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Bush asks for $30 billion more to fight AIDS
- Thread starter gururu2
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Bush has been carving money out of the budget to fight aids since shortly after his first election. Of course nobody wanted to hear that then, and don't want to hear it now.
I totally disagree with most everything Bush says about immigration, but I have to hand him kudos for AIDS research and support. The United States gives more than all other countries combined to fight AIDS.
The United States also gives more than all other countries combined for Humanitarian relief for unexploded ordinance/landmine removal. That hasn't changed under Bush. The guys an idiot where immigration policies are conerned, but for humanitarian (maybe he thinks unregulated immigration is humane?) he is good to go in my book.
edited for poor keyboard skills as usual!!
I totally disagree with most everything Bush says about immigration, but I have to hand him kudos for AIDS research and support. The United States gives more than all other countries combined to fight AIDS.
The United States also gives more than all other countries combined for Humanitarian relief for unexploded ordinance/landmine removal. That hasn't changed under Bush. The guys an idiot where immigration policies are conerned, but for humanitarian (maybe he thinks unregulated immigration is humane?) he is good to go in my book.
edited for poor keyboard skills as usual!!
LumbergTech
Diamond Member
are you saying this isnt a political stunt..considering that we have problems here and such bush and his "supporters" are such gung ho americans maybe they should think about that ..but no..this all flash no substance garbage will continue
what percentage of these dollars is wasted on bs..or subject to insane overcharging just like the war-time contracts where we foot the bill for a 900 dollar toilet
MagicConch
Golden Member
Did he say where he wants the money to come out from?
jonks
Lifer
HIV cases on the rise among America's youth for the first time after years of steady decline
http://health.yahoo.com/news/h...arecontractinghiv.html
Just saw this article and it probably deserves its own thread, but whatever. It points to several factors but the one that I think makes the most sense is that we have a generation coming into their young adulthood who didn't experience with the sexual frightfest of the 80's. Remember the Ryan White story about the boy who got AIDS from a blood transfusion and was then kicked out of school? I still remember the TV movie they made out of it. Today you have drug companies advertising "You can live with AIDS, take your meds!" You got Magic Johnson actually looking healthier today than he used to. Without the looming spectre of gaunt, pale figures in public posters and ad campaigns, young people just aren't scared enough to practice safe sex.
As to the OP http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITI...0/bush.aids/index.html, what annoys me is he vetoed SCHIP which would have cost $35B. I don't think spending 30B on International AIDS research is a priority over providing health coverage for US citizens (mostly children) who don't have health coverage.
So let's chalk this up to a disagreement of priorities, but it's still an admirable use of money provided it 15B of it isn't tied to requirements that abstinence education be pushed, cuz nothing works like telling people "just say no", especially to sex.
http://health.yahoo.com/news/h...arecontractinghiv.html
Just saw this article and it probably deserves its own thread, but whatever. It points to several factors but the one that I think makes the most sense is that we have a generation coming into their young adulthood who didn't experience with the sexual frightfest of the 80's. Remember the Ryan White story about the boy who got AIDS from a blood transfusion and was then kicked out of school? I still remember the TV movie they made out of it. Today you have drug companies advertising "You can live with AIDS, take your meds!" You got Magic Johnson actually looking healthier today than he used to. Without the looming spectre of gaunt, pale figures in public posters and ad campaigns, young people just aren't scared enough to practice safe sex.
As to the OP http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITI...0/bush.aids/index.html, what annoys me is he vetoed SCHIP which would have cost $35B. I don't think spending 30B on International AIDS research is a priority over providing health coverage for US citizens (mostly children) who don't have health coverage.
So let's chalk this up to a disagreement of priorities, but it's still an admirable use of money provided it 15B of it isn't tied to requirements that abstinence education be pushed, cuz nothing works like telling people "just say no", especially to sex.
jonks
Lifer
Gee, shocker.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...p_on_re_af/bush_africa
DAR ES SALAAM, Tanzania - President Bush on Sunday said Congress should renew his global AIDS program and preserve a requirement that steers money into abstinence efforts.
Some Democrats want to eliminate a provision in the bill that requires one-third of all prevention spending go to abstinence-until-marriage programs.
Bush is pushing to renew the program at $30 billion over five years, twice his original commitment. Congress has put more than $18 billion into it so far. It is the largest effort to ever target an infectious disease.
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Fiscal conservatism at work. We have homeless vets, other diseases that need curing/research in the US, millions without healthcare, and we're not only giving billions away, we're literally throwing it out on a "just say no" program.
Less than a year to go, less than a year to go...
Nemesis 1
Lifer
Really . I would think a true conservatine would neither judge or help people who go up against God.
Now there are gays who are natural from birth . This doesn't go against God. But being permissive does. Having many sex partners does. Going both ways does.
I have know problem with aids as me or mine won't ever contract this Sickness . But there are people in the world who are innocent of wrong doing that get this sickness. I have compassion for them . But to say I have compassion for unnatural gays or permissive people with many sex partners . I have no compassion for these at all.
For me its not about right or wrong but about self control. It,s like fat people many can't help it. But the ones that are Fat because they have no self control. They get what they deserve. Same with aids . No self control and you get aids . TO bad.
palehorse
Lifer
I think you read that wrong. The bill requires 1/3 of the "prevention spending", specifically, to go towards an abstinence program while "prevention spending" is only one small portion of the entire 30 billion dollar commitment.
In other words, it's 1/3 of a smaller portion of the bill, not 1/3 of the entire bill.
The man can't win for tryin' with some of you folks...
Personally, global medical research is one of the few areas in which I support high spending, so :thumbsup:
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
Silly... if they cured the disease the pharmas wouldn't be able to sell you meds to keep you alive for the rest of your life. Our economy is in the shitter enough as it is without putting one giant sector of it completely out of business. Why do you hate America?
Spend all of it on circumcisions, condoms, and educating Africans on why they need circumcisions and condoms.
Very interesting article on paternalism in Africa: http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_paternalism.html
Very interesting article on paternalism in Africa: http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_paternalism.html
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