Building an Everyday Simple PC

threeseat

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Hello everybody,

I would like to get my parents a new computer sometime in the near future, and I'd really like to build it. Their current computer is mind numbingly slow and horribly inefficient.

I know custom built PCs are usually the way to go for gaming...my uncle built one for me about seven years ago, and it ran great for a solid three to four years (couple hardware problems, but nothing major). Basically, it took a lot longer to go fully obsolete then most pre-built computers. It made more sense economically too, at least from a gaming computer aspect.

My question...is it logical to build a computer that will be used for only low level things (email, Internet browsing, and Microsoft Office mostly)? I know companies like HP and Dell sell basic PCs for less then $400 which will get the job done. I'd really like to build this though! I'm in computer engineering, and I have an interest in this stuff too...

I guess what I'll really need is to know whether or not I can expect to build a PC from scratch (case, CPU, RAM, hdd, OS, etc. Nothing too flashy, but still a respectable machine) on a budget...less then $500 if possible.

If not, I may just go with a pre-built model...they work, and cash is tight being a college student lol.

I appreciate any comments or input...thanks!! :D
 

tynopik

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$32 APEX SK-393-C Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154109

$40 Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033

$20 G.SKILL Value 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231423

$100 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

$52 Intel Celeron G530 Sandy Bridge 2.4GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116409

$43 JetWay JTI61M5 LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153232

$170 OCZ Agility 3 180GB (SandForce SF-2281)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227789

$457 total (after rebates)

disable sleep mode and power saving to avoid issues with the SSD. Done.
 

Ken g6

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I suggest pre-built: the OEMs get Windows at a major discount. Plus, you won't have to be your parents' tech support person.
 

Topweasel

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Hello everybody,

I would like to get my parents a new computer sometime in the near future, and I'd really like to build it. Their current computer is mind numbingly slow and horribly inefficient.

I know custom built PCs are usually the way to go for gaming...my uncle built one for me about seven years ago, and it ran great for a solid three to four years (couple hardware problems, but nothing major). Basically, it took a lot longer to go fully obsolete then most pre-built computers. It made more sense economically too, at least from a gaming computer aspect.

My question...is it logical to build a computer that will be used for only low level things (email, Internet browsing, and Microsoft Office mostly)? I know companies like HP and Dell sell basic PCs for less then $400 which will get the job done. I'd really like to build this though! I'm in computer engineering, and I have an interest in this stuff too...

I guess what I'll really need is to know whether or not I can expect to build a PC from scratch (case, CPU, RAM, hdd, OS, etc. Nothing too flashy, but still a respectable machine) on a budget...less then $500 if possible.

If not, I may just go with a pre-built model...they work, and cash is tight being a college student lol.

I appreciate any comments or input...thanks!! :D

Problem isn't even performance. It's hard to spec out a decent machine in terms of reliability for less then $500. Though it is possible. I skimped on the case and PSU (though its still a seasonic) through in a 128GB SSD, which I feel is needed more then capacity. They can toture Windows for years and will still feel snappy on with a Good SSD. The CPU was a dual core SB Pentium. They are surprisingly snappy CPU's but DC is DC. Also with Windows license.

Ended up at $550. Could do some stuff (like remove the SSD and go HDD). If you want a full list PM me your address and I can forward the list which I will save for now, but other people will probably chime in with some ideas of their own.

Basically, it seems possible, and might be really viable if you watch for deals. It probably isn't as good a machine as you can get from an OEM. But like you said it can be highly upgradable and maintainable. But you are about at the cut off point. Try pushing it down farther and you end up with something you probably are putting new devices in next year.
 

piasabird

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Some people might prefer a slightly faster processor.

Must have obligatory "Use the i-5 2500k"!

I think Dell is pusing the vostro 260 or something similar.
 

