Bush administration has cut off closed-captioning for nearly 200 TV shows.

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: DougK62
I still don't understand what the big fuss is about this.

The government doesn't have to CC.
The stuff that they don't CC and that the public wants CC'd is picked up by the networks.
They stopped CC on programs that a group of experts decided were not educational.

How do you get a secret Bush agenda conspiracy theory out of this?

Well, the timing, that they didn't just nuke everything, that they won't say who the "panel of experts" are, etc. If it's going to go totally private in 2006, why the big boner to yank certain shows right now? That's what I have a problem with. Now there are gaps in what's captioned and what's not, the networks are scrambling to pick up the slack, and deaf people now may or may not be able to watch what they want to. Sure, Law and Order is basically crap, but think about how you'd feel if suddenly all "non-educational" programming was broadcast without sound because of some relatively arbitrary decision by the DOE. The whole thing smells like dictation of morality and just because "Cribs" is a stupid show (it is) doesn't mean it needs to be effectively yanked off the air for a segment of our population. At the very least, this could have been handled more gracefully with a "we need to speed up the timeline of the CC handover" approach. JMHO.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: DougK62
I love how something as simple as this can be warped and twisted into another Bush bashing. I won't play the rational side, Amused and others have put some common sense into this thread already.

The sad thing is these stupid liberal twistings-of-the-truth are being eaten up by the kiddies - a lot of which are on this board. All they see is that Bush hates CC so they all yell 'BOOO!' because they're too dense to look into the matter themselves.

Why isn't this in P&N?

Because the idea of a seperate "P&N" forum on a Computer Hardware BBS is retarded.

This was flame bait to begin with. The liberal gay agenda pushing, Christian bashing, whiney group here at AT, led by Fausto's clique : eli, rblowdow and the troll formerly known as "krazikid".

And to say that "the idea of a seperate 'P&N' forum on a Computer Hardware BBS is retarded" just goes to show why we should all be glad you dont run Anandtech.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: DougK62
I love how something as simple as this can be warped and twisted into another Bush bashing. I won't play the rational side, Amused and others have put some common sense into this thread already.

The sad thing is these stupid liberal twistings-of-the-truth are being eaten up by the kiddies - a lot of which are on this board. All they see is that Bush hates CC so they all yell 'BOOO!' because they're too dense to look into the matter themselves.

Why isn't this in P&N?

Because the idea of a seperate "P&N" forum on a Computer Hardware BBS is retarded.

This was flame bait to begin with. The liberal gay agenda pushing, Christian bashing, whiney group here at AT, led by Fausto's clique : eli, rblowdow and the troll formerly known as "krazikid".

And to say that "the idea of a seperate 'P&N' forum on a Computer Hardware BBS is retarded" just goes to show why we should all be glad you dont run Anandtech.

Ah...now it's a proper flamewar. Thanks dipshit.

Liberal....gay agenda...christian bashing......I think you covered all the bases.


Even though none of that has anything to do with the topic at hand.

 

[matt426malm]

Originally posted by: DougK62
I still don't understand what the big fuss is about this.

The government doesn't have to CC.
The stuff that they don't CC and that the public wants CC'd is picked up by the networks.
They stopped CC on programs that a group of experts decided were not educational.

How do you get a secret Bush agenda conspiracy theory out of this?

yah I don't see the problem either

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

<runs to get popcorn>

 

[LordJezo]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: DougK62
I love how something as simple as this can be warped and twisted into another Bush bashing. I won't play the rational side, Amused and others have put some common sense into this thread already.

The sad thing is these stupid liberal twistings-of-the-truth are being eaten up by the kiddies - a lot of which are on this board. All they see is that Bush hates CC so they all yell 'BOOO!' because they're too dense to look into the matter themselves.

Why isn't this in P&N?

Because the idea of a seperate "P&N" forum on a Computer Hardware BBS is retarded.

