Built-in Navi versus Portable GPS

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spidey07

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Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
no car picked yet....but will narrow it to either lexus, acura or infiniti.

Then you're going to want to get the incar system as there are TONS of added features other than just navigation. So much so that the actual navigation aspect is probably only 10% of what it can do.
 

vi edit

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Originally posted by: jtvang125
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: jamesave
Does the portable GPS makes thieves break into the car more than the built in ones?

I guess of all the things I could steal, a device that's sole purpose is to tell you exactly where you are would probably be at the bottom of list.

You're not thinking like a thief. Here's what probably going on in the mind of one:

1. Is it an easy target? (Smash and grab)
2. Is it easy to sell? (On the street or in a pawn shop)
3. Is there a demand for it?

Most people mount their units on the left side by the pillar or in the center of the dash. Very easy places to get to by just smashing the window. A unit installed in the dash takes a lot more work to remove so the risks of getting caught is greater. But if they really want it they will get it.

See bolded items. I'm pretty sure that you can track back to where a GPS unit is by serial number/identifier of sorts. I'd imagine that any pawn shop or "whole sale buyer" would be aware of that and avoid them.
 

vi edit

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
no car picked yet....but will narrow it to either lexus, acura or infiniti.

Then you're going to want to get the incar system as there are TONS of added features other than just navigation. So much so that the actual navigation aspect is probably only 10% of what it can do.

Meh. I'd rather have simply dials/knobs for my HVAC controls. Trying to do that crap on a computer screen requires me to take eyes off the road.
 

Pantoot

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
no car picked yet....but will narrow it to either lexus, acura or infiniti.

I have a TL and the NAVI is one of the best out there. I would recommend going to the dealership and asking the sales monkey to let you play with the NAVI units during a test drive.

Seconded.

I've used quite a few nav systems, both factory installed and after market, and the Honda/Acura system is easily one of the best. It is definitely the best of the factory installed systems.

Great interface, easy to use, clear directions, and can be used at any time, not just when the car is in park.

Agreed, we got the Nav in my wife's Honda Ody and thought it would be a novelty...it really comes in handy, and is very useful to answer the "are we there yet?"
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
no car picked yet....but will narrow it to either lexus, acura or infiniti.

Then you're going to want to get the incar system as there are TONS of added features other than just navigation. So much so that the actual navigation aspect is probably only 10% of what it can do.

Meh. I'd rather have simply dials/knobs for my HVAC controls. Trying to do that crap on a computer screen requires me to take eyes off the road.

All voice controled!
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: jamesave
Does the portable GPS makes thieves break into the car more than the built in ones?

Portable ones are easier to steal. The Garmin Nuvi 680 is about the size of a Treo (a little bigger), but can slip in a coat pocket easily, so it's no hassle to pop it off the mount and take it with you, or else just toss it in the glove box or under your seat.
 

rh71

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Been thinking about this too... the navi in the car I want is $1900 but it also has real-time traffic information (do handhelds have this?). Also, ordering the navi option widens the screen about 2 inches. Without it, the screen is almost square and looks very dated... not something I want in a brand new car.

But of course the more practical thing to do is to get the handheld (use it anywhere, not just while you're in that specific car). Not for me though.
 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
Originally posted by: Kaido
Portable systems have always seemed far better to me than in-car systems. If you're going to drop some change on a GPS, buy a Garmin Nuvi 680 and accessorize it:

Garmin Nuvi 680 - $639
Lifetme MSN Direct Service - $130
InvisibleShield - $17 (for the touchscreen)
2gb SD Card - $34
Friction Mount - $27 (or a vent mount off ebay)

That's about $850. Typical in-car navigation systems run at least $1,000 on average. Spend the savings on a nice stereo receiver with front-input so you can run the GPS's voice system and MP3 player on your car speakers :D

Awesome Kaido. Exactly the kind of info I need. I knew ATOT would deliver.

Let me save you some big bucks.

Staples has 2gb PNY SD cards on sale this week for $19.99+ tax. ;)
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
Originally posted by: Kaido
Portable systems have always seemed far better to me than in-car systems. If you're going to drop some change on a GPS, buy a Garmin Nuvi 680 and accessorize it:

Garmin Nuvi 680 - $639
Lifetme MSN Direct Service - $130
InvisibleShield - $17 (for the touchscreen)
2gb SD Card - $34
Friction Mount - $27 (or a vent mount off ebay)

That's about $850. Typical in-car navigation systems run at least $1,000 on average. Spend the savings on a nice stereo receiver with front-input so you can run the GPS's voice system and MP3 player on your car speakers :D

Awesome Kaido. Exactly the kind of info I need. I knew ATOT would deliver.

