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Bullet tax to solve Chicago gun violence and crime problem

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Genx87 said:
So a tax on the 2nd amendment. Lets see if people apply their values equally.
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There already is a gun permit fee in ILLINOIS, not even just Chicago. So this bill will easily pass Chicago.

It's just an opportunity to raise money without solving the problem, while saying it will help solve the problem to garner support. It's classic Rahm, never let a crisis go to waste.
 
momeNt said:
There already is a gun permit fee in ILLINOIS, not even just Chicago. So this bill will easily pass Chicago.

It's just an opportunity to raise money without solving the problem, while saying it will help solve the problem to garner support. It's classic Rahm, never let a crisis go to waste.
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I'm unsure if FOID has ever actually been legally challenged. It is a pretty damn simple thing to comply with however (just mail in the paperwork) even if it's actual utility is limited.

Also, this is the Cook County Board President not the Mayor. Rahm has better things to do with his time.
 
K1052 said:
I'm unsure if FOID has ever actually been legally challenged. It is a pretty damn simple thing to comply with however (just mail in the paperwork) even if it's actual utility is limited.

Also, this is the Cook County Board President not the Mayor. Rahm has better things to do with his time.
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My bad, saw Chicago and assumed the city. Makes sense, picks up on all the sportsman's clubs in cook county if it is countywide.

Also, the bullet tax is even easier to comply with considering the tax is probably collected on the sale and requires nothing extra on the part of the gunowner other than the money. FOID requires mailing a form and paying $10 or $5 (unsure).
 
momeNt said:
My bad, saw Chicago and assumed the city. Makes sense, picks up on all the sportsman's clubs in cook county if it is countywide.

Also, the bullet tax is even easier to comply with considering the tax is probably collected on the sale and requires nothing extra on the part of the gunowner other than the money. FOID requires mailing a form and paying $10 or $5 (unsure).
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People will just buy outside the county/state. I'm skeptical this will even pass the board.
 
emperus said:
I think you prove my point. How many bullets do normal people keep in their house?
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For me and my shooting habits it would amount to tens of thousands of dollars over my lifetime, and won't stop criminals who have a plethora of alternative sources. That's not justice, that's just a stupid money-grab.

You do realize that ammo prices have more than doubled in the last 10 years right? Any studies linking that to a decrease in crime? Criminals typically don't practice, such a small tax would be negligible to them and will only hurt legitimate gun owners.
 
bfdd said:
That doesn't matter, unless you're a wannabe slave owner who wants to dictate how people live their lives.
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Yes, because my concern about people buying thousands of bullets boils down to me wanting to be a slave owner. Very good point you've made there. I'm glad it wasn't that ridiculous.
 
emperus said:
A gun was made to kill things. People, animals, things. Maybe find another example of a product who's primary design is to injure or kill and maybe you may have a point. Else, I am not sure if your argument has any point.
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And this somehow makes it worse than other items? Killing isn't always bad. Hell it's a necessarry part of human existance and always has been. Many people forget that society is only safe because society employs millions of armed people (cops and soldiers) to protect it, and those millions are killing people every day.

Guns don't kill people people kill people. I make this argument, point out my spotless record and level-headed attitude towards guns, and the gun grabbers tell me "the law isn't about people like you". Well if that's the case, where are my exemptions? Why do all of these laws hinder me, who have never done and will never do any harm?
 
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emperus said:
Yes, because my concern about people buying thousands of bullets boils down to me wanting to be a slave owner. Very good point you've made there. I'm glad it wasn't that ridiculous.
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It does, you want to regulate the way they live. What's sad is you don't realize it.
 
bfdd said:
It does, you want to regulate the way they live. What's sad is you don't realize it.
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I don't debate idiots. Comparing regulating how people use bullets to slavery is beyond asinine. Maybe go read up on what slavery was like. Pax
 
irishScott said:
How do you think your ancestors ate? As I said, killing is not always bad.
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After watching No Country For Old Men (CBA to read it), they should tax the shit out of those piston brain puncher things. Absolutely have to keep them off the street. They can kill and make it extremely easy to break into a home.
 
momeNt said:
So we should tax throwing knives only, but kitchen knives are exempt.
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Can any gun nut have a cogent discussion. Are there throwing bullets and kitchen bullets? The primary point of a bullet is to kill and maim, until you can find me another object that it's primary purpose is to maime or kill, I think I've made my point.
 
emperus said:
I don't debate idiots. Comparing regulating how people use bullets to slavery is beyond asinine. Maybe go read up on what slavery was like. Pax
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Nope it really isn't. Regulating how people live their lives is the first step in running their lives. Hence the wannabe slave owner cause if you were "man" enough yuou'd just enslave them and force them to live the way you want. Instead you'll use the force of Government to shape the world in the imagine you desire. Wannabe slave owner. Or are you just a pawn of the wannabe slave owners? Either way I'm sticking that label on you.
 
irishScott said:
And this somehow makes it worse than other items? Killing isn't always bad. Hell it's a necessarry part of human existance and always has been. Many people forget that society is only safe because society employs millions of armed people (cops and soldiers) to protect it, and those millions are killing people every day.

Guns don't kill people people kill people. I make this argument, point out my spotless record and level-headed attitude towards guns, and the gun grabbers tell me "the law isn't about people like you". Well if that's the case, where are my exemptions? Why do all of these laws hinder me, who have never done and will never do any harm?
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Well, I'm sure you're a great driver, but you still have to pass a test. If you're an honest builder an inspector still checks your houses. Do I need to go on?
 
bfdd said:
Nope it really isn't. Regulating how people live their lives is the first step in running their lives. Hence the wannabe slave owner cause if you were "man" enough yuou'd just enslave them and force them to live the way you want. Instead you'll use the force of Government to shape the world in the imagine you desire. Wannabe slave owner. Or are you just a pawn of the wannabe slave owners? Either way I'm sticking that label on you.
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And you're an idiot. Can we end this stupid Slavery comparison now?
 
emperus said:
Well, I'm sure you're a great driver, but you still have to pass a test. If you're an honest builder an inspector still checks your houses. Do I need to go on?
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Those are reasonable forms of verification that prove my record to others; not straight-up hinderance. A gun/bullet tax doesn't verify anything except that I have more money to waste than some.
 
emperus said:
Can any gun nut have a cogent discussion. Are there throwing bullets and kitchen bullets? The primary point of a bullet is to kill and maim, until you can find me another object that it's primary purpose is to maime or kill, I think I've made my point.
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Except for a lot of legitimate gun owners, the point of a bullet is not to kill or maim. If someone spends a lot of time practicing shooting, they're running through thousands of rounds of ammunition, and not a single one of those bullets is killing or maiming anything.
 
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