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Denchea

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This is a gaming Rig or at least it's suppose to be trying to get as much gaming dollar for $900 and lower, right not now I'm just building a computer to start me off then hopefully add to it later. Making it the great gaming rig need it to be later I'm working with a 10 year old computer right now and I mostly play mmo's and fps ... so my goal is to play AION , WOW, AND TF2 at max settings

So an idea of where Im at right now and what I can do to improve would be helpful
~Thx in advance




Antec Twelve Hundred ATX Gaming Case
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Seagate Technology Barracuda 500GB 7,200RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
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Intel Corporation Core i7 920 Processor Boxed
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Asus Computer International P6T X58 1366 ATX Motherboard
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Visiontek Radeon HD 4650 1024MB GDDR2 PCIe Graphics Card
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Lunyone

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Okay first off, your selections are not what I'd call a gaming system. The i7 920 is one of the best CPU's you can get right now, especially if you can get it for the ~$200 price at Microcenter (walk-in price). The 4650 GPU is totally wrong for a gaming system. It can help in gaming, but it's not what I'd call a gaming GPU.
Here are some questions/concerns:
* What resolution are you going to be gaming under?
* What parts are you bringing into this build? I don't see a DVD drive? or an OS?
* You should be getting 6 gb's of DDR3 with an i7 build, since you could take advantage of the triple channel option that the i7 has.
* Why are you considering buying "Open Box" items? They don't usually come with all of the cables (mobo's) and/or manuals/Driver CD's.
* The Antec 1200 is a good case, but there are other options that can do the job well and cost you less. Cooler Master 690 comes to mind. It's usually around $80 and comes with 3 big fans included!!
* I would be looking at a 4890 1gb GPU or possibly the 5850 GPU when it comes out. The 4650 GPU isn't a "Gaming" GPU per se.
* The Corsair 750tx is a good PSU, but you don't need that much power for your system. A quality 500w PSU is all that you should ever need. I like the Corsair 550vx or even the Corsair 650tx if you like Corsair PSU's. Others to consider are the Antec New TP-550/TP-650 PSU's (they are partially modular too!). Even Seasonic and PCP&C PSU's will do quite well also, so you can look into those also.
* Are you going to buy all of your parts in a local Microcenter??
 
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Denchea

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Originally posted by: Lunyone
Okay first off, your selections are not what I'd call a gaming system. The i7 920 is one of the best CPU's you can get right now, especially if you can get it for the ~$200 price at Microcenter (walk-in price). The 4650 GPU is totally wrong for a gaming system. It can help in gaming, but it's not what I'd call a gaming GPU.
Here are some questions/concerns:

* What resolution are you going to be gaming under?

1600x1200

* What parts are you bringing into this build? I don't see a DVD drive? or an OS?

I have xp home was gonna use that until windows 7 came out, and forgot to add a dvd drive


* You should be getting 6 gb's of DDR3 with an i7 build, since you could take advantage of the triple channel option that the i7 has.

Ok this i wasn't aware of this helps me out greatly thanks


* Why are you considering buying "Open Box" items? They don't usually come with all of the cables (mobo's) and/or manuals/Driver CD's.

to be honest I was trying to save as much money as possible i just want a computer that can play the games i want smoothly for now and as time goes by i can slowly add to it. Turning it into a high end gaming machine in the next 3 to 6 month, right now i'm using a 10 yr old computer. Which now is only good for old games and web browsing, also i have the opportunity to upgrade so I'm trying to take advantage of it.

* The Antec 1200 is a good case, but there are other options that can do the job well and cost you less. Cooler Master 690 comes to mind. It's usually around $80 and comes with 3 big fans included!!

If there is any thing cheaper and is just as good i would love to know, my intent was to overclock if possible to get more of my desired result. If that was gonna be sooner rather than later as i put more or better parts into it was a different story.

* I would be looking at a 4890 1gb GPU or possibly the 5850 GPU when it comes out. The 4650 GPU isn't a "Gaming" GPU per se.

Yea it was another sacrifice in the name of price it was gonna be one first things I was gonna replace and take that card putting it into an older machine


* The Corsair 750tx is a good PSU, but you don't need that much power for your system. A quality 500w PSU is all that you should ever need. I like the Corsair 550vx or even the Corsair 650tx if you like Corsair PSU's. Others to consider are the Antec New TP-550/TP-650 PSU's (they are partially modular too!). Even Seasonic and PCP&C PSU's will do quite well also, so you can look into those also.


I picked that Corsair cause i know it's a good psu, and figured it would be helpful when i decided to add more/more powerful parts into my machine the last time a built a computer was like 6 years ago and it seems a lot has changed so whether or not a psu like that is necessary I'm not to sure. but I don't think I need 2 gpu's in my computer unless there is a huge benefit to it.


* Are you going to buy all of your parts in a local Microcenter??

That was the plan, I was getting the I7 920 there, so I figured it was just up the street from i might as well pick up every thing else there also their prices didn't seem bad and alos for the sake of convince but i was rather a better prices above all else. Also mail in rebate feel like false truth's to me but i will deal with them if I have to



I'm really trying to Spend $800-$900 with good enough reasoning maybe $1000 all I want is a solid gaming machine
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Yeah, i don't know about an open box mobo. Open box case? maybe. But not a mobo.

