Building an Entertainment Rig

BlakkIce

Golden Member
Jun 29, 2001
1,073
0
0
im going to be getting a P4 2.0GHZ heres whati plan to do with it give me suggestions

P4 2.0 ghz
512 RDRam
radon 8500DV
15 gig for OS - Windows XP Professional
(2) 60 gig Raided - storage
Pioneer 16dvd
Pioneer DVD-R
wireless keyboard and mouse

any other ideas or comments
 

TunaBoo

Diamond Member
May 6, 2001
3,280
0
0




<< im going to be getting a P4 2.0GHZ heres whati plan to do with it give me suggestions

P4 2.0 ghz
512 RDRam
>>



Um. What are you doing that a Athlon won't do? You are spending a LOT more money. If you need the speed, go for it. If you want 2 GHz so your dingy feels bigger, reconsider.



<<
radon 8500DV
>>


A Geforce 3 spanks it in every single test and has much better driver support. NO reason to get a radeon 8500, its a poor choice.



<<
15 gig for OS - Windows XP Professional
>>


Go for a 20 gig IBM Deskstar 60GXP, and throw some games on there.




<<
(2) 60 gig Raided - storage
>>


Yah we can argue all day. If that is raid 1, then good choice. If it is raid 0, NO bad choice. Storage would NO WAY IN HECK for the average person require raid 0 speed, but it DOES need raid 1 reliability.



<<
Pioneer 16dvd
Pioneer DVD-R
>>


Hum so apparently budget is no option. Maybe stick with the intel card, but consider a geforce 3 titanium when it comes out.



<<
wireless keyboard and mouse
>>



both are okay for surfing, but if you want to play games you do NOT want them. Wireless technology is not advanced to compute with a good mousing system. I personally use a logitech optical wheelman on a ps/2 port at 200hz. Best all around mousing IMHO.
 

Ender

Golden Member
Jul 24, 2001
1,694
0
0
Entertainment.. very vague there. Care to explain what type of entertainment? I assume you have the speakers and moniter?

As with TunaBoo, I would change the P4 and RDRAM choice, with a up-coming palomino 1.53ghz choice and switch the DVD-R and spend that and the extras you save on buying the Palomino and get 2 (With the money you saved, you prolly could get two) XL-36LP 36 Gig Cheetahs =P. DVD-R's are a waste, from what I see they cost crazy amounts ($799 US?! Can we say RIP, no pun intended :p) and don't give anything over normal CD-Burners except 8 times more storage data, at 8 times the time it takes to burn as well, plus costs more then a regular CD (I heard DVD Discs cost $15 each??).

Everything seems fine, but are Radeon DV's AIW's as well? Either way I would still more likely get the Geforce 3 Ti 500 unless you'll use all the AIW/DV's features which still will costs about $100 more then a Ti 500.
 

TunaBoo

Diamond Member
May 6, 2001
3,280
0
0


<< Entertainment.. very vague there. Care to explain what type of entertainment? I assume you have the speakers and moniter?

As with TunaBoo, I would change the P4 and RDRAM choice, with a up-coming palomino 1.53ghz choice and switch the DVD-R and spend that and the extras you save on buying the Palomino and get 2 (With the money you saved, you prolly could get two) XL-36LP 36 Gig Cheetahs =P. DVD-R's are a waste, from what I see they cost crazy amounts ($799 US?! Can we say RIP, no pun intended :p) and don't give anything over normal CD-Burners except 8 times more storage data, at 8 times the time it takes to burn as well, plus costs more then a regular CD (I heard DVD Discs cost $15 each??).

Everything seems fine, but are Radeon DV's AIW's as well? Either way I would still more likely get the Geforce 3 Ti 500 unless you'll use all the AIW/DV's features which still will costs about $100 more then a Ti 500.
>>



For $50 you can get the external box deal (wish I kenw name :) ) and turn a gf3 into a "all in wonder" and still wind up cheaper.
 

Ender

Golden Member
Jul 24, 2001
1,694
0
0


<< Personal Cinema is compatible with all current NVIDIA GPUs, including:


GeForce3,
GeForce2 Ultra,
GeForce2 Pro,
GeForce2 GTS,
and all GeForce2 MX GPUs.
>>



The Radeon 8500 kicks Geforce 3's booty. I doubt he would want to go backwards in technology unless they frogot to or haven't mentioned the Ti 500?

