'Bullet magnets' prepare for Iraqi frontline

Nietzscheusw

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Bush stayed home when he was in the National Guard. Today even mothers are sent to war, as explained in this article I found linked here:
http://www.cosmiciguana.com/



'Bullet magnets' prepare for Iraqi frontline

The largest troop rotation in US history starts this month - but the reservists have little training or appetite for battle

Suzanne Goldenberg in Fort Bliss, Texas
Monday March 1, 2004
The Guardian

The lead vehicle in the convoy has disappeared over the hill. The road ahead is flanked by two suspicious-looking car wrecks. In the back of the pick-up truck, the troops are getting twitchy.

All six soldiers jump out of the truck and sprawl in the dirt, triggers at the ready. Minutes later, they clamber back in. Nobody thinks to look behind until a smoke grenade explodes three yards away. The buzzer sounds. "A grenade. We're dead, dude," says Private Tyler Franzen.

They were wiped out within the first five minutes of their drill on convoy movement, and the implications register quickly. Days from now, Pte Franzen and the 319th Signals Battallion could be in Iraq. "This makes me more scared," he says. "I am preparing for the worst."

Their trainer calls troops like these "bullet magnets" - army reservists or National Guard soldiers, weekend warriors with minimal combat training pressed into service.

Tens of thousands are on the move now as the Pentagon carries out the largest rotation of forces in its history, relieving battle-weary soldiers in Iraq, Afghanistan and Kuwait with fresh forces. By late March, 130,000 troops will be leaving Iraq and 105,000, including some of the 319th, will arrive. As many as 50% of these will be reservists or National Guard.

Some units, like the 319th, will be raised virtually from scratch. The signals battalion, based in Sacramento, California, was barely at half-strength when it was mobilised, and reservists have been drafted in from as far away as Puerto Rico, Delaware, and Georgia to be sent off to what the troops call the "sandbox"

They are joining a different war from the one fought by the invading force that set off last year to liberate Iraq from Saddam Hussein. Today, the mission is far less clear, and more dangerous. The original rationale for the invasion - weapons of mass destruction - has been discredited, and so has the notion of a swift military victory. The toll for US forces in Iraq is approaching 550 dead.

A number of officers and troops at Fort Bliss say it is important to draw a line between personal feelings and duty. A few reservists say they have had run-ins with anti-war protesters; they feel the troops are not being supported as they should.

Nobody at Fort Bliss is raring to go off to war, but they are going to honour their obligations. Specialist Michelle Matthis, 21, volunteered to fill vacancies in the 319th once it became clear her own unit would not be deployed. But even she seems somewhat ambivalent. "It's so I can get the war over with," she says.

Others are resigned to going to this war, but they say it will be their last. The cost on family life is just too great, says Jim Akers, 40, a warrant officer. This is his first deployment after 22 years in the reserves.

He knows the Pentagon is worried about a steep drop in re-enlistments in the National Guard and reserves, but after Iraq he will have done his bit. "Even $1,000 extra a month is not going to keep me there," he says. "I will retire when I get back. I am not going to put my family through this - or myself."

By the time the troops have arrived at Fort Bliss in western Texas, they should be all but ready to go. But the fact of their deployment has yet to sink in. "I kind of expected this, but I didn't think it would happen," Pte Franzen says. He signed on for the college benefits in January last year. Two days before basic training, his girlfriend learned she was pregnant. Now he is 19 - too young to drink in Texas - has a three-month-old son, and is days away from war.

The shock of deployment was even greater for veterans like Maritess Leyson, 37, a computer systems administrator from Chicago who describes her 18 years in the army reserves as a "hobby job". When the call came last November, the single parent was in a panic to try to soften the news for her three teenage children. Then she had to find them a home after her sister balked at taking them. "When it was time for me to go, it hit me like a brick wall, oh my goodness," she says. "It's scary, but I signed on the dotted line."

None of the reservists raises the possibility that they might be killed - their instructors do that for them. "If the Iraqis executed an ambush with any degree of efficiency some of you might not come home," says Major Shawn Marshall, after drill.

What he does not need to say is that the death toll in Iraq has been especially high for reservists, National Guard members and support units. There is no frontline in Iraq, and no zone of safety for non-combat forces. Most reservists and support units have not been trained for a guerrilla war - with lethal consequences.

They simply do not know how to fight. Some freeze in training exercises. At the firing range, they blast away, and the targets still stand. They were trained in technical skills, not combat capabilities.

"These people are what I call bullet magnets," says Colonel Rick Phillips, who is in charge of training. "What they find over there is that these kids aren't pulling the trigger. They are waiting to engage."

