Bush asks for $30 billion more to fight AIDS

[Nemesis 1]

I don't care if you attack me. But why you making fun of this fella that had no control over who or what he is. http://www.erichufschmid.net/Dumb-down/super-retard.JPG

Using him to describe what you think of me . Had zero effect on myself. But why you making fun of this fella? I have read your post . Like I have many others. Your just a guy with an opinion . But you sir don't care who you muck or what tool ya use to do it with. I feel a little bad for ya. But people like yourself get zero compassion from myself.

Talk about ignorance this ones for you

 

[homercles337]

Abstinence only programs for aids prevention do not work.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
There's got to be a hidden agenda. Bush does not care that much about people.

This is part of the compassionate conservative thing.

LMAO, you should do stand up man... 😀

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: sirjonk
So let's chalk this up to a disagreement of priorities, but it's still an admirable use of money provided it 15B of it isn't tied to requirements that abstinence education be pushed, cuz nothing works like telling people "just say no", especially to sex.

Gee, shocker.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...p_on_re_af/bush_africa

DAR ES SALAAM, Tanzania - President Bush on Sunday said Congress should renew his global AIDS program and preserve a requirement that steers money into abstinence efforts.

Some Democrats want to eliminate a provision in the bill that requires one-third of all prevention spending go to abstinence-until-marriage programs.

Bush is pushing to renew the program at $30 billion over five years, twice his original commitment. Congress has put more than $18 billion into it so far. It is the largest effort to ever target an infectious disease.

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Fiscal conservatism at work. We have homeless vets, other diseases that need curing/research in the US, millions without healthcare, and we're not only giving billions away, we're literally throwing it out on a "just say no" program.

Less than a year to go, less than a year to go...

I think you read that wrong. The bill requires 1/3 of the "prevention spending", specifically, to go towards an abstinence program while "prevention spending" is only one small portion of the entire 30 billion dollar commitment.

In other words, it's 1/3 of a smaller portion of the bill, not 1/3 of the entire bill.

The man can't win for tryin' with some of you folks...

Personally, global medical research is one of the few areas in which I support high spending, so :thumbsup:

Why earmark any of it for prevention spending that doesn't prevent anything? I suppose it's better that the Republicans only want to waste SOME of the money, but wouldn't it be better if none of it was wasted?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Bush has been carving money out of the budget to fight aids since shortly after his first election. Of course nobody wanted to hear that then, and don't want to hear it now.

I totally disagree with most everything Bush says about immigration, but I have to hand him kudos for AIDS research and support. The United States gives more than all other countries combined to fight AIDS.

The United States also gives more than all other countries combined for Humanitarian relief for unexploded ordinance/landmine removal. That hasn't changed under Bush. The guys an idiot where immigration policies are conerned, but for humanitarian (maybe he thinks unregulated immigration is humane?) he is good to go in my book.

edited for poor keyboard skills as usual!!

Hi bro, long time no see, i hope all is well with you.

Bush has een sending money to drug companies that have accomplished a twat that won't leak, that's about it, the real world research on stem cells to actually find a cure goes on in other parts of the world for obvious reasons, the virus still evolves last i heard, i'm just waiting for it to become airborne, as it will sooner or later, then we better have a fucking vaccine, not some medCo's earning more money than they can spend.

Immigration is your shit so i won't comment on it, suffice to say that i would be perfectly happy with open British borders, especially after this stupid arse war where 99% of all refugees end up in EU countries anyway.

The last statement is complete and utter bullshit, per capita, both privately and through the tax dollar, the US is nowhere near the top, per GDP, you give less than some African countries, as a whole, it becomes a lot but since most Americans only like to view the EU as one big nation, do a comparison there, in no way, in no matter, not per capita, not as a whole, not per GDP do you even come close.

Are you ok?

 

[superstition]

How much money is going to religious organizations? Is this funding just another stealth way of funding evangelicals with taxes, another "faith-based initiative"?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Wow. So billions of dollars are mandated to be spent on a technique that's been proven to be completely ineffectual. There might as well be a provision that one-third of all prevention spending money goes into a big furnace.

So billions are being spent to prevent a disease that is easily preventable? I mean AIDS isnt cancer. You dont just wake up one day and OH SHIT! You have AIDS! Fuck?! How did this happen?!

Cancer on the other hand is like that. You can life the healthiest, safest lifestyle possible and you can still get it.

Spending money to fight AIDS is like spending money to fight drug use. It wastes a lot of money and really doesnt do much.

Simple solution to AIDS? Keep your damn legs closed. If you cant manage THAT feat at LEAST wear a damned condom.

While I dont disagree with spending money to fight diseases, I do think perhaps theres better diseases we could be trying to treat.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
There's got to be a hidden agenda. Bush does not care that much about people.