Let me save you some big bucks.

Staples has 2gb PNY SD cards on sale this week for $19.99+ tax. ;)

Uh-oh, looks like Rossman has some competition :laugh:
 

nweaver

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The nice thing about a portable, as mentioned, is travel. I travel, and get rentals all the time. Having turn by turn instructions in a city I've never been in to a location I've never been too is VERY nice. It's also great for finding something to eat, stores, etc while traveling.
 

Descartes

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I have a 535i and opted for the Nuvi instead of the in-dash. I travel a lot for business and pleasure, and I would be lost in every sense of the word without my Nuvi. I wouldn't want to invest in an in-dash and a Nuvi, so Nuvi it is.

To answer someone else that asked, you can get real-time traffic info with Garmin (probably with other units, but I haven't checked) through MSN Direct.
 

eleison

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Originally posted by: nweaver
The nice thing about a portable, as mentioned, is travel. I travel, and get rentals all the time. Having turn by turn instructions in a city I've never been in to a location I've never been too is VERY nice. It's also great for finding something to eat, stores, etc while traveling.



In addition resale value of cars with in-dash navigation is lower. Besides, with portable units newer technology is easier to update - just buy a new unit.

As a matter of fact, if you bought a car with in-dash gps last year, your unit is already obsolete. Newer gps units have better chips (e.g., SiRFstarIII). You can now drive around tall buildings and not lose signal..
 

SoulAssassin

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: jtvang125
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: jamesave
Does the portable GPS makes thieves break into the car more than the built in ones?

I guess of all the things I could steal, a device that's sole purpose is to tell you exactly where you are would probably be at the bottom of list.

You're not thinking like a thief. Here's what probably going on in the mind of one:

1. Is it an easy target? (Smash and grab)
2. Is it easy to sell? (On the street or in a pawn shop)
3. Is there a demand for it?

Most people mount their units on the left side by the pillar or in the center of the dash. Very easy places to get to by just smashing the window. A unit installed in the dash takes a lot more work to remove so the risks of getting caught is greater. But if they really want it they will get it.

See bolded items. I'm pretty sure that you can track back to where a GPS unit is by serial number/identifier of sorts. I'd imagine that any pawn shop or "whole sale buyer" would be aware of that and avoid them.

It's a receiver only, if there was a way to track them I would have serious privacy concerns.
 

nweaver

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Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: jtvang125
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: jamesave
Does the portable GPS makes thieves break into the car more than the built in ones?

I guess of all the things I could steal, a device that's sole purpose is to tell you exactly where you are would probably be at the bottom of list.

You're not thinking like a thief. Here's what probably going on in the mind of one:

1. Is it an easy target? (Smash and grab)
2. Is it easy to sell? (On the street or in a pawn shop)
3. Is there a demand for it?

Most people mount their units on the left side by the pillar or in the center of the dash. Very easy places to get to by just smashing the window. A unit installed in the dash takes a lot more work to remove so the risks of getting caught is greater. But if they really want it they will get it.

See bolded items. I'm pretty sure that you can track back to where a GPS unit is by serial number/identifier of sorts. I'd imagine that any pawn shop or "whole sale buyer" would be aware of that and avoid them.

It's a receiver only, if there was a way to track them I would have serious privacy concerns.

Don't worry, we don't need a GPS to track you....turn left here...I mean ooops, ignore us voices in your head.
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: Kaido
Uh-oh, looks like Rossman has some competition :laugh:

You mean someone else can browse Slickdeals and Fatwallet too? :p
 

SoulAssassin

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Originally posted by: nweaver
Don't worry, we don't need a GPS to track you....turn left here...I mean ooops, ignore us voices in your head.

I'm the guy doing 150mph backwards down a residential street throwing babies out of the window and running over puppies from what I hear.

 

jagec

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Originally posted by: Kaido
(2D/3D maps, turn-by-turn voice directions, custom POIs)
-Huge, bright, sunlight-readble 4.3" widescreen - easy to fiddle with and see
-MP3/Audiobook playback & SD card support - nice convenience
-Easy to update over USB port
-Lightweight, easy to carry around
My Mio does all that for $150-200.

Plus I can (have) hacked it to play movies, run other programs, and download topo/satellite maps for backcountry trekking. I'm still trying to figure out if I can somehow connect a USB wireless card and get internet on it.
 