Topweasel

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Code:
$32 APEX SK-393-C Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154109

$40 Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033

$20 G.SKILL Value 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231423

$100 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

$52 Intel Celeron G530 Sandy Bridge 2.4GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116409

$43 JetWay JTI61M5 LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153232

$170 OCZ Agility 3 180GB (SandForce SF-2281)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227789

$457 total (after rebates)

disable sleep mode and power saving to avoid issues with the SSD. Done.
I would just tell him to get a Samsung 830 or Crucial M4 over telling them to disable sleep on a computer that is probably going to be used in spurts. Not only that but I don't know if putting a buggy part in a system you are giving to someone is a good idea.

Also would recommend if you have to support it a jetway mobo. Seems better spend the exta $15 and save a million headaches and calls.
 

tynopik

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I would just tell him to get a Samsung 830 or Crucial M4 over telling them to disable sleep on a computer that is probably going to be used in spurts. Not only that but I don't know if putting a buggy part in a system you are giving to someone is a good idea.

idle power consumption is so low it doesn't really matter

also, all products have bugs

but yes, you could switch to the 120gb samsung 830 for the same price if you don't mind losing 60gb
 

Binky

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The specs listed above are a decent starting point. From granny/gramp's perspective, the computer will be extremely fast.

Suggestions - Ditch the SSD and use a small HD (320gb maybe). I'd also use an H61/H67 MB from Asrock before I'd use Jetway. Since 8GB of memory is only about $15 more than 4GB, it's an easy upgrade to suggest.
 

Topweasel

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idle power consumption is so low it doesn't really matter

also, all products have bugs

but yes, you could switch to the 120gb samsung 830 for the same price if you don't mind losing 60gb

Most products have quirks. Not known issues for 2 years or so where using function that has existed in Windows for over a decade kills the drive type of bug. No amount of space should worth putting that kind of product in your computer, even if you don't plan on using that function.
 

mfenn

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IMHO Dell Outlet Optiplex machines are a great way to go for basic PCs. They start at ~$400 for basic specs (read, good enough for grandpa) and, because they're Optiplexes, come with 3yr next business day onsite service standard. If a part goes out, you don't have to worry about shipment or anything like that, a dude just shows up next day with a new part.
 

tynopik

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may also want to include this

Code:
$18 ASUS 24X DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

and upgrade to this

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$38 G.SKILL Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422

that puts you at $493
 

thelastjuju

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Just remember you can save $250-300 right off the bat just by reusing three parts:

> Previous Operating System
> Previous Hard Drive
> Previous MS Office suite

If all you are going to do is browse the web, check email, and run very lightweight apps..

$50 Intel G530 processor - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116409

$55 Asrock mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157241

$20 Crucial 4gb ram - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148346

$40 Antec 430w green psu- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371034

$50 case of your choice

= $215

Then you can either:

$0 - reuse previous operating system and ms office, or spend $200
$0 - reuse previous hard drive, or spend $80 on a new SSD drive..
$0 - reuse previous keyboard and mouse, or spend $25 on new combo.
$0 - reuse previous dvd drive, or spend $25 on new one.

=

$545 ..

.. I actually think unless you are reusing those main parts you ARE better off going with an entry level Dell. :whiste:
 
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thelastjuju

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Actually I think that board's entire selection is pretty limited.. it doesn't even have a PCI port :whiste: .. and of course they phased out IDE, which I wish they would keep for lower end boards more likely to re-use old parts.

But you could always substitute for brand preferences or board layouts.

I just hate the thought of having to drop $200 to reinstall windows and ms office if you can reuse them.. so definitely take advantage of any student discounts out there.
 

Binky

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the ssd will have the biggest impact on their subjective experience

i would strongly recommend keeping it if possible
Although your point is true, they would never notice or care. The cost isn't justified.

Would you put an OCZ Sandforce SSD in your grandma's computer? I wouldn't.
 

tynopik

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Although your point is true, they would never notice or care. The cost isn't justified.

completely disagree. they're the type to get a computer loaded down with spyware and other assorted nonsense

such junk will absolutely kill a system with a regular hd while an ssd will keep it chugging at a servicable speed

having dealt with plenty of 'old people computers' trust me on this

Would you put an OCZ Sandforce SSD in your grandma's computer? I wouldn't.

