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Bullying in the NFL

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jjsole said:
It shreds Incognito, according to espn's snippets.
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This whole thing was a setup from the get-go on from Martin's camp. Martin knew exactly what levers to pull, which buttons to press, and exactly which words to use to insure that when full disclosure and evidence is presented and no matter the part he played, he would come out the victim. If this ruling from the (laughable) impartial investigation surprises you, you are sorely in need of a reality check.

Incognito and the others in the linemen brigade are no saints by any stretch of the imagination as Martin is no innocent little victim.

Well played, Martin...well played. Now, if only you could play football half as good as you play victim, you might still be employable by another team.

And that pretentious fucknit Miami Dolphins owner...what an absolute taint. My wife laughed so hard when she heard his quote about cleaning up the locker room, creating a 'professional' environment, etc etc. Majority of players can't string 3 words together to make coherent sentence and have the mental capacity of an 8th grader which means they don't know much about personal responsibility. What they do know, however, is that coaches, owners, fans, etc don't give 1 single fuck what kind of guy you are off the field as long as you can look up at Caesar (the cameras) and proclaim, "Are you not entertained?"
 
TheFamilyMan said:
Majority of players can't string 3 words together to make coherent sentence and have the mental capacity of an 8th grader which means they don't know much about personal responsibility.
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lol. so you clearly know nothing about football. should people care about your opinion?
 
From the report posted by espn it sounds like a whole lot of nothing and that will likely be the result from the league.
 
TheFamilyMan said:
This whole thing was a setup from the get-go on from Martin's camp. Martin knew exactly what levers to pull, which buttons to press, and exactly which words to use to insure that when full disclosure and evidence is presented and no matter the part he played, he would come out the victim.
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Martin did such a great job orchestrating this rouse that he also manipulated Incognito to regularly verbally abuse a Dolphin trainer with ethnic slurs. I tell you what, this Martin fellow deserves to be in prison with 3 foot thick lead walls considering his heinous abilities to subtly compel others to obnoxious behavior. Until then I advise people to wear tinfoil. Lots of tinfoil.
 
To me the report just reinforces that this was a perfect storm that resulted from combining a relatively (but probably not uniquely) obnoxious alpha male (Incognito) with an extremely sensitive, psychologically fragile person (Martin). I feel bad for Martin but to me he comes off as the more unusual of the two. Realistically I don't see how someone with that level of sensitivity and insecurity about interpersonal relations would ever be able to make it in the testosterone-heavy NFL.
 
purbeast0 said:
lol. so you clearly know nothing about football. should people care about your opinion?
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What does knowing something about football have to do with knowing many of these guys have barely progressed past the age of 13 or 14 mentally and intellectually?

I spend my fair share of time around numerous professional athletes from football, basketball, and baseball so I'm fairly certain of the circumstances that shape my opinion.

I have lost count how many times I have personally witnessed their lack of intellectual, mental, and emotional maturity.
 
TheFamilyMan said:
What does knowing something about football have to do with knowing many of these guys have barely progressed past the age of 13 or 14 mentally and intellectually?

I spend my fair share of time around numerous professional athletes from football, basketball, and baseball so I'm fairly certain of the circumstances that shape my opinion.

I have lost count how many times I have personally witnessed their lack of intellectual, mental, and emotional maturity.
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If they are all so dumb, how did they all get accepted, attend, and quite a few graduate college?
 
purbeast0 said:
lol. so you clearly know nothing about football. should people care about your opinion?
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lol, did you read those texts? FamilyMan has a point. Sure, there are probably some brainy people in the NFL, but please don't pretend that the majority of the real talent at that level aren't immature nematodes.
 
zinfamous said:
lol, did you read those texts? FamilyMan has a point. Sure, there are probably some brainy people in the NFL, but please don't pretend that the majority of the real talent at that level aren't immature nematodes.
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yeah i read them all. a lot of my text messages with my buddies look like that as well when we're just shooting the shit. probably wouldn't even make sense to most people because we use our own slang. and we're all college graduates with careers at this point.
 
TheFamilyMan said:
I spend my fair share of time around numerous professional athletes from football, basketball, and baseball so I'm fairly certain of the circumstances that shape my opinion.
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Sample bias.

Did you consider the "circle" you mingle with? Unless you are an agent or work directly with teams (i.e. large sample size with minimal sample culling) you are getting a very skewed sample. Certain activities attract a subset of players giving an invalid sample. Without you stating how you are spending significant time with professional athletes across various sports it is impossible to say the value of your observation--it may be completely invalid e.g. if you are a janitor or cook at a sports bar. Your "fair share of time around" these athletes would be of little weight.