At Fort Bliss, that knowledge is especially acute. The base was the home of Private Jessica Lynch and the mechanised unit that took heavy losses in the opening days of the war when their truck took a wrong turn near Nasiriya, and drove into an ambush. Eleven soldiers were killed; and others taken prisoner.

Those blunders led the Pentagon to institute basic battleground drills for all forces departing for Iraq. Col Phillips has four days to drill survival instincts into his people. He knows he can not make warriors out of them."I just want to give them enough to help them to come home."


 

nutxo

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Yeh well. Ya draw that paycheck forever, sooner or later ya might have to work for it. I doubt the reserves were intentionally designed as a welfare program.
 

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They certainly can't complain because they did volunteer, but it is also the Army's job to make sure they are trained properly and not put in situations they can't handle.
 

Nietzscheusw

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Originally posted by: nutxo
Yeh well. Ya draw that paycheck forever, sooner or later ya might have to work for it. I doubt the reserves were intentionally designed as a welfare program.

Yeah, Bush sending a mother to Iraq is fair. Why doesn't he go himself and prove he is a real tough guy? Because he is a wussie? We all know he is not in charge in the White House; noone needs him in DC. Yo! Cheney! You hear me? Send the chimp!
 

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Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Originally posted by: nutxo
Yeh well. Ya draw that paycheck forever, sooner or later ya might have to work for it. I doubt the reserves were intentionally designed as a welfare program.

Yeah, Bush sending a mother to Iraq is fair. Why doesn't he go himself and prove he is a real tough guy? Because he is a wussie? We all know he is not in charge in the White House; noone needs him in DC. Yo! Cheney! You hear me? Send the chimp!

They would send bush but he would just go awol agaim
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: nutxo
Yeh well. Ya draw that paycheck forever, sooner or later ya might have to work for it. I doubt the reserves were intentionally designed as a welfare program.
Exactly. People talk as if the President's impressment gangs are stalking the streets yanking random civilians into service :)

 

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Originally posted by: TheBDB
They certainly can't complain because they did volunteer, but it is also the Army's job to make sure they are trained properly and not put in situations they can't handle.

i laugh at articles like this with such a transparent agenda. and the less than bright that let the media do their thinking for them say"my god they have no training!" all the while not noticing the article was a depiction of a training exercise! ROFL!!!

i guess this is something civilians will never understand, all the training in the world is a total different ballgame than the real thing...the only thing that makes effective combat soldiers is having the discipline the training gives you then being combat.



 

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Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Originally posted by: nutxo
Yeh well. Ya draw that paycheck forever, sooner or later ya might have to work for it. I doubt the reserves were intentionally designed as a welfare program.

Yeah, Bush sending a mother to Iraq is fair. Why doesn't he go himself and prove he is a real tough guy? Because he is a wussie? We all know he is not in charge in the White House; noone needs him in DC. Yo! Cheney! You hear me? Send the chimp!


See, we had this thing, it was called ERA. Women wanted to be treated exactly as men. Now a mother is treated more fairly, its a long drawn out thing to explain. But yes, it's fair. No different than a father going to combat.
 

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Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Originally posted by: nutxo
Yeh well. Ya draw that paycheck forever, sooner or later ya might have to work for it. I doubt the reserves were intentionally designed as a welfare program.

Yeah, Bush sending a mother to Iraq is fair. Why doesn't he go himself and prove he is a real tough guy? Because he is a wussie? We all know he is not in charge in the White House; noone needs him in DC. Yo! Cheney! You hear me? Send the chimp!


See, we had this thing, it was called ERA. Women wanted to be treated exactly as men. Now a mother is treated more fairly, its a long drawn out thing to explain. But yes, it's fair. No different than a father going to combat.

AWOL Bush sends a single mother of three to die for his dad's and Cheney's favorite corporations' profits.
If she dies, each of her children should kill each of the three stooges, Bush 1&2 and Cheney.
 

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
Originally posted by: TheBDB
They certainly can't complain because they did volunteer, but it is also the Army's job to make sure they are trained properly and not put in situations they can't handle.

i laugh at articles like this with such a transparent agenda. and the less than bright that let the media do their thinking for them say"my god they have no training!" all the while not noticing the article was a depiction of a training exercise! ROFL!!!

i guess this is something civilians will never understand, all the training in the world is a total different ballgame than the real thing...the only thing that makes effective combat soldiers is having the discipline the training gives you then being combat.