I would

But if you don't feel comfortable with that, I offered the 128gb samsung alternative
 

dealcorn

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My impression is that Microsoft's recent licensing terms do not look favorably on recycling Windows licenses from one computer to another. Whether it is prudent to steer your parents towards something illegal is a personal judgment call.
 

threeseat

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This is all great everyone...thanks!

I actually learned that I'm able to get Windows 7 and MS Office for pretty inexpensive actually through a company im interning at, so that won't be too bad...yeah, im not comfortable with reusing the OS like that either.

I think a regular HDD will suit them fine. Thats what I have in my laptop and my own PC, and I have no problem with the performance personally, so i doubt they would either.

I dont know much about CPUs or mobos, so I'll use your suggestions and pick which seems best and do some research on my own. I have keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc. so those peripherals arent adding to the cost.

I'll probably start looking to jump on supplies as the go on sale through newegg...but i might not actually finish until the holiday season (present it as a Christmas gift)...but ill keep this thread up to date as I assemble it. I really want to do this for my parents, plus it would be really enjoyable for me too!

Thanks so much.
 

tynopik

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I think a regular HDD will suit them fine. Thats what I have in my laptop and my own PC, and I have no problem with the performance personally, so i doubt they would either.

You also know that you don't want Bonzai Buddy and no you really don't want every stupid searchbar and yes you're positive Comet Cursor isn't for you.

Trust me, SSD is even more critical for non-tech-savvy people
 

mfenn

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My impression is that Microsoft's recent licensing terms do not look favorably on recycling Windows licenses from one computer to another. Whether it is prudent to steer your parents towards something illegal is a personal judgment call.

It completely depends on what version of Windows you get. Retail licenses can be transferred around all day.

You also know that you don't want Bonzai Buddy and no you really don't want every stupid searchbar and yes you're positive Comet Cursor isn't for you.

Trust me, SSD is even more critical for non-tech-savvy people

This is a hardware solution to a software problem. The real answer is to set them up with a normal user account and hold onto the admin password yourself. Use some remote access software to do maintenance and software installs every so often.
 

tynopik

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This is a hardware solution to a software problem.

it's all about what works


The real answer is to set them up with a normal user account and hold onto the admin password yourself. Use some remote access software to do maintenance and software installs every so often.

not always possible and/or desirable
 

wirednuts

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yeah screw vnc'ing into sluggish systems to do updates. thats what i do for my parents, and just those two pc's alone is a PAIN IN THE ASS to keep running at optimal speeds.

you arent going to change their behavior either. in this case, throwing faster hardware to solve a stupid software problem really is the best thing to do. in fact, i have made my parents buy entirely new computers twice already just so i can save myself time when i go to work on them. i always tell them "you dont need it faster, i do"
 

mfenn

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yeah screw vnc'ing into sluggish systems to do updates. thats what i do for my parents, and just those two pc's alone is a PAIN IN THE ASS to keep running at optimal speeds.

you arent going to change their behavior either. in this case, throwing faster hardware to solve a stupid software problem really is the best thing to do. in fact, i have made my parents buy entirely new computers twice already just so i can save myself time when i go to work on them. i always tell them "you dont need it faster, i do"

not always possible and/or desirable

I see that you both missed the critical part of my statement. "The real answer is to set them up with a normal user account and hold onto the admin password yourself." Their PC can't get sluggish in the first place if you don't let them install shit. How often do typical users install software after the first week of having a PC? It's usually something along the lines of once every 3-6 months.
 

tynopik

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I see that you both missed the critical part of my statement. "The real answer is to set them up with a normal user account and hold onto the admin password yourself."

nope, that wasn't was part of the 'not always possible and/or desirable'

often they'll 'need' to do something that requires admin access, saying they have to call you up every time they want to install the latest game isn't going to fly

How often do typical users install software after the first week of having a PC? It's usually something along the lines of once every 3-6 months.

You've obviously never dealt with this class of user