Bush Administration prefers profits over fitness??

[Red Dawn]

US questions global obesity plan

Some scientists accuse President Bush's administration of planning to water down proposed junk food regulations, in order to protect big business.

But the US says there is no proof that fast food alone is to blame for the growing epidemic of obesity.

This is only about WHO pushing for lower recommended daily levels of sugar, salt and fat. It's not forcing anybody to abide by them! I mean if you want to be a fat obese slob who looks ridiculous when out in public because the seat of your pants looks like there are two cats fighting in them when you walk down the street the Government isn't going to prevent you!

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
US questions global obesity plan

Some scientists accuse President Bush's administration of planning to water down proposed junk food regulations, in order to protect big business.

But the US says there is no proof that fast food alone is to blame for the growing epidemic of obesity.

This only about WHO pushing for lower recommended daily levels of sugar, salt and fat. It's not forcing anybody to abide by them! I mean if you want to be a fat obese slob who looks ridiculous when out in public because the seat of your pants looks like there are two cats fighting in them when you walk down the street the Government isn't going to prevent you!

Overeating is just one part of the obesity problem.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
US questions global obesity plan

Some scientists accuse President Bush's administration of planning to water down proposed junk food regulations, in order to protect big business.

But the US says there is no proof that fast food alone is to blame for the growing epidemic of obesity.

This only about WHO pushing for lower recommended daily levels of sugar, salt and fat. It's not forcing anybody to abide by them! I mean if you want to be a fat obese slob who looks ridiculous when out in public because the seat of your pants looks like there are two cats fighting in them when you walk down the street the Government isn't going to prevent you!

Overeating is just one part of the obesity problem.

A pretty big part of it. It's not just over eating but eating foods laden with fat and sugar. Our children are being bombarded with ads on TV promoting sh!t like McDonalds (I'm loving it), Taco Bell, Sugary Breakfast Cereals, Candy, Sugary Soft Drinks and the like. Hell even KFC tried to get on the Atkins Band Wagon by saying their fat inducing Greasy Fried Chicken was Atkins approved until it was pulled for false advertising. As it is diabetes is becoming more and more prevelant among Americans , even among children and it's all from eating too much sugar and fat!

What we have is a nation wide if not a world wide health problem that is going to bite us in the ass if nothing is done about it. Right now 2 out of 3 Americans are overweight or obese and our children are getting fatter and fatter. This wasn't a problem a couple of generations ago!

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
US questions global obesity plan

Some scientists accuse President Bush's administration of planning to water down proposed junk food regulations, in order to protect big business.

But the US says there is no proof that fast food alone is to blame for the growing epidemic of obesity.

This only about WHO pushing for lower recommended daily levels of sugar, salt and fat. It's not forcing anybody to abide by them! I mean if you want to be a fat obese slob who looks ridiculous when out in public because the seat of your pants looks like there are two cats fighting in them when you walk down the street the Government isn't going to prevent you!

Overeating is just one part of the obesity problem.

A pretty big part of it. It's not just over eating but eating foods laden with fat and sugar. Our children are being bombarded with ads on TV promoting sh!t like McDonalds (I'm loving it), Taco Bell, Sugary Breakfast Cereals, Candy, Sugary Soft Drinks and the like. Hell even KFC tried to get on the Atkins Band Wagon by saying their fat inducing Greasy Fried Chicken was Atkins approved until it was pulled for false advertising. As it is diabetes is becoming more and more prevelant among Americans , even among children and it's all from eating too much sugar and fat!

What we have is a nation wide if not a world wide health problem that is going to bite us in the ass if nothing is done about it. Right now 2 out of 3 Americans are overweight or obese and our children are getting fatter and fatter. This wasn't a problem a couple of generations ago!

It is a factor. I would say people being inactive is a big, if not bigger factor.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
US questions global obesity plan

Some scientists accuse President Bush's administration of planning to water down proposed junk food regulations, in order to protect big business.

But the US says there is no proof that fast food alone is to blame for the growing epidemic of obesity.

This only about WHO pushing for lower recommended daily levels of sugar, salt and fat. It's not forcing anybody to abide by them! I mean if you want to be a fat obese slob who looks ridiculous when out in public because the seat of your pants looks like there are two cats fighting in them when you walk down the street the Government isn't going to prevent you!