4 days of training, a warm good luck, a picture of AWOL Bush the chimp...and here they go...good morning Iraq!
Do they at least receive a few shares of Halliburton?
 

b0mbrman

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I think that's the best thing about having a completely volunteer army. Nonsensical arguments like this just get thrown to the curb :)
 

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You know what's really sad. Is that a 30 year old mother of three with 4 days of training is 10x the soldier any cheese eating surrender monkey Frog ever dreamed of being.
 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Originally posted by: nutxo
Yeh well. Ya draw that paycheck forever, sooner or later ya might have to work for it. I doubt the reserves were intentionally designed as a welfare program.

Yeah, Bush sending a mother to Iraq is fair. Why doesn't he go himself and prove he is a real tough guy? Because he is a wussie? We all know he is not in charge in the White House; noone needs him in DC. Yo! Cheney! You hear me? Send the chimp!


See, we had this thing, it was called ERA. Women wanted to be treated exactly as men. Now a mother is treated more fairly, its a long drawn out thing to explain. But yes, it's fair. No different than a father going to combat.

AWOL Bush sends a single mother of three to die for his dad's and Cheney's favorite corporations' profits.
If she dies, each of her children should kill each of the three stooges, Bush 1&2 and Cheney.


Youre funny as hell, you raise a stink because of people dying and then you post trash like this. Single mother has nothing to do with anything , she tool the money for YEARS knowing full well she could be sent to war. I blame the Iraq war on the french. If they hadnt been buying illegal oil maybe the UN economic sanctions woudl have driven hussien out of power.

You see? People dying in Iraq is your fault, not ours.
 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Heartless republican fanatics approve the destruction of the US American family.

Dont change the subject. Weve just determined thats its the frogs that caused the death of 1000's of innocent Iraqies and many American soldiers and is now endangering single mothers.

 

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Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Heartless republican fanatics approve the destruction of the US American family.
Situationally inept French fanatics approve of allowing qualified nutcases such as yourself access to a computer. Disgusting, I say.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Heartless republican fanatics approve the destruction of the US American family by an AWOL chimp.
When is New York getting nuked again Schitzho Nitczho? Time has almost run out for your impeccable sources...
 

b0mbrman

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BTW, don't forget that these mothers volunteered to join the Army. Would you support a law that prohibits females from joining the military?
 

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Heartless republican fanatics approve the destruction of the US American family by an AWOL chimp.
When is New York getting nuked again Schitzho Nitczho? Time has almost run out for your impeccable sources...

My source was the major newspaper of the chimp's ally Silvio il mafioso.
Sta minghia!
 

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Heartless republican fanatics approve the destruction of the US American family by an AWOL chimp.
When is New York getting nuked again Schitzho Nitczho? Time has almost run out for your impeccable sources...
Tomorrow, right? I can't remember what frogman or his "reliable sources" claim.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: burnedout
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Heartless republican fanatics approve the destruction of the US American family by an AWOL chimp.
When is New York getting nuked again Schitzho Nitczho? Time has almost run out for your impeccable sources...
Tomorrow, right? I can't remember what frogman or his "reliable sources" claim.

Is it tommorow already? Oh teh Noess Mr.Bill - guess I don't have to show up to work then - better make the best of the day I have left - no?

CkG
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Heartless republican fanatics approve the destruction of the US American family by an AWOL chimp.
When is New York getting nuked again Schitzho Nitczho? Time has almost run out for your impeccable sources...

My source was the major newspaper of the chimp's ally Silvio il mafioso.
Sta minghia!

And confirmed by Debka.com! And I quote YOU:


The site reporting this italian article is from israel, and agrees with me in its conclusion....

All these articles come from serious newspapers.

Your own words. Tuesday is 35 days. Are you backtracking now?


Is it tommorow already?
Actually, Tuesday, unless I did my math wrong. I think I might have allowed 1 day margin. I'll be making a post on Tuesday. It will probably get locked ;)
 

SuperTool

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The problem is they are in Iraq for a reason that has been shown to be a falsehood. But I guess when they signed up they took a risk of having an imbecile president who would press them into service for BS reasons. At the same time I feel sorry for them. They signed up to train to be called up in case of emergency, and got called up to serve in a totally elective and unnecessary war.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
The problem is they are in Iraq for a reason that has been shown to be a falsehood. But I guess when they signed up they took a risk of having an imbecile president who would press them into service for BS reasons. At the same time I feel sorry for them. They signed up to train to be called up in case of emergency, and got called up to serve in a totally elective and unnecessary war.

Gee ST I guess that is what they signed up for. Our soldiers now are supposed to politically interpret each command and see if a preponderance of the community agrees with the order. Sounds like typical liberal Kerry-speak.

"I will vote for the use of authorization of force, but if you use it in a fashion I disagree with, well, then I am against it!"

It's funny how pervasive, and how unoriginal the bush bashing has come.