Ok, but no reasonable person in this forum has been able to show that their world without guns is a serious problem. You just choose to make it an issue. Without a bank account or car, I think probably everyone here is in some deep trouble.
So the point remains that in terms of necessity to live your life, guns fall pretty low on that list. I think this makes the argument that any sort of limits on access doesn't really screw anyone over. With that said limits shouldnt exist for the sake of limiting people. It's to make sure people are vetted and there's proper documentation. Similar to car registration. Firearms regulations is like cars having safety codes. You have vehicle codes, federal safety requirements, traffic laws, traffic standards for roads, signs, etc. It's a giant industry designed to work with car safety with tons of regulations and legislation.
I guess what gets to me is that anytime you talk about guns, the gun advocates go crazy. There's some sort of fantasy of a foreign invasion or a zombie apocalypse for them to have 20,000 rounds of ammunition and 18 guns or something like that. It's just like when I talk about living a life without guns, you talk about your alternative being to smuggle guns.
Let's take something that I think many of us enjoy but don't necessarily have to have. Strip clubs. Ok, I've been to a few. Some where I live, some in Vegas. Now it's great, but I think as long as we have porn, that's acceptable to most of us. Now if all strip clubs disappeared tomorrow, would I be screwed? Would I find a need to go on a rape spree? Yeah maybe I'll have to find somewhere else to go for a bachelor's party I'm planning to go to, but is my life in jeapardy now? I could go on an extreme and say well it affects me so much I have to open some underground strip club. Come on. Is that how the average person deals with a world without strip clubs?
It's ridiculous. Bring up guns and people bring up cars. Bring up guns being killing machines and people say "well killing isn't bad." Killing isn't bad really? I mean for nation states to achieve national interests, killing is necessary, but even if the world's better without Bin Laden or Al Qaeda or ruthless dictators, we celebrate their downfall, but it's not like we celebrate their killing like killing itself is a positive thing. Fact is killing is bad, and I bet if you ask most reasonable people if we can achieve a similar outcome without killing, you'd pick no killing. Killing with guns is a necessary evil sometimes given how society works, but it's not the same level of slaughtering cows and pigs. It's totally different.
No sir, you try to make it NOT an issue by not hearing what people are telling you. If I did not have a firearm, I would likely be injured, crippled, or dead now. It has saved me. It has prevented crime. The same is true for thousands, hundreds of thousands, or perhaps millions of others on a yearly basis.
You ignore that I live perfectly well with neither bank nor car, as do numerous others. You choose to see the world ONLY through your own perceptions and biases.
In order to 'live your life', you must first be alive, and without adequate means of defense, this is often not possible. Therefore the firearm exists every bit as vital as oxygen or food or water in that when it is necessary, the alternative is death itself.
I don't see how a useless tax on ammunition is equivalent to necessary safety regulation.
You choose the extreme fantasies to discount the very possible potentials. Civil unrest and the disintegration of America is entirely plausible. Fascist government usurpation is not only probable, it's currently occurring. Self defense happens every day. These things can (and do) occur, and access to proper tools and the ability to use them effectively are the only thing that will make the difference between surviving it and not.
You accuse us of making faulty comparisons, and then you compare a firearm (something which saves lives, and entire nations or peoples), to a strip club (a chance to pay to smell the food at the buffet). THAT is what's ridiculous.
Yes, killing isn't bad, when done for the right reasons. In fact, it's the BEST possible thing in those situations. This is because you CANNOT achieve 'the same thing' without killing. You MUST kill evil. Always.
In short, you have NO IDEA how important they are purely because you choose to have a different opinion and discount anything which does not match your world view. We sit here and explain to you, carefully and with evidence, example and analogy, WHY we feel differently, and instead of looking at it you discount it or belittle it. You are what you accuse us of being.