I'd definitely drop down to a ~650w PSU from Corsair, Antec, PCP&C or Seasonic (in no particular order).

Definitely, the RAM needs to be in multiples of 3GB. 6GB is the sweet spot.

For the case, the Antec 300 is a solid choice, I think it's around $50. You lose one front fan, and one rear fan. Otherwise the CM 690 as mentioned is very good. And on the real budget, but good side is the CM 3XX series like 335, 355, etc, which are all available at Microcenter.

For the GPU, I'd go with at *least* a 4850. 4870 better, 4890 even better still. The GPU is going to be the limiting factor in most games. If you really can't squeeze one of them into the budget, I'd highly suggest dropping to a i5 750 or i7 860 which will knock $50-100 bucks off of the mobo/RAM which you can then use to pick up one of those cards.
 
Lunyone

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Originally posted by: elconejito
Yeah, i don't know about an open box mobo. Open box case? maybe. But not a mobo.

I'd definitely drop down to a ~650w PSU from Corsair, Antec, PCP&C or Seasonic (in no particular order).

Definitely, the RAM needs to be in multiples of 3GB. 6GB is the sweet spot.

For the case, the Antec 300 is a solid choice, I think it's around $50. You lose one front fan, and one rear fan. Otherwise the CM 690 as mentioned is very good. And on the real budget, but good side is the CM 3XX series like 335, 355, etc, which are all available at Microcenter.

For the GPU, I'd go with at *least* a 4850. 4870 better, 4890 even better still. The GPU is going to be the limiting factor in most games. If you really can't squeeze one of them into the budget, I'd highly suggest dropping to a i5 750 or i7 860 which will knock $50-100 bucks off of the mobo/RAM which you can then use to pick up one of those cards.
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That is pretty much what I'd consider, especially since your on a tighter budget. An i7 920 is a nice chip to have, especially since you would be getting it for ~$200 at Microcenter!! If your not gaming much on the 4650 than it'll work. Just remember that at 1600 x 1200 resolution you will need a decent GPU to have good FPS, the 4650 will do basic stuff. Than, like you said, you'll just upgrade the GPU down the road and get a killer GPU to go with your system.
 
zerogear

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Why not get a Phenom II instead and use that money towards a better graphics card? Considering its a gaming system, i7 isn't really necessary (read: unnecessary).
 
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ScorcherDarkly

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Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
i7 920
5870
DDR3 1333 CL6 - read why low CL helps not with average fps but your minimums; as in, keeps them from dropping lower than with a CL8
Asrock X58 Extreme - read - the 169$ price tag isn't so extreme and Anandtech gives it a good rating.
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5870 and budget do not belong in the same sentence. Case in point:

CPU - $200
GPU - $379
RAM - $153 (the only 6GB kit I could find on Newegg that fit your specs = http://www.newegg.com/Product/...?Item=N82E16820226032)
Mobo - $169

Total = $901, before tax and/or shipping
Budget = $900
Yet to buy - Case, PSU, OS, Hard drive, DVD.

Maybe you're wanting him to have his hamster provide the power for the machine? Obviously 920 + 5870 is the best way to go, but not everyone can afford it.

 
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Lifer
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Thank you for the constructive suggestion :)

OP - my 'New Platform' in my sig was roughly a little over 500. If you re-use some of your old parts and settle with a 4890 or 4870 that would leave you roughly around 200$ to play with for a PSU and possibly a new case.

Good Luck!
 
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Lifer
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Originally posted by: gwarren007
Why not an I5 build? Fits better into you budget and the two drawbacks are no HT and no triple channel memory.
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Another good suggestion!

Also the X4 AMD 965 is a good chip to work around.
 
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Denchea

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Sep 28, 2009
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Ok i Tried to take in every thing you guys said and came up with this



OCZ Platinum 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3P1600LV6GK - Retail
Item #: N82E16820227381
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy Price: $144.99





Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V Ver.2.2 / EPS12V version 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified ... -
Item #: N82E16817371015
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

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Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811129042
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy



Combo Price: $124.94
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MSI N260GTX-T2D896-OCv3 GeForce GTX 260 896MB DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814127426
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy

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MSI X58M LGA 1366 Intel X58 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813130227
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy


Combo Price: $309.98
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Intel Corporation Core i7 920 Processor Boxed
SKU: 930933

Price: $199.99


Noctua NH-C12P 120mm SSO CPU Cooler - Retail
Item #: N82E16835608001

Price: $62.99

If you can suggest a cooler that is a lil cheaper please do
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Samsung OEM Super-WriteMaster Dual/Double Layer 22x DVD±RW Burner OEM
SKU: 933051

Price: $24.99





TOTAL:910.09



Have a Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600JS 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5 that I'm reusing as my hard drive


THX FOR ALL YOUR HELP SO FAR GUYS

 
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alyarb

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definitely do the i5. You don't need tri-channel RAM or hyperthreading for longevity in games. Just 3.6 GHz, which is practically a shoe-in. The important thing is that you get a 5850 or 5870.
 
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betasub

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Originally posted by: alyarb
definitely do the i5. You don't need tri-channel RAM or hyperthreading for longevity in games. Just 3.6 GHz, which is practically a shoe-in. The important thing is that you get a 5850 or 5870.
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This, if you can find the parts at near your $900 budget. 5850 may require waiting a few days, but should be your best buy GPU.
 
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