This was flame bait to begin with. The liberal gay agenda pushing, Christian bashing, whiney group here at AT, led by Fausto's clique : eli, rblowdow and the troll formerly known as "krazikid".

And to say that "the idea of a seperate 'P&N' forum on a Computer Hardware BBS is retarded" just goes to show why we should all be glad you dont run Anandtech.

Ah...now it's a proper flamewar. Thanks dipshit.

Liberal....gay agenda...christian bashing......I think you covered all the bases.


Even though none of that has anything to do with the topic at hand.

Don't forget hardcore sex on sesame street because the parents should censor, not the networks!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: DougK62
I love how something as simple as this can be warped and twisted into another Bush bashing. I won't play the rational side, Amused and others have put some common sense into this thread already.

The sad thing is these stupid liberal twistings-of-the-truth are being eaten up by the kiddies - a lot of which are on this board. All they see is that Bush hates CC so they all yell 'BOOO!' because they're too dense to look into the matter themselves.

Why isn't this in P&N?

Because the idea of a seperate "P&N" forum on a Computer Hardware BBS is retarded.

This was flame bait to begin with. The liberal gay agenda pushing, Christian bashing, whiney group here at AT, led by Fausto's clique : eli, rblowdow and the troll formerly known as "krazikid".

And to say that "the idea of a seperate 'P&N' forum on a Computer Hardware BBS is retarded" just goes to show why we should all be glad you dont run Anandtech.

Halo on a bit too tight today?

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: DougK62
I still don't understand what the big fuss is about this.

The government doesn't have to CC.
The stuff that they don't CC and that the public wants CC'd is picked up by the networks.
They stopped CC on programs that a group of experts decided were not educational.

How do you get a secret Bush agenda conspiracy theory out of this?

Well, the timing, that they didn't just nuke everything, that they won't say who the "panel of experts" are, etc. If it's going to go totally private in 2006, why the big boner to yank certain shows right now? That's what I have a problem with. Now there are gaps in what's captioned and what's not, the networks are scrambling to pick up the slack, and deaf people now may or may not be able to watch what they want to. Sure, Law and Order is basically crap, but think about how you'd feel if suddenly all "non-educational" programming was broadcast without sound because of some relatively arbitrary decision by the DOE. The whole thing smells like dictation of morality and just because "Cribs" is a stupid show (it is) doesn't mean it needs to be effectively yanked off the air for a segment of our population. At the very least, this could have been handled more gracefully with a "we need to speed up the timeline of the CC handover" approach. JMHO.

The only thing I'll give you is that they should've given warning instead of just yanking it. That was dumb. The other stuff all makes fine sense. Keeping secret the panel of experts is no big deal - it's done alot on government committees. If I was one of the experts I would want my identity private to keep away any potential whackos. I don't see how this is a sercet dictation of morality either. One of the disapproved shows is "Bed Bug Bible Gang", so I don't see how it can be argued that it was done on a morality note.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: DougK62
I love how something as simple as this can be warped and twisted into another Bush bashing. I won't play the rational side, Amused and others have put some common sense into this thread already.

The sad thing is these stupid liberal twistings-of-the-truth are being eaten up by the kiddies - a lot of which are on this board. All they see is that Bush hates CC so they all yell 'BOOO!' because they're too dense to look into the matter themselves.

Why isn't this in P&N?

Because the idea of a seperate "P&N" forum on a Computer Hardware BBS is retarded.

This was flame bait to begin with. The liberal gay agenda pushing, Christian bashing, whiney group here at AT, led by Fausto's clique : eli, rblowdow and the troll formerly known as "krazikid".

And to say that "the idea of a seperate 'P&N' forum on a Computer Hardware BBS is retarded" just goes to show why we should all be glad you dont run Anandtech.

I feel like I'm being stalked, and I kinda like it 😛

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: DougK62
I still don't understand what the big fuss is about this.

The government doesn't have to CC.
The stuff that they don't CC and that the public wants CC'd is picked up by the networks.
They stopped CC on programs that a group of experts decided were not educational.

