Bush approves only of heterosexual marriage

[conjur]

Originally posted by: gordy

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: gordy

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: gordy
answer this conjur and djheater:

given a choice, would you have a homosexual child?

i'm expecting a yes or no answer, not an it depends..blah , blah blah into some long yarn..

until you answer that consider yourself pwned.

pwned? How so? Because you say so? I don't think so, Mr. Homophobe.

If my daughters come to me and say, dad, I think I'm gay, it wouldn't bother me at all. We'd sit and talk about her feelings, when she started feeling that way, what she plans to do, etc. I wouldn't scare the hell out of her nor disown her like you probably would.

didnt answer the question, yes you're pwned, if had your true convictions as you state it should be as easy as a choice of peas or corn as a side dish...

Uh...yes, I did answer your question.

Now....stfu.

hmmm, it was a yes or no answer.... not a bunch of diatribe.... try again bub...

Three sentences is a diatribe? And you couldn't discern a 'yes' answer from those three sentences?

You truly are grasping at straws.

Ok...for your feeble closed-mind...if my daughter was gay, yes, I'd accept it. Happy now?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JohnCU
It's scary how many of you support gay marriages.

<--- used to southern people and their opinions and morals

I think that I will now take this opportunity to offer my opinion on the institution of marriage in these United States...

A man and a woman stand up in their church or their courthouse and then they take a solemn oath before either their God and/or their government to take the other in marriage "for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health, for better or for worse, forsaking all others, 'til death do us part."

And then they get a divorce 5 years later... :disgust:

Unless there was abuse, infidelity, or some other injustice, how can one break a solemn vow like that?

Anyway, that's what I think.... if the gays want to join the "we're all big fat liars and oath-breakers" club, I say let 'em...

Cause no one cares anymore. Those are the same people who go to clubs every other night looking for a woman or man to bring home for a one night fling. Really, morals have gone out the window.

Nice generalization.  

 

[gordy]

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Why don't YOU answer the questions he posed instead of attacking him?

everyone else seems to answer it for me,

I would choose straight.

now how about you lil cowpoke, it's YOUR turn

 

[fastz28]

The point here isn't about against gay, it's about the role of government on morality.

Answer me this, what's your opinion on our law against polygamy? That's the closest parallel I can think of - an union between consenting adults, no one's getting hurt.

How do you support law against polygamy? I don't see any of you getting fired up about government's law prohibiting polygamy.

 

[JohnCU]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JohnCU
It's scary how many of you support gay marriages.

<--- used to southern people and their opinions and morals

I think that I will now take this opportunity to offer my opinion on the institution of marriage in these United States...

A man and a woman stand up in their church or their courthouse and then they take a solemn oath before either their God and/or their government to take the other in marriage "for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health, for better or for worse, forsaking all others, 'til death do us part."

And then they get a divorce 5 years later... :disgust:

Unless there was abuse, infidelity, or some other injustice, how can one break a solemn vow like that?

Anyway, that's what I think.... if the gays want to join the "we're all big fat liars and oath-breakers" club, I say let 'em...

Cause no one cares anymore. Those are the same people who go to clubs every other night looking for a woman or man to bring home for a one night fling. Really, morals have gone out the window.

Nice generalization.  

It's not a generalization, it's the truth. Stop rolling your fvcking eyes.

 

[gordy]

Originally posted by: conjur Happy now?

OMG, you still havent got it....

<huff> say it was a freakin vending machine, would you pluu the "Straight Child" lever or the "Gay Child" lever

gawd, i'm tired of it too, let's go grab a beer and call it a day... it's on me

😎

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: Netopia

Do we have consenting adults in a murder case? No.
Do we have consenting adults in an armed robbery? No.
Do we have consenting adults in a rape? No.
Do we have consenting adults in a burglary? No.

Get the point yet???

Sure... just wish you did.

What about brothers marrying sisters... that's illegal even if they consent. What about speeding? What about two people planning thier own murders (joint assisted suicide)? What about two people having sex in public? What about someone choosing to shoot heroin or smoke crack? MOST laws prohibit consenting adults from doing things which don't necessarily DIRECTLY injure anyone else.

Look at all of the evil people in this world!!!

I see that you equate a person's action as the definition of the person. I don't. The person may do something evil (are there ANY of us that don't at some point) and yet the person himself is not evil. Likewise, just because a person does something good, that doesn't make them a good person.

conjur... I'm stunned! I can't believe that Webster's uses that idiotic definition. It's like calling a claustrophobic someone who "discriminates" against small places. Just stupid! But, as you pointed out... they have accepted that definition for some time.

Yes, I read your entire post and found little merit in it. Where in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights does it say that homosexuality is morally wrong or evil?

