Bush covered it! (Interesting compairson between Bush and Clinton)

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Amused

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hey I'm just looking forward to the Presidential Debates to hear Bush explain where all the WMDs went!

Why do you still bleat this when you KNOW every single intelligence agency in the world was just as sure as the US that he had them, and was attempting to develop more? Why is it sudeenly all Bush's fault?
If you are going to prosecute a war and get the Public's support for it by assuring the American Public that you have proof positive that Iraq had WMDs (among other false claims) you better be right or accept the blame for being wrong. He get's no free pass for me because his Intel was dodgy at best and totally FUBARed at worse. The Buck stops at the top and that's where the Dub resides!

Anyway, it will be interesting listening to him explain it!

Both Clinton and Gore were positive he had WMDs as well. Yes, either our intel was bad, or he trucked them to Syria before we invaded (he had months to do so). Either way, it has been common knowledge that our intelligence agency was nuetered over the last decade by PC madness gone wild. No one wanted our Intel folks to deal with nasty people, so their hands were tied. Hopefully that will change. As I see it now, Bush did the best with what he had at the time.
 

VirginiaDonkey

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Lets try this in a different light......

Iraq was invaded because everyone "thought" they had WMD and was a threat to the region
North Korea has confirmed WMD and is a definate threat to our best trading partner (Japan) and we do nothing

are either a direct threat to the United States? I think no

Do I support our leaders for going after terroists....of course
Do I support invading a country because daddy didnt finish the job the first time?.....nope
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hey I'm just looking forward to the Presidential Debates to hear Bush explain where all the WMDs went!

Why do you still bleat this when you KNOW every single intelligence agency in the world was just as sure as the US that he had them, and was attempting to develop more? Why is it sudeenly all Bush's fault?



What other countries were so sure and had proof??? NONE. Must be nice to be a right wing nut, just believe what ever republicans say, or Fox news. ;)

Another person who believes I'm a "right-wing nut" simply because I supported finally taking action after twelve years of Saddam breaking the cease fire agreement.
rolleye.gif


Hint: I'm far from "right-wing." Ask most folks who know me here.

Look back to the debates before the war between the leaders in France, the US and Germany. The debate was NEVER whether or not he had them. ALL parties on both sides believed he did. The ONLY debate was how to go about getting him to give them up.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Amused
Not only that, but before the war even CLINTON and GORE were 100% positive Saddam had WMDs.

Stop trying to rewrite recent history folks. It will backfire big time.

Just because assholes like Clinton and Gore stated that they thought there was WMDs there neither promoted the invasion and occupation of Iraq..probably because they knew that the Intel was dodgy at best. Hell after all it's Clinton's fault that the American Intel Community was in such disarray and couldn't be trusted to be correct.

If I knew that there were no WMDs in Iraq I would never have supported our invasion and occupation of Iraq and I bet that many who did at the time wouldn't have either. When you make a decision to attack a soveirgn nation you better by right about your reasons, excuses do not make it in my book. I really don't care what Bush apologists like you have to say about it.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hey I'm just looking forward to the Presidential Debates to hear Bush explain where all the WMDs went!

Why do you still bleat this when you KNOW every single intelligence agency in the world was just as sure as the US that he had them, and was attempting to develop more? Why is it sudeenly all Bush's fault?



What other countries were so sure and had proof??? NONE. Must be nice to be a right wing nut, just believe what ever republicans say, or Fox news. ;)

Another person who believes I'm a "right-wing nut" simply because I supported finally taking action after twelve years of Saddam breaking the cease fire agreement.
rolleye.gif


Hint: I'm far from "right-wing." Ask most folks who know me here.

Look back to the debates before the war between the leaders in France, the US and Germany. The debate was NEVER whether or not he had them. ALL parties on both sides believed he did. The ONLY debate was how to go about getting him to give them up.
Go back even further to the 200 Presidential Debates where the Dub stated that if elected the USA would not be the "Worlds Policeman" and that we would not get into the business of "Nation Building"
 

LikeLinus

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Originally posted by: gotey
Lets try this in a different light......

Iraq was invaded because everyone "thought" they had WMD and was a threat to the region
North Korea has confirmed WMD and is a definate threat to our best trading partner (Japan) and we do nothing

are either a direct threat to the United States? I think no

Do I support our leaders for going after terroists....of course
Do I support invading a country because daddy didnt finish the job the first time?.....nope

The problem here is that North Korea and China were at one time allies.

In a worst-case scenario, full-scale war breaks out on the Korean Peninsula. China could and "probably" would stay out of it. But the collateral damage to Chinese interests would be massive.

The United States, South Korea, and a peripherally involved Japan lending logistic support would win such a war, at the expense of possibly hundreds of thousands of casualties.

South Korean foreign investment, the bulk of which now flows to China, would be diverted to Korean reconstruction, as would substantial portions of other foreign investment now flowing to China. Instead of having two Korean quasi-allies, China would face a unified nation of uncertain allegiance. Japan almost inevitably would emerge as a major new regional military power.