Overeating is just one part of the obesity problem.

A pretty big part of it. It's not just over eating but eating foods laden with fat and sugar. Our children are being bombarded with ads on TV promoting sh!t like McDonalds (I'm loving it), Taco Bell, Sugary Breakfast Cereals, Candy, Sugary Soft Drinks and the like. Hell even KFC tried to get on the Atkins Band Wagon by saying their fat inducing Greasy Fried Chicken was Atkins approved until it was pulled for false advertising. As it is diabetes is becoming more and more prevelant among Americans , even among children and it's all from eating too much sugar and fat!

What we have is a nation wide if not a world wide health problem that is going to bite us in the ass if nothing is done about it. Right now 2 out of 3 Americans are overweight or obese and our children are getting fatter and fatter. This wasn't a problem a couple of generations ago!

It is a factor. I would say people being inactive is a big, if not bigger factor.

I think not being as active probably contibutes to being overweight but not to the obesity problem. That's just over eating and poor dietary habits, especially among children.

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
US questions global obesity planThis only about WHO pushing for lower recommended daily levels of sugar, salt and fat. It's not forcing anybody to abide by them! I mean if you want to be a fat obese slob who looks ridiculous when out in public because the seat of your pants looks like there are two cats fighting in them when you walk down the street the Government isn't going to prevent you!

Nor should they. What's your point?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
US questions global obesity planThis only about WHO pushing for lower recommended daily levels of sugar, salt and fat. It's not forcing anybody to abide by them! I mean if you want to be a fat obese slob who looks ridiculous when out in public because the seat of your pants looks like there are two cats fighting in them when you walk down the street the Government isn't going to prevent you!

Nor should they. What's your point?

That this Administration is reluctant to endorse WHO's recommendation out of fear that it may alienate the lobbyist for the Fast Food Industry

 

[zephyrprime]

This only about WHO pushing for lower recommended daily levels of sugar, salt and fat.

Don't Americans eat a lot more than the recommendation anyway? It's kinda pointless to lower the recommendation when nobody obeys the recommendations anyway.

 

[Strk]

Of course fast food is to blame, however, there are all sorts of food to blame as well. The fact is that most people do not do anything on top of the excessive eating.(ie: eating a number 5 in his or her suburban on the way to work, which involves sitting at a desk all day)

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

This only about WHO pushing for lower recommended daily levels of sugar, salt and fat.

Don't Americans eat a lot more than the recommendation anyway? It's kinda pointless to lower the recommendation when nobody obeys the recommendations anyway.

Sadly you are correct. If I came across blaming Bush for Americans being fat it wasn't intentional. Hell if they would follow his personal example they would be fit and healthy. Hell the most unhealthy thing he eats is a pretzel and that's just because one got stuck in his throat! I hear he runs a seven minute mile. That's not bad for some guy in his 50's.

 

[chess9]

Red:

Well, WHO can recommend until they are blue in the face (But I happen to agree with their recommendations.) and even if Bush agreed it would make no difference I fear. Your heart and mind are in the right place, but the physical lassitude of the American public is enormous and getting worse daily. Parents are principally to blame. Schools that serve junk food come in a close second, with t.v., video games, and computers also contributing.

One day I was out running and a young Korean guy started to pass me. Being the gregarious sort who doesn't like to be passed by mere children 40 years my junior I picked up the pace to run with him. Between my obvious huffing and puffing we had a conversation that went sort of like this:

Korean: You strong man.

Old Person: Thanks, I think.

Korean: Old people in America run more than children? Why?

Old Person: Sheezh, I don't see too many geezers out here, but then I don't see many young people either. This is Florida though-old Americans come here to die. Hot weather prepares us for where we're going.

Korean: Why so many fat people here?

Old Person: What do you mean?

Korean: Americans so fat. They maybe walk little bit.

Old Person: Oh, yeah, keen observation. But we are an advanced culture that's why.

Korean: Is that why you killing self?

Old Person: (not sure what he meant) Uh, I've always run. It keeps me out of country western bars.

Korean: No, no, fat Americans. Advanced?