UNCjigga

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VZNavigator / TeleNav GPS on your phone FTW!!!

- Maps and POI database updated quarterly
- Live traffic info and intelligent routing around traffic (available now on TeleNav, coming soon to VZNavigator)
- Take it with you anywhere (even as a pedestrian)
- Assisted GPS is more accurate and faster than standalone GPS.
 

syee

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Got the Nuvi 360 - $400 shipped from PC Nation. Works pretty good. Was using it while I was trying to navigate around Hawaii 2 weeks ago.

I'd go for the portable one simply for the fact that the only time I'd REALLY need Navi is when I'm out of town. Most of those trips are for business where I won't have my car. As a result, having Navi in my car won't do me an ounce of good. :D I know my home town well enough that I can get around without navigation.

I also love the "Detour" feature on the Nuvi - a few times I've been stuck in traffic jams and I've eyeballed the next exit and used the detour function to get my way around the jam.

Anyways, the pros:
*Portable so you can take it wherever you want.
*Updateable for relatively low cost.

Cons:
*Portable so the nearest crack head will probably bust into your car and steal it. You pretty much have to put it away every time you get out of your car (GPS unit AND mount) if you go portable.

With the built in, you don't have to fear someone stealing it...although there's other pros and cons to built in too.
 

jtvang125

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Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: jtvang125
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: jamesave
Does the portable GPS makes thieves break into the car more than the built in ones?

I guess of all the things I could steal, a device that's sole purpose is to tell you exactly where you are would probably be at the bottom of list.

You're not thinking like a thief. Here's what probably going on in the mind of one:

1. Is it an easy target? (Smash and grab)
2. Is it easy to sell? (On the street or in a pawn shop)
3. Is there a demand for it?

Most people mount their units on the left side by the pillar or in the center of the dash. Very easy places to get to by just smashing the window. A unit installed in the dash takes a lot more work to remove so the risks of getting caught is greater. But if they really want it they will get it.

See bolded items. I'm pretty sure that you can track back to where a GPS unit is by serial number/identifier of sorts. I'd imagine that any pawn shop or "whole sale buyer" would be aware of that and avoid them.

It's a receiver only, if there was a way to track them I would have serious privacy concerns.

Yes these gps units can only receive so there's no tracking ability. The only way to probably trace the unit is the serial # but no cop is going to go out looking for this device with that particular serial #. However if they arrest a guy and he had in possesion this gps unit with the same serial # they'll know who to return it to if you ever report it stolen.
 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
Originally posted by: Kaido
Uh-oh, looks like Rossman has some competition :laugh:

You mean someone else can browse Slickdeals and Fatwallet too? :p

Or read the Staples ad when they arrive in the newspaper.
 

Synomenon

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If you're gonna use it for in car navigation only, I'd go with the StreetPilot c580 over the Nuvi. The c580 has an anti-glare screen and the speaker on it is much better than the one in the Nuvi 680. If you have an auxiliary jack in your car stereo though (for plugging mp3 players, etc. in) then the speaker issue doesn't matter since both have an audio out jack.
 

thomsbrain

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most portables still need to be updated via expensive DVD's and computer connections. you will get a much more usable screen, less clutter, less hassle, and better integrated operation with a built-in. but you will save vast amounts of money by going portable. in my case, i got a REAL portable, that I can hike with, mountain bike with, drop-kick, submerge, etc. It also does auto-nav, but with memory limited to one large metro area (NorCal, for instance). Those functions were more appealing to me than the auto-nav advantages of the built-ins, and for far less money. So I didn't bother trying to find a car with Nav built-in.
 

RichieZ

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Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: nweaver
The nice thing about a portable, as mentioned, is travel. I travel, and get rentals all the time. Having turn by turn instructions in a city I've never been in to a location I've never been too is VERY nice. It's also great for finding something to eat, stores, etc while traveling.



In addition resale value of cars with in-dash navigation is lower. Besides, with portable units newer technology is easier to update - just buy a new unit.

As a matter of fact, if you bought a car with in-dash gps last year, your unit is already obsolete. Newer gps units have better chips (e.g., SiRFstarIII). You can now drive around tall buildings and not lose signal..

yea too bad built in GPS are integrated with the compass and the speedometer, the GPS in a 04 Lexus is still better than the garmin nuvi i have.
 

Judgement

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A close friend bought a new Acura with indash GPS and it's freaking awesome, not to mention he uses the same indash display to control his XM radio. It's not cheap but it's pretty freakin sweet.