How do you get a secret Bush agenda conspiracy theory out of this?

Well, the timing, that they didn't just nuke everything, that they won't say who the "panel of experts" are, etc. If it's going to go totally private in 2006, why the big boner to yank certain shows right now? That's what I have a problem with. Now there are gaps in what's captioned and what's not, the networks are scrambling to pick up the slack, and deaf people now may or may not be able to watch what they want to. Sure, Law and Order is basically crap, but think about how you'd feel if suddenly all "non-educational" programming was broadcast without sound because of some relatively arbitrary decision by the DOE. The whole thing smells like dictation of morality and just because "Cribs" is a stupid show (it is) doesn't mean it needs to be effectively yanked off the air for a segment of our population. At the very least, this could have been handled more gracefully with a "we need to speed up the timeline of the CC handover" approach. JMHO.

The only thing I'll give you is that they should've given warning instead of just yanking it. That was dumb.

Yup.

The other stuff all makes fine sense. Keeping secret the panel of experts is no big deal - it's done alot on government committees. If I was one of the experts I would want my identity private to keep away any potential whackos.

Right (and this is the reason given), but it lends a lot of leeway to judgement calls by the panel based on their personal views. If they're all Pat Robertson wannabes, you know where things are going to go. 😉

I don't see how this is a sercet dictation of morality either. One of the disapproved shows is "Bed Bug Bible Gang", so I don't see how it can be argued that it was done on a morality note.

Dunno, maybe that particular program would be too big a target for people to scream "church and state dammit!!" or accuse the administration of further pimping christianity?

The other point I was trying to make is that it's just lame for deaf people to be caught in the middle of all this. Just because you have a hearing problem doesn't mean you don't want a junk TV fix after a long day at work. 😉

Edit- Oh look, a civil exchange of ideas. How novel. 😛

 

[Thraxen]

I had no idea that closed captioning was a government thing to begin with. Should be the network's responsibility, IMO. Anyway, the accusations of "censorship" is a bit (nah... a lot) ridiculous considering that the vast majority of the country can still hear the program

 

[jurzdevil]

until there are english captions for the spanish channels NO ONE can have any captions!!!

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Thraxen
I had no idea that closed captioning was a government thing to begin with. Should be the network's responsibility, IMO.

It was going to be in less than two years.

Anyway, the accusations of "censorship" is a bit (nah... a lot) ridiculous considering that the vast majority of the country can still hear the program

So, we shouldn't bother with ramps to buildings since those in wheelchairs represent a small % of our population? Nice.

 

[Thraxen]

So, we shouldn't bother with ramps to buildings since those in wheelchairs represent a small % of our population? Nice.

WTF does your statement have to do with what I said? I'll tell you: NOTHING!

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

So, we shouldn't bother with ramps to buildings since those in wheelchairs represent a small % of our population? Nice.

WTF does your statement have to do with what I said? I'll tell you: NOTHING!

It's the same logic. You're saying that this isn't a big deal since most of the population can hear so wheelchair access isn't a big deal since most of the populus can walk.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Anyway, the accusations of "censorship" is a bit (nah... a lot) ridiculous considering that the vast majority of the country can still hear the program

So, we shouldn't bother with ramps to buildings since those in wheelchairs represent a small % of our population? Nice.

Does the government fund ramps at private businesses?

 

[Thraxen]

It's the same logic. You're saying that this isn't a big deal since most of the population can hear so wheelchair access isn't a big deal since most of the populus can walk.

Think dammit! It's nothing alike. All I said was that accusing the administration of "CENSORSHIP" was a bit ridiculous since it's kind of hard to be hiding something when the vast majority of people can hear what's being said. I'm not even addressing the issue of whether or not closed captioning is needed.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Anyway, the accusations of "censorship" is a bit (nah... a lot) ridiculous considering that the vast majority of the country can still hear the program

So, we shouldn't bother with ramps to buildings since those in wheelchairs represent a small % of our population? Nice.