Old Person: Oh! Sure. They don't need to exercise they think. Their bodies are almost unnecessary.

Korean: They die soon. Why eat in car?

Old Person: You are killing me here. Gotta slow down. Uh, they eat in their cars because they can get more done that way. Making money is very important to Americans.

Korean: What good money if they die soon?

Old Peson: Good point. Gotta slow down now. You go on. I'm running 16 miles today so I can't go that fast. (I said as my nose grew perceptably longer.)

Korean: Bye! (Flashes big grin. Why are Orientals so darn charming all the time?)

Something like that.....

Anyway, Red is right, exercise is not enough. You are what you eat. Eat merde and you will be merde.

My training partner who is the former world power lifting champion and is a personal trainer always supervises his client's diet. If they won't eat right he tells them he won't train them. Why should he waste his time on people who want to lift weights three days a week, but also eat 5 meals a week at McDonald's Mortuary?

-Robert, who did 2 x 2000; 2 x 500 on the rowing ergometer at 8 a.m.

 

[heartsurgeon]

Oh please, next your gonna be blaming Bush for the acne on your nose....
how about some self-control
do you really want the goverment regulating everything?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Oh please, next your gonna be blaming Bush for the acne on your nose....
how about some self-control
do you really want the goverment regulating everything?

Who said anything about the government regulating anything? This is about the US backing WHO's recommendations for less fat and sugar in ones diet. Surely as a Heart Surgeon you would agree that this would be a good thing (even if it is a waste of time with Americans) Of course since you are a Heart Surgeon, if Americans ate healthier you probably wouldn't be able to afford your kid's tuition to Lord Fontleroy's School for pretentious little Bastards!

 

[heartsurgeon]

if Americans ate healthier

HAHAHAHA that's never gonna happen..trust me..i see people all the time who have terrible health problems, have been given advice and education up the wazhoo, know that what they are doing is killing themselves, and they persist in poor eating habits...I offer advice, but i can't make anyone change if they don't want to, and people don't want to change.

even if it is a waste of time with Americans

unfortunately, probably a waste of time in the entire world.

tuition to Lord Fontleroy's School for pretetious little Bastards!

Actually, Bush's tax cut has allowed me to funnel more money into the prentious little bastards trust funds..MUHAHAHHAHA

and it's Little Lord Fauntleroy's School of Prentious Bastards - please, get it right.

besides, i own thousands of shares of MCD (McDonalds for all you unwashed out there), the U.S. market is saturated...I need international growth!!

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

HAHAHAHA that's never gonna happen..trust me..i see people all the time who have terrible health problems, have been given advice and education up the wazhoo, know that what they are doing is killing themselves, and they persist in poor eating habits...I offer advice, but i can't make anyone change if they don't want to, and people don't want to change.

During the ethics class last semester, our prof made some interesting statements along these lines. Because he'd completed his doctorate at UT-Galveston, he had access to quite a bit of medical literature. At any rate, according to the prof, for every 10,000 pages of literature regarding transplants or the treatment of AIDs, there was perhaps one paragraph on preventive medicine. Kinda makes me wonder where we are headed sometimes.

besides, i own thousands of shares of MCD (McDonalds for all you unwashed out there), the U.S. market is saturated...I need international growth!!

No need for that. You already have great international growth potential with Ronald. MCD possesses significant international exposure with stores in many countries. Additionally, with the gradually widening disparity between the $ and the ?, look for increased company profits during the upcoming quarter and year. Besides, when the currency traders have had enough of the ?, the $ will firm up again and wipe out the gains made. This happened in 93-95 and it'll happen again.

Finally, one caveat of international investing I always like to remember is that there exists a real difference between Taco Bell (Telefonos De Mexico), the Baby Bells and Ma Bell.

 

[heartsurgeon]

I need international growth!!

I'm thinking CHINA! yehaw...zillions of burgers yet to be sold!

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
besides, i own thousands of shares of MCD (McDonalds for all you unwashed out there), the U.S. market is saturated...I need international growth!!

The problem with this is that too many have already had the same idea apparently. MCD is as high as it was in 1998 in the "internet bubble" (which IMO hasn't burst yet), and has a P/E of 31.17. While that would be a good P/E in an exponential growth industry like semiconductors, for a food chain it's not so good.

