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Bush calling off full-blown offensive in Fallujah? EDIT: Mosque attacked

Not too much upside and a way lot of downside.

They (WE) should establish a 'seige' stategy in that area. Encircle the area and let them (the bad guys) be forced to make the stupid moves..
 
We should pull out and let them solve their own problems now that we eliminted the nuclear threat aand eliminated the three freaks.
 
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Not too much upside and a way lot of downside.

They (WE) should establish a 'seige' stategy in that area. Encircle the area and let them (the bad guys) be forced to make the stupid moves..
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No electricity, food, and water for a while and you'll see a lot of people willing to come out and surrender their weapons.
 
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Not too much upside and a way lot of downside.

They (WE) should establish a 'seige' stategy in that area. Encircle the area and let them (the bad guys) be forced to make the stupid moves..
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No electricity, food, and water for a while and you'll see a lot of people willing to come out and surrender their weapons.
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They don't have electricity, food or water because the coalition has failed to to do what they promised. Thats why they are pissed of and shooting at all foreigners.
 
They don't have electricity, food or water because the coalition has failed to to do what they promised.
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Should we take that as your personal opinion, or do you have a link to back that up? From what I've heard, the supply of electricity and water hasn't been an issue for awhile. If anything, it's the lack of gainful employment driving many to vent out their frustration.

Thats why they are pissed of and shooting at all foreigners.
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Yeah, I'm sure the actions of a stupid militant cleric bent on creating a seat of power for himself has absolutely nothing to do with it.
 
Fallujah has been pissed off since shortly after the invasion whne the paratroopers had to kill 17 people during a demonstration. I am not sure how you recover from that 1st meeting.
 
They should declare any and all buildings that are used as stockpiles for weapons or as bases as legit targets.

Then level each and every single one of them by the end of that day.
 
I didn't see in the article where we destroyed a mosque. It says a minaret was leveled.

Are minarets mosques? If not, are all minarets part of mosques, or are some/many minarets stand alone structures?

Inquiring minds want to know.
 
The minarets is a tower attached to a mosk that the muezzin climbs to call the faithful to prayer. It's like a church tower with a human bell.
 
"After taking fire from a minaret tower used to call Muslims to prayer, the Marines called in close air support, destroying the 60-foot-tall structure, Marines said."

They didn't really "level" the whole mosque, just a part of it, and for good reason. We can't let them have "safety" or "time out" zones. We're going to catch a lot of flak for doing it, but we should destroy any building they decide to shoot from. They're the ones blowing up their own mosques IMO.


In the larger scope of things, I don't think we're ever going to "win" in this town at this point. Too many mistakes and F'ups have occured, and we just don't have to people on our side and I don't see any reason for them to come over anytime soon (perhaps years.) We only had one chance to do this right and we blew it. Right now I think the objective is to keep the place from going to hell and get out without leaving too big of a mess behind.
 
Originally posted by: Hafen
"After taking fire from a minaret tower used to call Muslims to prayer, the Marines called in close air support, destroying the 60-foot-tall structure, Marines said."

They didn't really "level" the whole mosque, just a part of it, and for good reason. We can't let them have "safety" or "time out" zones. We're going to catch a lot of flak for doing it, but we should destroy any building they decide to shoot from. They're the ones blowing up their own mosques IMO.


In the larger scope of things, I don't think we're ever going to "win" in this town at this point. Too many mistakes and F'ups have occured, and we just don't have to people on our side and I don't see any reason for them to come over anytime soon (perhaps years.) We only had one chance to do this right and we blew it. Right now I think the objective is to keep the place from going to hell and get out without leaving too big of a mess behind.
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No good can come from below up all or parts of mosques. Do you think the people their have as little attention span as your average american? What will happen is that the iraqis will reduce the violence until troops levels in and around the city decrease and then all the pissed off iraqis would had their mosque blown up will come out of the wood work shooting.
 
Originally posted by: DaFinn
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Not too much upside and a way lot of downside.

They (WE) should establish a 'seige' stategy in that area. Encircle the area and let them (the bad guys) be forced to make the stupid moves..
Click to expand...

No electricity, food, and water for a while and you'll see a lot of people willing to come out and surrender their weapons.
Click to expand...
They don't have electricity, food or water because the coalition has failed to to do what they promised. That?s why they are pissed of and shooting at all foreigners.
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I understand this is what air-America may have told you, but none of the facts i could find back this up.

simple logic.

Without food and water: they would die.
they are still alive
thus, they have food and water.
 
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: Hafen
"After taking fire from a minaret tower used to call Muslims to prayer, the Marines called in close air support, destroying the 60-foot-tall structure, Marines said."

They didn't really "level" the whole mosque, just a part of it, and for good reason. We can't let them have "safety" or "time out" zones. We're going to catch a lot of flak for doing it, but we should destroy any building they decide to shoot from. They're the ones blowing up their own mosques IMO.


In the larger scope of things, I don't think we're ever going to "win" in this town at this point. Too many mistakes and F'ups have occured, and we just don't have to people on our side and I don't see any reason for them to come over anytime soon (perhaps years.) We only had one chance to do this right and we blew it. Right now I think the objective is to keep the place from going to hell and get out without leaving too big of a mess behind.
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No good can come from below up all or parts of mosques. Do you think the people their have as little attention span as your average american? What will happen is that the iraqis will reduce the violence until troops levels in and around the city decrease and then all the pissed off iraqis would had their mosque blown up will come out of the wood work shooting.
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Huh? You should really work on those English skills by the way, or use a better translator..

From a tactical standpoint, if you're taking fire from somewhere, YOU SHOOT BACK! WTF do you NOT UNDERSTAND about that?
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: Hafen
"After taking fire from a minaret tower used to call Muslims to prayer, the Marines called in close air support, destroying the 60-foot-tall structure, Marines said."