Btw, this add-on costs $50 US I assume?
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
24,195
857
126
Contrary to what TunaBoo says, RAID would come in handy for an entertainment box!
1. Radeon 8500DV is a DIGITAL VIDEO BEAST! DV editing requires HUGE amounts of FAST storage to edit in real time. The PVR functions of the Radeon 8500DV will certainly make use of this as will almost any firewire device (Other than storage). But once finished & compressed, I wouldn't recommend leaving them on a RAID0 unless you want to risk loosing all that work (a 2xRAID0 is 2x more likely to fail).
2. It's an ENTERTAINMENT PC. No one's worried about loosing data on the RAIDed drives if all that's installed/stored can be re-installed (Or re-recorded). After all, who wouldn't want the extra few sconds to stock up on ammo before everyone else in Quake3 Arena?

So I would still recommend a larger primary drive or a backup drive. RAID0+1 is handy, but DV types would rather have the quad-speed temporary "work-in-progress" storage benefit in that situation anyway. If the awesome DV features don't appeal as much, I'd recommend an nVidia product with the Personal Cinema device. It can still perform Personal Video Recorder functions such as pausing/recording live TV, & it uses the exact same tuner as previous ATI products (Not that it was that great). It may be compatible with all nVidia GPUs, but NOT will all cards using nVidia GPUs! There needs to be a certain "ViVo" (Video In Video Out) interfact on the card it's self.

Oh yeah, & we all know DV applications are the P4's specialties. Athlon may be great, but Flash w/ SSE2 WhiPS! I still can't belive Intel claims a processor can "speed up streaming media" but nVidia's claims about their integrated LAN cutting serious download times have substance.

One more thing about RAID, someone told me that WinXP Pro doesn't support software RAIDing of drives like NT, & that you need the server version or RAID hardware, but I'm running XP Pro & I see the options for RAIDing (Follow Tom's Hardware's latest guides on this for Win2K). This method is incapable of RAIDing the boot drive because the RAID is handled by the OS, but it's perfectly suitable for your situation AND you won't have to wait for extra hardware to detect the drives & crap at boot-up like a RAID card.

About the wireless acessories, it's like TunaBoo says: DON'T get a wireless keyboard unless you mean "Entertainment PC"as in a "WebTV PC" because you will kick yourself when it comes to playing games. There will soon be an awesome wireless optical mouse that solves the problems that typical optical mice have regarding gaming performance. It may be pricey, but the Wireless Intellimouse Explorer is not just faster than the other Explorer models, but it's the fastest optical mouse in existance. I hear it scans 8,000 times a second, which deoesn't exactly translate to DPI measurements, but I'd say it's damn near Razor Mouse DPI with Intellimouse comfort & wireless convienience! I heard a release date of September 25th, but MS is "announcing" it at their WindowsXP release "parties" so I expect that info to be wrong. It'll be soon anyway...

I'll be editing this post to add more input soon, but GTG....
 

TunaBoo

Diamond Member
May 6, 2001
3,280
0
0


<<

<< Personal Cinema is compatible with all current NVIDIA GPUs, including:


GeForce3,
GeForce2 Ultra,
GeForce2 Pro,
GeForce2 GTS,
and all GeForce2 MX GPUs.
>>



The Radeon 8500 kicks Geforce 3's booty. I doubt he would want to go backwards in technology unless they frogot to or haven't mentioned the Ti 500?

Btw, this add-on costs $50 US I assume?
>>



Yah GF3 vs Radeon 8500. GF3 will be 20% faster. Show me becnhmarks that prove otherwise.

Oh, and try to use a ATI card in win2k. Oh right.. have their features dont work? errrrrrrrrrrrrr
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
24,195
857
126
Ohhh... Forgot about that issue... WindowsXP will be using the 2K drivers! Hopefully they'll do something about it now that NT/2K/XP is a consumer OS...
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
24,195
857
126
Yeah, we know:


<< WindowsXP will be using the 2K drivers! >>


But the issue is with the loss of functionality that the Win2K drivers have compared with the 9x/ME drivers.
Many features are unavailable.
 

urameatball

Platinum Member
Jan 19, 2001
2,770
0
0
you might wanna watch out with ATI cards and winXP.
driver compatibility being main issue here... I saw a warning on winXP somewhere that ATI cards are supported too well.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
24,195
857
126
ATI may just redeem themselves in this feild with the Radeon 8500 after all the attention Detonator4 drivers are getting.
 

