsion to to try and change anyone's mind (assuming they have one) about what their opinion is.....

Others of you share this compulsion (you know who you are)....
 
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
I not only completely agree with this, given any crying is real, and I will add it has no place in this thread. It appears here, I think, as a result of robotic associative thinking, an immature emotional need to strike some blow back at some imagined attack, a kicking match of sacred cows, but the fact of the matter is, there are many among us who find Bush appalling and also don't give a sh!t about Clinton.
Click to expand...

a myopic answer...a more appropriate comment might have been this thread has no place in P&N...

some one is trying to score cheap shots against Bush because he "cries" Well, he has to pee and poop as well. He also eats from time to time.

i tried (but failed, yet again) to point out to the reflexive Bush haters, that trying to diss on the guy for shedding bodily fluids at work, was hypocritical...

the real question is why i have a compulsion to to try and change anyone's mind (assuming they have one) about what their opinion is.....

Others of you share this compulsion (you know who you are)....
Click to expand...

I don't see why the OP does not belong in the thread. I am rather fascinated by the thought of Bush crying. Are they real, or a political image he manufactures, etc, and what implications are their if real. The OPer has a different take than mine, purely within his democratic rights, no?

He has to pee and poo and eat, but he does not have to cry. The latter is an emotional reaction that says things, whereas the first three are natural and necessary for us all.

So the dish was not on the shedding of bodily fluids, but on the emotions which are implied, a sense of loss or caring, a feeling of responsibility for decisions, etc, and whether he has any of those, in some serious or sincere manner. We never see him cry, you know. So what shall we believe? It's an interesting question.

So I say, you aren't out to show the OPer the error or hypocrisy of his vision, in my opinion. The content and choice of your words are, to my mind, rather simple. One insults Bush and the next insults Clinton. It is a very typical P&N response, one that is totally lacking in depth, in my opinion and did not illuminate to me the OPer's hypocrisy in the least.

Of course, I can't change your mind, but I can show you what I think of what you say. How you use that is up to you.

 
On another thread Heartsurgeon recommends immediate resignation as the cure for crying. Nah, we can't have Cheney so GWB has to wait until we are rid of Cheney first.

 
the real question is why i have a compulsion to to try and change anyone's mind (assuming they have one) about what their opinion is.....Others of you share this compulsion (you know who you are)....
Click to expand...

Of course, I can't change your mind, but I can show you what I think of what you say
Click to expand...

 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Back
Top