It doesn't. But are you to shallow to be able to look to the other writings of the people who put that constitution together in order to understand how THEY wanted us to interpret it? As was quoted, the constitution is inadequate to govern anything but a moral and religious people. Why do you think they said that?

Murder harms someone, but I'd be hard-pressed to see where homosexuality or gay marriage is harming someone.

Do a quick search for "Gay Bowel Syndrome".

I bet he hates blacks, too! Another with nothing intelligent to say so he starts with 7th grade derogatories.

Joe

::snort:: As if everyone is going to interpret the Constitution the same way, regardless of what the Founding Fathers wanted us to think. The Supreme Court's main function is interpreting the Constitution and they don't always agree either. There are plenty of people who are not religious, yet obey the law. Also, religion DOES NOT, repeat, DOES NOT have a monopoly on "good and moral" behavior. Witness the brouhaha over Catholic priests molesting kids, for example. If you can specifically show me something that proves George Washington or any of the Founding Fathers was specifically aimed at homosexuality being "wrong" or "immoral", then we'll talk.

The same argument about interpreting can also easily be applied to the Bible. Why are there so many different cults and variants on the Christian religion? Because they interpret the Bible differently, regardless of whatever might have been originally intended. It could very well be interpreted to support homosexuality, for all we know.

I searched briefly for "Gay Bowel Syndrome". Unless it's some magical "gay-only" syndrome, I'm sure this would be possible with hetero couples having anal sex regularly and at the same time afflicted with the venereal diseases mentioned. In any case, my point was that homosexuality/gay marriage is not harming ANYONE ELSE other than the people involved.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: gordy

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Why don't YOU answer the questions he posed instead of attacking him?

everyone else seems to answer it for me,

I would choose straight.

now how about you lil cowpoke, it's YOUR turn

I'm sorry, how exactly did that answer my question? Oh yes...it didn't. I'll ask again:

.....even when they bring home their same-sex SO for dinner? To Christmas to meet the extended family? Move in with them? Ask you and the rest of the family to attend a commitment ceremony? Ask you how you feel about gay marriage? Then what, Mr Embrace The Gay Offspring?

In short; you say you'll embrace a gay child. This means you'll have to embrace all of the above. How can you do so?

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: gordy

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Why don't YOU answer the questions he posed instead of attacking him?

everyone else seems to answer it for me,

I would choose straight.

now how about you lil cowpoke, it's YOUR turn

Wow, what a surprise. HE CHOOSES STRAIGHT! Oh my, we're so OWNED.

In case you didn't notice, I answered this question a long time ago when you first posed it. Read back a page or two and find it.

Cliff Notes: I don't care one way or the other. I would love them as my own child. Clear? Don't start with the "pwned" sh!t again, either.

 

[Wuffsunie]

Originally posted by: gordy
Wrong, its about preserving what little innocence my children have these days, in a secluar, self-indulgent, immoral society we have today...

That's the thing I never got about innocence. The way people like you state it, it always sounds like naivety. Thus, we should keep kids ignorant of the world as long as possible so that they maintain that purity and innocence.

We say it's so great and all, and praise it and protect it as much as we can, but simply by the way things work we must lose it. Sex is seen as one of the ultimate things in the death of innocence, according to some people. But sex is rather necessary to keep our miserable race going. Then there's the fact that what is considered innocent in a child is considered harmful and difficent in an adult. Anyway, just some thoughts.

-- Jack

Republicans have been accused of abandoning the poor. It's the other way around. They never vote for us.
-- Vice President Dan Quayle, 1988

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JohnCU
It's scary how many of you support gay marriages.

<--- used to southern people and their opinions and morals

I think that I will now take this opportunity to offer my opinion on the institution of marriage in these United States...

A man and a woman stand up in their church or their courthouse and then they take a solemn oath before either their God and/or their government to take the other in marriage "for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health, for better or for worse, forsaking all others, 'til death do us part."

And then they get a divorce 5 years later... :disgust:

Unless there was abuse, infidelity, or some other injustice, how can one break a solemn vow like that?

Anyway, that's what I think.... if the gays want to join the "we're all big fat liars and oath-breakers" club, I say let 'em...

Cause no one cares anymore. Those are the same people who go to clubs every other night looking for a woman or man to bring home for a one night fling. Really, morals have gone out the window.

Nice generalization.  

It's not a generalization, it's the truth. Stop rolling your fvcking eyes.

You're an idiot and you're still generalizing. 'Nuff said.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: fastz28
The point here isn't about against gay, it's about the role of government on morality.

Answer me this, what's your opinion on our law against polygamy? That's the closest parallel I can think of - an union between consenting adults, no one's getting hurt.

How do you support law against polygamy? I don't see any of you getting fired up about government's law prohibiting polygamy.