China ultimately does NOT want NK to have nukes. But the way a war would play out in such an area is a major difference than the war in Iraq.

China has been key in talking down NK, which has helped.
 

Fausto

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WRONG FSCKING FORUM. P&N exists so we OTers don't have to listen to this kind of fictional "FW: OMG!" garbage and the ensuing pissing match. :|
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Fausto
WRONG FSCKING FORUM. P&N exists so we OTers don't have to listen to this kind of fictional "FW: OMG!" garbage and the ensuing pissing match. :|
Eat it raw Fausto, this garbage is as good as the other garbage that makes up 99% of the posts here

 
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Originally posted by: Fausto
WRONG FSCKING FORUM. P&N exists so we OTers don't have to listen to this kind of fictional "FW: OMG!" garbage and the ensuing pissing match. :|

Word up! Keep this dittohead blather where it belongs!
 

LikeLinus

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Fausto
WRONG FSCKING FORUM. P&N exists so we OTers don't have to listen to this kind of fictional "FW: OMG!" garbage and the ensuing pissing match. :|

You're listening to a thread? Interesting.
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: Fausto
WRONG FSCKING FORUM. P&N exists so we OTers don't have to listen to this kind of fictional "FW: OMG!" garbage and the ensuing pissing match. :|

You're listening to a thread? Interesting.
"Listen" carefully: Blow me. :p

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: Fausto
WRONG FSCKING FORUM. P&N exists so we OTers don't have to listen to this kind of fictional "FW: OMG!" garbage and the ensuing pissing match. :|

You're listening to a thread? Interesting.
"Listen" carefully: Blow me. :p

Brilliant!
 

NFactor

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Wow...you are completely out of it. Just to remind you Colin Powell yesterday admitted that Iraq may not have had weapons of mass destruction, and that is besides saying that there has been no job growth in the past few years. That is sure heading the country in the right direction, look, i have no problem with going to war with Iraq. Hussein needed to be removed, what i do have a problem with is Bush lying to the country about WMD then rushing it and using it as an excuse to go to war. If he wanted to do something he should have trusted America and told us the truth. It is just as bad as Clinton's, "I have not had sexual relations with that woman" line.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: NFactor
Wow...you are completely out of it. Just to remind you Colin Powell yesterday admitted that Iraq may not have had weapons of mass destruction, and that is besides saying that there has been no job growth in the past few years. That is sure heading the country in the right direction, look, i have no problem with going to war with Iraq. Hussein needed to be removed, what i do have a problem with is Bush lying to the country about WMD then rushing it and using it as an excuse to go to war. If he wanted to do something he should have trusted America and told us the truth. It is just as bad as Clinton's, "I have not had sexual relations with that woman" line.
Clinton porking that fatty brought shame to all hetrosexual American Men, not because he lied, but because he is the Leader of the Free World and that was the best he could do!
 

Wow, now they need to make one of thoes catchy little write ups for social policy.
 

johnjohn320

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hey I'm just looking forward to the Presidential Debates to hear Bush explain where all the WMDs went!

Why do you still bleat this when you KNOW every single intelligence agency in the world was just as sure as the US that he had them, and was attempting to develop more? Why is it sudeenly all Bush's fault?

That, and the WMD were there, in the bottom of a dried up swamp rusted to the point of unusability (Yes, those are confirmed WMD) - but nobody bothered reporting much on it because they were utterly unusable.

I'd like to see that backed up-would have been really helpful to Bush if he had mentioned that in the State of the Union Address, but no, he said they had dozens of something-or-others that could have possibly lead to the construction of WMDs...etc etc. Sounds to me like if they really found WMDs, Bush wouldn't have to circle his toe in the ground like that.
 

Brutuskend

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: NFactor
Wow...you are completely out of it. Just to remind you Colin Powell yesterday admitted that Iraq may not have had weapons of mass destruction, and that is besides saying that there has been no job growth in the past few years. That is sure heading the country in the right direction, look, i have no problem with going to war with Iraq. Hussein needed to be removed, what i do have a problem with is Bush lying to the country about WMD then rushing it and using it as an excuse to go to war. If he wanted to do something he should have trusted America and told us the truth. It is just as bad as Clinton's, "I have not had sexual relations with that woman" line.
Clinton porking that fatty brought shame to all hetrosexual American Men, not because he lied, but because he is the Leader of the Free World and that was the best he could do!

You got THAT right!
 

BaboonGuy

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I seriously doubt the people responsible for those specific crimes have been captured/killed by the US under Bush. And the argument that Bush has people on it is complete BS. Clinton did too, in a much much much better way too. Instead of openly going after them so that the whole world knows your plans and where you will be looking, Clinton did it covertly. Not only does this have a better chance of finding said peoples (see failure to capture Osama), but it also does NOT risk hundreds of American lives.

And who's to say that under Clinton 9/11 wouldn't have happened? As I recall, the government under Bush received ample notice that it was going to happen, and ignored it.