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
US questions global obesity planThis only about WHO pushing for lower recommended daily levels of sugar, salt and fat. It's not forcing anybody to abide by them! I mean if you want to be a fat obese slob who looks ridiculous when out in public because the seat of your pants looks like there are two cats fighting in them when you walk down the street the Government isn't going to prevent you!

Nor should they. What's your point?

That this Administration is reluctant to endorse WHO's recommendation out of fear that it may alienate the lobbyist for the Fast Food Industry

Following WHO recommendations to keep the food supply safe, i.e. prohibiting use of downer cows, is one thing.
Regulating people's dietary choices (junk food vs. healthy food) is very much another.

The should do the former not the latter. It's not like people don't know they are eating lots of fat & sugar. If they want to eat unhealthy let them.

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
US questions global obesity plan

Some scientists accuse President Bush's administration of planning to water down proposed junk food regulations, in order to protect big business.

But the US says there is no proof that fast food alone is to blame for the growing epidemic of obesity.

This is only about WHO pushing for lower recommended daily levels of sugar, salt and fat. It's not forcing anybody to abide by them! I mean if you want to be a fat obese slob who looks ridiculous when out in public because the seat of your pants looks like there are two cats fighting in them when you walk down the street the Government isn't going to prevent you!

HEY, at least BEN and JERRY don't make fun of me

 

[b0mbrman]

Being fully informed would be good enough for me. Nutritional information should definitely be more readily accessible.

 

[Ultima]

The government has no business telling us what we can eat or not eat. They can run education programs about obesity, but beyond that...

 

[heartsurgeon]

exponential growth

yeah! NOW WE'RE TALKIN!
exponential growth of MCD=exponential growth of burger sales world wide= exponential growth of waistline = exponential growth of my business...yeah baby!!

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

It is a factor. I would say people being inactive is a big, if not bigger factor.

Actually it's both but the tremendous increase in per capita sugar consumption has coincided with increasingly sedentary lifestyles. As a young, competitive athlete 4000 kcal was easy to tolerate but today it would be nearly impossible for me to sustain enough activity to manage even a 3000 kcal diet.

It's difficult to assess the government's position based on the BBC story b/c it's short on details. Suffice it to say, most nutritionist would argue Big Mac and Whoppers (even without the bun) don't really have a place in a good diet. And the Super Sized meal with fries and a drink is a monthly indulgence at best. But it's unfair to lump a Wendy's meal of small chilli, side salad (low fat dressing or Italian), chicken nuggets, and water with their largest burger meal combo. Accordingly, it's also incredibly ignorant or downright duplicitous for Bushies to claim fast food has not contributed to our obesity problem.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
US questions global obesity planThis only about WHO pushing for lower recommended daily levels of sugar, salt and fat. It's not forcing anybody to abide by them! I mean if you want to be a fat obese slob who looks ridiculous when out in public because the seat of your pants looks like there are two cats fighting in them when you walk down the street the Government isn't going to prevent you!

Nor should they. What's your point?

That this Administration is reluctant to endorse WHO's recommendation out of fear that it may alienate the lobbyist for the Fast Food Industry

Following WHO recommendations to keep the food supply safe, i.e. prohibiting use of downer cows, is one thing.
Regulating people's dietary choices (junk food vs. healthy food) is very much another.

The should do the former not the latter. It's not like people don't know they are eating lots of fat & sugar. If they want to eat unhealthy let them.

Not regulating but saturating the news and airwaves about how bad that crap is for you. Hey if just for the lower cost of Health Care in the near future it would be beneficial to most of Americans.

How fat America really is didn't hit me until I moved from health conscious California to Boston where there is a Dunkin Donuts on every corner and it shows in the population.

 

[outriding]

did anyone see the episode of CNN's crossfire with james carville and some republican ( he was in congress or from the heritage foundation ) ?

You had caville with an ORGANICALY GROWN TOMATO and the "R" had a box of mcdonalds fires.

the "R" kept aguing that the box of fries was better for you than carvilles tomato. after a few minutes of talking carville gave up. it was the first time i have ever seen him give up.

honestly why are soo many "R"'s keep craming this down our throats ( yes pardon the pun )?