They didn't really "level" the whole mosque, just a part of it, and for good reason. We can't let them have "safety" or "time out" zones. We're going to catch a lot of flak for doing it, but we should destroy any building they decide to shoot from. They're the ones blowing up their own mosques IMO.


In the larger scope of things, I don't think we're ever going to "win" in this town at this point. Too many mistakes and F'ups have occured, and we just don't have to people on our side and I don't see any reason for them to come over anytime soon (perhaps years.) We only had one chance to do this right and we blew it. Right now I think the objective is to keep the place from going to hell and get out without leaving too big of a mess behind.
Click to expand...

No good can come from below up all or parts of mosques. Do you think the people their have as little attention span as your average american? What will happen is that the iraqis will reduce the violence until troops levels in and around the city decrease and then all the pissed off iraqis would had their mosque blown up will come out of the wood work shooting.
Click to expand...

Huh? You should really work on those English skills by the way, or use a better translator..

From a tactical standpoint, if you're taking fire from somewhere, YOU SHOOT BACK! WTF do you NOT UNDERSTAND about that?
Click to expand...

Yeah blowing up mosque is going to bring peace. If some one blow up your church would you want pay bacK, I know I would. We can not have overwhelming force in the city right now and we don't want to have to have overwhelming forces in that city for the next 50 years so we need a to follow a path to peace and stop pissing off people.

Blowing up a mosque maybe a tactical advatage for the next 15 minutes but long term it is a stupid decision. We killed what 5 targets. I bet at least 50 military age men prayed at that mosque do you really think that none of them will want to take up arms against us?
 
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: Hafen
"After taking fire from a minaret tower used to call Muslims to prayer, the Marines called in close air support, destroying the 60-foot-tall structure, Marines said."

They didn't really "level" the whole mosque, just a part of it, and for good reason. We can't let them have "safety" or "time out" zones. We're going to catch a lot of flak for doing it, but we should destroy any building they decide to shoot from. They're the ones blowing up their own mosques IMO.


In the larger scope of things, I don't think we're ever going to "win" in this town at this point. Too many mistakes and F'ups have occured, and we just don't have to people on our side and I don't see any reason for them to come over anytime soon (perhaps years.) We only had one chance to do this right and we blew it. Right now I think the objective is to keep the place from going to hell and get out without leaving too big of a mess behind.
Click to expand...

No good can come from below up all or parts of mosques. Do you think the people their have as little attention span as your average american? What will happen is that the iraqis will reduce the violence until troops levels in and around the city decrease and then all the pissed off iraqis would had their mosque blown up will come out of the wood work shooting.
Click to expand...

Huh? You should really work on those English skills by the way, or use a better translator..

From a tactical standpoint, if you're taking fire from somewhere, YOU SHOOT BACK! WTF do you NOT UNDERSTAND about that?
Click to expand...

Yeah blowing up mosque is going to bring peace. If some one blow up your church would you want pay bacK, I know I would. We can not have overwhelming force in the city right now and we don't want to have to have overwhelming forces in that city for the next 50 years so we need a to follow a path to peace and stop pissing off people.

Blowing up a mosque maybe a tactical advatage for the next 15 minutes but long term it is a stupid decision. We killed what 5 targets. I bet at least 50 military age men prayed at that mosque do you really think that none of them will want to take up arms against us?
Click to expand...

It's about rules of engagement. If someone shoots at you from the high ground, what are you supposed to do, just retreat, or just sit there and let them pick your men off one by one? No... You take them out. Period. It is THEY who are defiling the sanctuary of their OWN mosques.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: Hafen
"After taking fire from a minaret tower used to call Muslims to prayer, the Marines called in close air support, destroying the 60-foot-tall structure, Marines said."

They didn't really "level" the whole mosque, just a part of it, and for good reason. We can't let them have "safety" or "time out" zones. We're going to catch a lot of flak for doing it, but we should destroy any building they decide to shoot from. They're the ones blowing up their own mosques IMO.


In the larger scope of things, I don't think we're ever going to "win" in this town at this point. Too many mistakes and F'ups have occured, and we just don't have to people on our side and I don't see any reason for them to come over anytime soon (perhaps years.) We only had one chance to do this right and we blew it. Right now I think the objective is to keep the place from going to hell and get out without leaving too big of a mess behind.
Click to expand...

No good can come from below up all or parts of mosques. Do you think the people their have as little attention span as your average american? What will happen is that the iraqis will reduce the violence until troops levels in and around the city decrease and then all the pissed off iraqis would had their mosque blown up will come out of the wood work shooting.
Click to expand...

Huh? You should really work on those English skills by the way, or use a better translator..

From a tactical standpoint, if you're taking fire from somewhere, YOU SHOOT BACK! WTF do you NOT UNDERSTAND about that?
Click to expand...

Yeah blowing up mosque is going to bring peace. If some one blow up your church would you want pay bacK, I know I would. We can not have overwhelming force in the city right now and we don't want to have to have overwhelming forces in that city for the next 50 years so we need a to follow a path to peace and stop pissing off people.

Blowing up a mosque maybe a tactical advatage for the next 15 minutes but long term it is a stupid decision. We killed what 5 targets. I bet at least 50 military age men prayed at that mosque do you really think that none of them will want to take up arms against us?
Click to expand...

It's about rules of engagement. If someone shoots at you from the high ground, what are you supposed to do, just retreat, or just sit there and let them pick your men off one by one? No... You take them out. Period. It is THEY who are defiling the sanctuary of their OWN mosques.
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It is US who are occupying THEIR country! And killing THEM! Get the f*** out of there. We werent supposed to be there in the first place. Are you stupid or are you trying really hard to be stupid?
 
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