BlakkIce

Golden Member
Jun 29, 2001
1,073
0
0
thanks for all the feedback on this and here are my responces

P4 2.0 ghz = $200 im getting it from intel chips and tips training next month u have to work for one of the major computer stores to attend

Hard drive sizes this computer is mearly for entertainment meaning i want to use it as a Tivo to record TV and movies =120gig raided

Graphics Card i have a dual processor w/ a GF3 for games

Radon 8500 - its all in one it has everything i need to be entertained I.E on board Firewire/ dual video output TV and moniter

Speakers - this will be hooked up to my 500watt pioneer 6.1 digital surround system which have 2 12in cerwin vega fronts 2 8in CW rear 15in Sub and center

i think thats it

 

nicowju

Diamond Member
Jan 30, 2001
3,880
0
76
Instead of the 2 RAID 0'ed 60GB drives, how about 2 100GB 7200RPM or 2 80GB 7200RPM Western Digitals? I'm doing the same, and I just got an 80GB 7200RPM WD to go with my existing 2x45GB 7200RPM HD's. Also, you can't go wrong with either the Radeon 8500 or the GF3 Titanium (probably, anyway)... but that NVidia Personal Cinema looks really sweet :)

Oh, and nothing is wrong with wireless keyboard or mice. I use a wireless keyboard for my gaming and have no problems whatsoever
 

majewski9

Platinum Member
Jun 26, 2001
2,060
0
0
Yes Radeon 8500 DV is the ultimate vid card in my mind! Has anyone seen pricing for this card?

Go to Ati.com and see the DV vs Personal cinema it is clear choice in my mind.
 

BlakkIce

Golden Member
Jun 29, 2001
1,073
0
0
welli already got the 60 gig drives so i was saving the money i may get a 100 gig just for archiving movies i watch frequently
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
24,195
857
126
That would be a good idea because the RAID is *NOT* suitable for storage unless you buy extra drives to mirror the RAID with. Once shows/movies are encoded & compressed, you could then archive them all on the 100GB drive (1 DVD RIP can be around 8GB, & require around 20GB before the final 600MB movie is finished & archived & the RAID really would come in handy)
 

TunaBoo

Diamond Member
May 6, 2001
3,280
0
0
Yo ucan do as many drives as you want, but you NEVER raid0 a drive you want to use for movie storage. If anything, JBAD or whatever it.
 

BlakkIce

Golden Member
Jun 29, 2001
1,073
0
0
im not getting Raped with prices hehe i work for CompUSA and BestBuy hehehe so i get cost on everything like 512mb of memory at cost is 23 bucks hahahaha i love being me
 

TunaBoo

Diamond Member
May 6, 2001
3,280
0
0


<< im not getting Raped with prices hehe i work for CompUSA and BestBuy hehehe so i get cost on everything like 512mb of memory at cost is 23 bucks hahahaha i love being me >>



He works for COMPUSSR and worstbuy.

That explains his choice of a ATI vid card and an intel proc...........

(Funny to people who get it)
 

Rickten

Golden Member
Apr 17, 2001
1,607
0
0


<< both are okay for surfing, but if you want to play games you do NOT want them. Wireless technology is not advanced to compute with a good mousing system. I personally use a logitech optical wheelman on a ps/2 port at 200hz. Best all around mousing IMHO. >>



Go wireless it works great for games. I have the logitech wireless keyboard and mouse, NEVER had a problem with counter strike, max payne, starcraft, quake 3, diablo 2. Just to name a few. YOu can still bump the refresh up to 200hz. In my opinion go with cordless you will wonder why you didn't already.





<< 512mb of memory at cost is 23 bucks hahahaha >>



what kind of ram is that though. PNY???. personally I would rather have crucial, mushkin, micron.