Does the government fund ramps at private businesses?

That's not really what I was getting at. Honestly, that this affects deaf people is really incidental. Closed-captioning just happens to be something the gov can exert control over, so they did. I was just pointing out that Thrax's logic was off. Just because it only affects a small % of the population doesn't mean it's to be ignored.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: DougK62
I love how something as simple as this can be warped and twisted into another Bush bashing. I won't play the rational side, Amused and others have put some common sense into this thread already.

The sad thing is these stupid liberal twistings-of-the-truth are being eaten up by the kiddies - a lot of which are on this board. All they see is that Bush hates CC so they all yell 'BOOO!' because they're too dense to look into the matter themselves.

Why isn't this in P&N?

Because the idea of a seperate "P&N" forum on a Computer Hardware BBS is retarded.

This was flame bait to begin with. The liberal gay agenda pushing, Christian bashing, whiney group here at AT, led by Fausto's clique : eli, rblowdow and the troll formerly known as "krazikid".

And to say that "the idea of a seperate 'P&N' forum on a Computer Hardware BBS is retarded" just goes to show why we should all be glad you dont run Anandtech.

This idiot does not speak for conservatives or capitalists as a group.

ZV

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

It's the same logic. You're saying that this isn't a big deal since most of the population can hear so wheelchair access isn't a big deal since most of the populus can walk.

Think dammit! It's nothing alike. All I said was that accusing the administration of "CENSORSHIP" was a bit ridiculous since it's kind of hard to be hiding something when the vast majority of people can hear what's being said. I'm not even addressing the issue of whether or not closed captioning is needed.

I understand, I just made my point badly. I clarified in the above post responding to Amused. 😉

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Thraxen

It's the same logic. You're saying that this isn't a big deal since most of the population can hear so wheelchair access isn't a big deal since most of the populus can walk.

Think dammit! It's nothing alike. All I said was that accusing the administration of "CENSORSHIP" was a bit ridiculous since it's kind of hard to be hiding something when the vast majority of people can hear what's being said. I'm not even addressing the issue of whether or not closed captioning is needed.

I understand, I just made my point badly. I clarified in the above post responding to Amused. 😉

You fscking idiot. 😛
😉

 

[Crapkilla]

Originally posted by: JDub02
Seriously, tell me where in the Constitution does it say that it's the Feds' job to close caption television. Also tell me where it says that the gov't must provide medicare, medicaid, social insecurity, welfare, public "arts", or a whole bunch of other CRAP that they waste our money on.

Maybe I'm just a little upset that I lost 25% of my income last year to taxes. The government should provide for our safety (military, police, etc.), build us some roads, and leave us the heck alone.

You did well if it was only 25%!!! After gas taxes, local taxes, county taxes, state taxes, federal taxes, sales taxes, communications taxes, license plate taxes, toll road fees, and general overall bend over taxes, I figure mine to be much closer to 50% than 25%.

Forgot property taxes... sigh...

 

[ThaPerculator]

I'm wondering what the point is, but honestly I always figured that CC was funded by the networks because of the American Disability Act or something. Why would the govt pay for it? The govt should enforce mandatory CC on networks and whatnot, but I dunno why they would pay for it. Makes me wonder what other weird stuff they pay for that jacks up our taxes.

 

[Spencer278]

I have mixxed opions about this. On one hand the goverment shouldn't really be paying to entertain people but if it helps educate the deaf people and allow them to get better jobs in the future and pay more taxes then I think it would be a good investment.

Also deaf people tend to be isolated into their own groups, so I think it is important that they are able to be exposed to main-stream culture.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Spencer278
I have mixxed opions about this. On one hand the goverment shouldn't really be paying to entertain people but if it helps educate the deaf people and allow them to get better jobs in the future and pay more taxes then I think it would be a good investment.

TV educates? 😕