Excellent point. Personally, I think we should allow all types of "poly-" marriages as long as all the parties involved are consenting.

 

[gordy]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: gordy

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Why don't YOU answer the questions he posed instead of attacking him?

everyone else seems to answer it for me,

I would choose straight.

now how about you lil cowpoke, it's YOUR turn

I'm sorry, how exactly did that answer my question? Oh yes...it didn't. I'll ask again:

.....even when they bring home their same-sex SO for dinner? To Christmas to meet the extended family? Move in with them? Ask you and the rest of the family to attend a commitment ceremony? Ask you how you feel about gay marriage? Then what, Mr Embrace The Gay Offspring?

In short; you say you'll embrace a gay child. This means you'll have to embrace all of the above. How can you do so?

i said i would half the page up (my profile settings has this on 2 pages since i have it set to like 50 posts per page or something) but i'll requote it :





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Oh...puh-leeze!

I have raised my children to be open-minded and they are wonderful girls. Well behaved and they know the true difference of right and wrong. Not what some holier-than-thou preacher or politician says they should think and do.
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Mine too.

May God bless you with a gay child gordy.
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The sad thing is that any child of gordy's who realizes he/she is gay will probably kill themselves rather than come out to a parent who would shun and disown them.

And no, I'm not kidding.
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and just why do you think i would disown or shun them?
If its a crime to let my kids have a nice clean childhood, lock me up.
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If idiocy were a crime, you'd be serving consecutive life sentences.

So then....what would you do if/when one of your kids (assuming you're even married) comes out to you? Embrace them or send them to a camp to have them "reprogrammed"? Do tell.
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i have a 19 year old step daughter, a 13 year old daughter, and a 3 1/2 year old son, embrace them.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: JohnCU
It's scary how many of you support gay marriages.

<--- used to southern people and their opinions and morals

I think that I will now take this opportunity to offer my opinion on the institution of marriage in these United States...

A man and a woman stand up in their church or their courthouse and then they take a solemn oath before either their God and/or their government to take the other in marriage "for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health, for better or for worse, forsaking all others, 'til death do us part."

And then they get a divorce 5 years later... :disgust:

Unless there was abuse, infidelity, or some other injustice, how can one break a solemn vow like that?

Anyway, that's what I think.... if the gays want to join the "we're all big fat liars and oath-breakers" club, I say let 'em...

Cause no one cares anymore. Those are the same people who go to clubs every other night looking for a woman or man to bring home for a one night fling. Really, morals have gone out the window.

Nice generalization.  

It's not a generalization, it's the truth. Stop rolling your fvcking eyes.

Yes, it is. You said the people getting divorces 5 years after their wedding are the same people looking for a one-night stand in clubs every other night.

Now...how in the hell is that not a generalization?

EVERY divorce that occurs after 5 years of marriage is because the husband is out screwing chicks from bars all the time? Or the wife is screwing guys from bars all the time?

Get a clue and I'll

if I want to because you are flat out wrong and you know it

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: gordy

Originally posted by: conjur Happy now?

OMG, you still havent got it....

<huff> say it was a freakin vending machine, would you pluu the "Straight Child" lever or the "Gay Child" lever

gawd, i'm tired of it too, let's go grab a beer and call it a day... it's on me

😎

Answer: neither. That's a loaded question. You put your half of the genetic equation for a child into the mix and you love whatever appears in your life. I don't care if the kid comes out gay or straight, I just want them to be happy.

 

[Wuffsunie]

Originally posted by: Stark
(and if you don't, go watch a gay porno and tell me it's a "good" thing).

*Grins* I gotta be a bastard and pick on this one point.

How many prono movies have you watched that have had lesbian sex in them, in part or in whole? Walk into any porno shop and tell me that they don't consider gay sex a VERY good thing 😀

-- Jack

Morality is simply the attitude we adopt toward people we personally dislike.
-- Oscar Wilde

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Stark
What's so funny is that for the past 5000 years since civilization arose in Mesopotamia, no nation/state has ever had legalized homosexual marriages (in part because there was never any benefit for gays to do so). 90+% of the world's population today and throughout history has considered gay sex a bad thing (and if you don't, go watch a gay porno and tell me it's a "good" thing).

Now that Bush Jr echoes those ideas, he's labeled an oppressive bible thumper who hates gays and wants to deny them equal rights.

Show me which civilizatons have labeled it a "bad thing". In all my studies of history, the only religions that have labeled it as a negative thing were the big three monotheistic religions, and if you know anything about history you know that homosexuality was a rampant and socially-accepted practice from the Greeks up to Victorian society at the beginning of this century. It's only been in Protestant America that this has really caught this much flak.