This is part of the compassionate conservative thing.

are you saying this isnt a political stunt..considering that we have problems here and such bush and his "supporters" are such gung ho americans maybe they should think about that ..but no..this all flash no substance garbage will continue

what percentage of these dollars is wasted on bs..or subject to insane overcharging just like the war-time contracts where we foot the bill for a 900 dollar toilet

$900 toilets are to cover for blackops spending.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
HIV cases on the rise among America's youth for the first time after years of steady decline
http://health.yahoo.com/news/h...arecontractinghiv.html

Just saw this article and it probably deserves its own thread, but whatever. It points to several factors but the one that I think makes the most sense is that we have a generation coming into their young adulthood who didn't experience with the sexual frightfest of the 80's. Remember the Ryan White story about the boy who got AIDS from a blood transfusion and was then kicked out of school? I still remember the TV movie they made out of it. Today you have drug companies advertising "You can live with AIDS, take your meds!" You got Magic Johnson actually looking healthier today than he used to. Without the looming spectre of gaunt, pale figures in public posters and ad campaigns, young people just aren't scared enough to practice safe sex.

As to the OP http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITI...0/bush.aids/index.html, what annoys me is he vetoed SCHIP which would have cost $35B. I don't think spending 30B on International AIDS research is a priority over providing health coverage for US citizens (mostly children) who don't have health coverage.

So let's chalk this up to a disagreement of priorities, but it's still an admirable use of money provided it 15B of it isn't tied to requirements that abstinence education be pushed, cuz nothing works like telling people "just say no", especially to sex.

You bring in SCHIP, but that was an increase of $35billion. Bring SCHIP spedning to ~$60billion. Also Bush proposed a $19.5billion SCHIP increase in his FY2009 budget. Not the $35billion the Dems wanted, but $13.5billion more than Bush's original plans. If the Dems had negotiated with the Republicans SCHIP would have passed. The fact of the matter is, they did not negotiate and they tried to force it down Republicans throats as a political ploy. Unfortunately for the dems it has failed to work.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
The last statement is complete and utter bullshit, per capita, both privately and through the tax dollar, the US is nowhere near the top, per GDP, you give less than some African countries, as a whole, it becomes a lot but since most Americans only like to view the EU as one big nation, do a comparison there, in no way, in no matter, not per capita, not as a whole, not per GDP do you even come close.

Are you ok?

JoS... I actually posted the real per capita stats recently... here they are again:

Here's a link to some 2002 figures

This site here has the U.S. listed as 9th in the world, as of 2004.

Not too shabby, especially given our population of roughly 300,000,000 legal citizens -- and certainly a lot higher than any African nation.

Damn those pesky facts! 😉

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
As long as not a single dime goes to a nation under fundamentalist islamic rule

AIDS relief organizations don't discriminate.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
So billions are being spent to prevent a disease that is easily preventable? I mean AIDS isnt cancer. You dont just wake up one day and OH SHIT! You have AIDS! Fuck?!

For African babies whose parents had AIDs, yes you do.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
As long as not a single dime goes to a nation under fundamentalist islamic rule

I wish. Instead we think it's wise to pay for the bombs that kill our people.

 

[ericlp]

wtf? Who the hell dragged this old thread back to life?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: sirjonk
So let's chalk this up to a disagreement of priorities, but it's still an admirable use of money provided it 15B of it isn't tied to requirements that abstinence education be pushed, cuz nothing works like telling people "just say no", especially to sex.

Gee, shocker.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...p_on_re_af/bush_africa

DAR ES SALAAM, Tanzania - President Bush on Sunday said Congress should renew his global AIDS program and preserve a requirement that steers money into abstinence efforts.

Some Democrats want to eliminate a provision in the bill that requires one-third of all prevention spending go to abstinence-until-marriage programs.

Bush is pushing to renew the program at $30 billion over five years, twice his original commitment. Congress has put more than $18 billion into it so far. It is the largest effort to ever target an infectious disease.

*******************

Fiscal conservatism at work. We have homeless vets, other diseases that need curing/research in the US, millions without healthcare, and we're not only giving billions away, we're literally throwing it out on a "just say no" program.

Less than a year to go, less than a year to go...

To your bolded part, when will they realize these programs don't work and the youths they are aimed at won't abstain and their kids won't abstain and so on. It is more doomed from the get go than the war on drugs.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If the money we spend in Iraq went to medical research on the real diseases that kill most people instead of the ones that kill people with money for health care the lives of countless millions could be saved. But everything is about I me me mine and money.

Silly... if they cured the disease the pharmas wouldn't be able to sell you meds to keep you alive for the rest of your life. Our economy is in the shitter enough as it is without putting one giant sector of it completely out of business. Why do you hate America?

Lots of practice, I guess.