And it goes without note that professional basketball and baseball players typically complete little to no college unlike NFL players who must be at least 3 years removed from high school. Life experience also tells you unless you are working closely with someone there are many who come off as flakey, disconnected, dumb, etc. but are not--and you wouldn't know this unless you were more than a casual acquaintance at the gym or bar. I work with a lot of folks who casually you wouldn't think much of but work professionally as CEOs, CFOs, lawyers, etc and are exceptional at what they do.
 
zinfamous said:
seriously?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/28/us/ncaa-athletes-unc/
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So, every other school also must have lower standards for certain athletes? Obviously, not. I bet all those football players in Stanford and Yale are being "failed" by those schools too right?

Why is it that the average education level of professional athletes is far above the average of the rest of the United States?

Also, since most of you seem to think you're so much smarter, please do post your Wonderlic scores.
 
Ban Bot said:
Sample bias.

Did you consider the "circle" you mingle with? Unless you are an agent or work directly with teams (i.e. large sample size with minimal sample culling) you are getting a very skewed sample. Certain activities attract a subset of players giving an invalid sample. Without you stating how you are spending significant time with professional athletes across various sports it is impossible to say the value of your observation--it may be completely invalid e.g. if you are a janitor or cook at a sports bar. Your "fair share of time around" these athletes would be of little weight.

And it goes without note that professional basketball and baseball players typically complete little to no college unlike NFL players who must be at least 3 years removed from high school. Life experience also tells you unless you are working closely with someone there are many who come off as flakey, disconnected, dumb, etc. but are not--and you wouldn't know this unless you were more than a casual acquaintance at the gym or bar. I work with a lot of folks who casually you wouldn't think much of but work professionally as CEOs, CFOs, lawyers, etc and are exceptional at what they do.
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Well said. I've been close with a number of NFL players, and some of them (more than half honestly) are quite awesome people really, intelligent, thoughtful, and driven. There are exceptions to this to be sure, and the 'culture' of a team REALLY DRASTICALLY differs from team to team, and even within a team when 'clicks' of players form under weak or abdicated leadership. A team with strong leadership and positive culture produces and fosters good qualities, while a team with weak leadership and thug culture produces garbage in so many cases.

As with anything, it's a dangerous thing to make blanket statements, because there are so many exceptions even to things with a generally accepted status quo.
 
smackababy said:
So, every other school also must have lower standards for certain athletes? Obviously, not. I bet all those football players in Stanford and Yale are being "failed" by those schools too right?

Why is it that the average education level of professional athletes is far above the average of the rest of the United States?

Also, since most of you seem to think you're so much smarter, please do post your Wonderlic scores.
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How many Yale and Harvard football players are in the NFL? Stanford is a bit of an outlier, as they happen to be in a big NCAA conference, that is more or less beholden to be competitive...but I still don't think they put out the same number of linemen and general top shelf athletes as a school like U of M or OSU, or even USC, et al. Consider Duke, as well.

Heh, if you're going to use such a small sample of "NFL athlete" and compare to everyone else, why not be a little more fair? How about "NFL athlete" vs "Microsoft employees" or "fortune 500 employees" or "nuclear physicists" or "farmers" or "chefs" or "starbucks barristas" Hey! There's a good one! I read nothing on ATOT, every single day, but people criticizing those liberal arts degrees as nothing but a one-way trip to starbucks. Well, shit on me. At least they have the exact same education as these brilliant men of the NFL!

Also, not isolated. And no one who has ever attended a major NCAA school would ever assume otherwise:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...ngham-academic-sins-inexcusable-not-isolated-
 
Ban Bot said:
Sample bias.

Did you consider the "circle" you mingle with? Unless you are an agent or work directly with teams (i.e. large sample size with minimal sample culling) you are getting a very skewed sample. Certain activities attract a subset of players giving an invalid sample. Without you stating how you are spending significant time with professional athletes across various sports it is impossible to say the value of your observation--it may be completely invalid e.g. if you are a janitor or cook at a sports bar. Your "fair share of time around" these athletes would be of little weight.

And it goes without note that professional basketball and baseball players typically complete little to no college unlike NFL players who must be at least 3 years removed from high school. Life experience also tells you unless you are working closely with someone there are many who come off as flakey, disconnected, dumb, etc. but are not--and you wouldn't know this unless you were more than a casual acquaintance at the gym or bar. I work with a lot of folks who casually you wouldn't think much of but work professionally as CEOs, CFOs, lawyers, etc and are exceptional at what they do.
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No sample bias here. I have worked directly with teams, agents, and players. I've been in social, professional, and casual/semi-casual settings with multiple levels of players; starters through last man on the bench/sideline.

Also, just because NFL players have to be 3 years removed from high school, I haven't seen that they demonstrate much higher, if any, life competencies beyond NBA or MLBP.
 
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