 

[Vic]

How do you people even read through all these nested quotes? 😕

Or do you... ? 😉 😛

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: gordy

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Morals are different for everyone.

exactly! i agree, i don't want militant homosexuality shoved down my kids throat at 6 years old..
let my kids be kids and enjoy the innocence of youth.

Riiiight. Better sell your TV and never let them leave the house until they turn 18. Wouldn't want them to be exposed to anything else that might be considered "immoral" in your book.

Of course! Since we all know that children don't experiment, or learn new things about their bodies, or any of that filth! I mean, who needs to grow up a healthy, well-adjusted individual with a healthy self-image. They need to know that any male-male contact is wrong!

 

[gordy]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: gordy

Originally posted by: conjur Happy now?

OMG, you still havent got it....

<huff> say it was a freakin vending machine, would you pluu the "Straight Child" lever or the "Gay Child" lever

gawd, i'm tired of it too, let's go grab a beer and call it a day... it's on me

😎

Answer: neither. That's a loaded question. You put your half of the genetic equation for a child into the mix and you love whatever appears in your life. I don't care if the kid comes out gay or straight, I just want them to be happy.

its a hypthetical.... besides that wasn't for you, now give conjur his beer back!

 

[Fausto]

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.....even when they bring home their same-sex SO for dinner? To Christmas to meet the extended family? Move in with them? Ask you and the rest of the family to attend a commitment ceremony? Ask you how you feel about gay marriage? Then what, Mr Embrace The Gay Offspring?
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In short; you say you'll embrace a gay child. This means you'll have to embrace all of the above. How can you do so?
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i said i would half the page up (my profile settings has this on 2 pages since i have it set to like 50 posts per page or something) but i'll requote it :

So, you're therefore in favor of gay marriage, right? Then WTF are you arguing about in this thread?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: gordy

Originally posted by: conjur Happy now?

OMG, you still havent got it....

<huff> say it was a freakin vending machine, would you pluu the "Straight Child" lever or the "Gay Child" lever

gawd, i'm tired of it too, let's go grab a beer and call it a day... it's on me

😎

I think I see what you're trying to ask (you poorly worded your question before). You want to know that, if I had a choice that my children were born gay or not or if I was to have another child and could choose its sexual preference, what would I choose?

1) The question is completely ridiculous. Might as well ask if I could choose to have a 7' future basketball star or a future Einstein or a future Churchill
2) I would answer, straight, solely for the fact that there are many closed-minded bigots in this world who would choose to taunt, jeer, discriminate, etc. against my child solely for their sexual preference, which, btw, in NO WAY affects anyone else!

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: gordy

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: gordy

Originally posted by: conjur Happy now?

OMG, you still havent got it....

<huff> say it was a freakin vending machine, would you pluu the "Straight Child" lever or the "Gay Child" lever

gawd, i'm tired of it too, let's go grab a beer and call it a day... it's on me

😎

Answer: neither. That's a loaded question. You put your half of the genetic equation for a child into the mix and you love whatever appears in your life. I don't care if the kid comes out gay or straight, I just want them to be happy.

its a hypthetical.... besides that wasn't for you, now give conjur his beer back!

Well then hypothetically, I'd blindfold myself, have someone spin me around and hit a lever at random. Give me a healthy child is all I ask.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: gordy

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: gordy

Originally posted by: conjur Happy now?

OMG, you still havent got it....

<huff> say it was a freakin vending machine, would you pluu the "Straight Child" lever or the "Gay Child" lever

gawd, i'm tired of it too, let's go grab a beer and call it a day... it's on me

😎

Answer: neither. That's a loaded question. You put your half of the genetic equation for a child into the mix and you love whatever appears in your life. I don't care if the kid comes out gay or straight, I just want them to be happy.

its a hypthetical.... besides that wasn't for you, now give conjur his beer back!

S'ok...I don't need a beer right now anyway...this new dieting thing and exercise.

Fausto needs it...maybe it will steady his hand when he takes pictures next time! 😛

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: gordy

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: gordy

Originally posted by: conjur Happy now?

OMG, you still havent got it....

<huff> say it was a freakin vending machine, would you pluu the "Straight Child" lever or the "Gay Child" lever

gawd, i'm tired of it too, let's go grab a beer and call it a day... it's on me

😎

Answer: neither. That's a loaded question. You put your half of the genetic equation for a child into the mix and you love whatever appears in your life. I don't care if the kid comes out gay or straight, I just want them to be happy.

its a hypthetical.... besides that wasn't for you, now give conjur his beer back!

S'ok...I don't need a beer right now anyway...this new dieting thing and exercise.

Fausto needs it...maybe it will steady his hand when he takes pictures next time! 😛

The picture of me on the track was taken by a friend. Clearly he was a bit excited at the sight of my awe-inspiring physique clad in spandex.....hence the shaky hands. 😛